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Stupid Parents + Stupid Kids (at The Movies)

Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:46 pm

Ok..so I went to see the new Batman movie "The Dark Knight" last night, which BTW is freaking awesome! Heath Ledger's Joker is so disturbing and psychotic..wow!

Anyway..this clearly is not a movie for kids (even though its got Batman and things blowing up). The theater was packed, and there were quite a few kids around (<10 yo). Most of them started screaming at some point in the movie when things got disturbing. So my question is WTF were they doing there in the first place?! Why oh why do those stupid parents have to bring kids to a movie which is clearly not meant for them?! The story, dialogue, and many parts of the movie cannot be understood by someone who is 10..hence my rant. Why do these stupid parents bring kids to these movies?

This is not the only instance though....I've seen kids in movies like Rambo (WTF?!!..how the hell did the theatre staff even allow kids in the first place?!) and Crash.

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Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:25 pm

I realize this makes me sound like an old person, but when I was a kid the realm of what was considered "kid friendly" or "kid appropriate" was much, much smaller.

These days parents 1) don't want to pay for babysitters if they can help it and 2) want to continue the freedoms they enjoyed as kidless people, so they tow their kids everywhere.

Personally, my rant is when kids are brought to expensive restaurants. You are paying for an experience as much as the food, and having a kid screaming and squealing and running in the aisle next to you as you eat your $35 tenderloin isn't exactly ambiance.
 
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:36 am



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 1):
Personally, my rant is when kids are brought to expensive restaurants. You are paying for an experience as much as the food, and having a kid screaming and squealing and running in the aisle next to you as you eat your $35 tenderloin isn't exactly ambiance.

That really really fucks me off!

Went to a pretty high end restaurant in Sydney a year or so back, went with a close friend as a gift was a $350 meal and there was a family there with little kids and everything i couldn't believe it, and the ladie was winging cause the 2/3 year old girl wanted nuggets and chips. Felt like saying go to fucking Mc Donald's not here. Then the kids screamed and cried the whole way through the meal, the waiters ended up asking them to leave because there were so many complaints. The kids were running riot, it was quite surreal.


Movie wise, always see it. 5 year old's going to MA movies, how they manage to get in is beyond me. Then parents winge because it was too violent.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:38 am



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 2):
That really really fucks me off!



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 2):
Felt like saying go to fucking Mc

dude. Watch your language....
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:17 am



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 2):
the waiters ended up asking them to leave because there were so many complaints.

Bravo to them for having the balls to do so. That would never happen here.
 
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:28 am

My grandparents routinely took me out to very nice restaurants when I was growing up. Dining room at NYAC and Tavern on the Green as two examples. Often we ate with their adult friends. They never had any problems with me and taught me how to behave properly. Now my sister didn't get that experience as much because she was not as well behaved. I have no problem with young children at restaurants if they are well behaved.

As for the movie theatre. Babies should NEVER be allowed in. Toddlers in childrens movies only kids under 13. If they get fussy or noisy they should be removed from the theatre until they are ready to come back in. Anything R rated or starting after 8pm should be adults and older teens only.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:07 am

Well, I think all of the movies I have gone to either have little kids screaming their lungs and vocal cords out...or you have the 16-18 year olds that act like little kids. Some days I just want to get up and scream "shut up so I can watch the damn movie!"

High-end restaurants I never saw children in. I have been to a few snazzy places, and I have never seen a child misbehave. I guess because most of the patrons at said restaurants are over 40.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:19 pm



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 5):
My grandparents routinely took me out to very nice restaurants when I was growing up. Dining room at NYAC and Tavern on the Green as two examples. Often we ate with their adult friends. They never had any problems with me and taught me how to behave properly.

I have no problem with children who are well behaved and quiet. The problem is that more and more parents have no discretion about whether their children are up for the task.

I have a friend who has twin toddlers and absolutely will not take them anywhere that has white tablecloths (not that all nice restaurants have white tablecloths, but that is one place she draws the line). She loves her kids and they're great overall, but they are absolutely not up for being in a fine dining environment and she knows it.

She pretty much limits it to places that have the paper place mats that are changed out with every guest (as her sort of guide).

Even in casual places, there are many parents who give their children too much freedom. They don't even understand how dangerous it could be. A child was recently burned in an Asian restaurant because he (she?) was running in the aisle and bumped into a server carrying a soup pot.

As for the movies, I have some friends who have taken to going to the drive-in instead of a regular theater. That way if the kids cry, nobody can hear them in the car, and the kids can fall asleep comfortably during the film.
 
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:27 pm



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
A child was recently burned in an Asian restaurant because he (she?) was running in the aisle and bumped into a server carrying a soup pot.

Parents sue for the child's emotional distress, restaurant shuts down, cycle repeats again.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:55 pm



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
I have some friends who have taken to going to the drive-in instead of a regular theater.

Not necessarily an option here in the northeast; most drive-in theaters that once existed are now long gone (a few were replaced with higher-priced multi-screen theaters).

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 4):
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 2):
the waiters ended up asking them to leave because there were so many complaints.

Bravo to them for having the balls to do so. That would never happen here.

Unless they were on a WN or FL flight. Big grin

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 7):
I have no problem with children who are well behaved and quiet. The problem is that more and more parents have no discretion about whether their children are up for the task.

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Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 5):
As for the movie theatre. Babies should NEVER be allowed in. Toddlers in childrens movies only kids under 13. If they get fussy or noisy they should be removed from the theatre until they are ready to come back in. Anything R rated or starting after 8pm should be adults and older teens only.

I believe that many movie theaters (again, I'm using the northeastern region of the U.S. as a reference) have since imposed additional restrictions (beyond the basic ratings guide/code) regarding babies & children being present at movies (or at least certain ones) after 6 or 8 PM.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:05 pm

Last week a woman sitting in front of me to me was escorted out during a 10pm showing Wall-E (10pm!!) beacuse her 1 month baby kept crying.

She bitched and moan to the usher that she should be allowed to stay. In the end the whole theater was booing at her as she walked out.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:07 pm



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Anyway..this clearly is not a movie for kids (even though its got Batman and things blowing up). The theater was packed, and there were quite a few kids around (<10 yo).

I was with my wife (sans daughter) at the Family Guy Live show. This is a show where the whole cast (including Mila Kunis  drool  ) reads out an episode in front of a live audience. The show had been explicitly billed as adult-oriented, and when the cast saw that there were kids in the show, they didn't hold back. Some parents had to do a lot of explaining to their children regarding human anatomy on the ride home, I would suspect.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 1):
Personally, my rant is when kids are brought to expensive restaurants. You are paying for an experience as much as the food, and having a kid screaming and squealing and running in the aisle next to you as you eat your $35 tenderloin isn't exactly ambiance.



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 2):
That really really fucks me off!

I dunno, my daughter is extremely good in restaurants. We've had her in white tablecloth restaurants and she's been very civil. She's 11 months old...it just depends upon the kid.

That being said, if we know she's antsy/frustrated, we won't take her. We'll try to go to some place less classy if we have to go out.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:23 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
We've had her in white tablecloth restaurants and she's been very civil. She's 11 months old...it just depends upon the kid.

Well see - i know i am just being faecitious here, but.. some parents who think their kids are a angels, they dont realize that not everyone sees them as such.

I have asked my friends to what extent they are able to tune-out the babies cries, and the say that there comes a point where they dont care about the noise anymore.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:45 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 12):
Well see - i know i am just being faecitious here, but.. some parents who think their kids are a angels, they dont realize that not everyone sees them as such.

I understand your point, but if a baby is fed and rested, there's not much more they want.

I suggest you also look at the part where I said if she was being fussy, we wouldn't be there...
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:08 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):
I suggest you also look at the part where I said if she was being fussy, we wouldn't be there...

Thats what i meant by the second part of my post. Your definition of "fussy" might be different that the people next you you.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:11 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 14):
Thats what i meant by the second part of my post. Your definition of "fussy" might be different that the people next you you.

Fussy == unhappy. Capiche? Don't hate on kids just because you are around a few bad ones.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:23 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
Fussy == unhappy. Capiche?

Your definition of "unhappy" might be different from the person sitting next you.

Your kid might be "happily" putting a plate of spaghettis over her head - or laughing loudly during Schindler's List.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
Don't hate on kids just because you are around a few bad ones.

I certainly dont hate kids, but there are appropriate times and places for them and parents should realize that.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:28 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
Your definition of "unhappy" might be different from the person sitting next you.

Your kid might be "happily" putting a plate of spaghettis over her head - or laughing loudly during Schindler's List.

Well, I certainly wouldn't take her to a movie intended for adults at this stage. But some kids do not do what you're asserting. I am, however, asserting that you are a kid hater.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:33 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
I am, however, asserting that you are a kid hater.

Suuuure... FYI my 2 year old niece is sitting in lap as i am typing this.. she wont leave my ipod alone.. i hate when she does that.

Dont tell my sister i hate kids, she wont let me baby sit anymore.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
Well, I certainly wouldn't take her to a movie intended for adults at this stage.

Goody for you. Why do you take it personally then. I am not calling you a bad parent or your kid a brat.

Im sure you are a great parent, but there are those who are not. Its not all about you.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:35 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
I am, however, asserting that you are a kid hater.

Wow, that's quite a stretch, don't you think?
 
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:39 pm



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 19):
Wow, that's quite a stretch, don't you think?

Its part of the whole "Me and Only Me" culture. He got offended. We have become a culture that we believe that the world revolves around us and only us and we are teaching our children to be the same way, fostering a sense of entitlement.

"I have the right to bring 2month old Suzie to a 10pm show"
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:42 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 20):
"I have the right to bring 2month old Suzie to a 10pm show"

I would never take my daughter to a 10pm show. It just seems that you were asserting that kids never belong, where as I believe they can be brought to certain places (restaurants) if they are well-behaved. If they are not well-behaved, then they do not get to come, simple as that.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:46 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 21):
It just seems that you were asserting that kids never belong, where as I believe they can be brought to certain places (restaurants) if they are well-behaved. If they are not well-behaved, then they do not get to come, simple as that.

Well there is got to be a happy medium somewhere. What I was saying is that parents should be at least conscious of the fact they are bringing the kid into an environment that is not specifically for kids. If they can make it work, that great. But they should be prepared to be understanding about the rest of the people.
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 10):
Last week a woman sitting in front of me to me was escorted out during a 10pm showing Wall-E (10pm!!) beacuse her 1 month baby kept crying.

She bitched and moan to the usher that she should be allowed to stay. In the end the whole theater was booing at her as she walked out.

The sense of entitlement in the US in just crazy - and the cause of most social ills

We were seeing World Trade Center and someone had their toddler with them and through the first several minutes of the movie, this kid was crying and screaming and someone finally said "Would you please take you kid out of here?!?!?!" and the women then got up and left with her kid. Why on earth would you take your toddler to see a movie like World Trade Center, I still don't know.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 1):
These days parents 1) don't want to pay for babysitters if they can help it and 2) want to continue the freedoms they enjoyed as kidless people, so they tow their kids everywhere.

My feeling is though that other people around you shouldn't have a bad experience because you're too cheap to pay for a sitter. I have little with screaming kids when people are at places or doing things they have to do (such as flying or if I'm in a casual restaurant) as long as the parents are trying to do something about it and it's not way out of control, but don't bring your kid to the movie theater if he's going to throw a fit.

Funny story (well, sort of) - last week in CVG flying back from Germany, there was a mother and a kid at the gate next to us and as the flight was boarding the kid was screaming "I DON'T WANT TO FLY!!! I DON'T WANT TO FLY!!!" and the mother and the kid walked away from the gate. Not sure what happened - if they caught a later flight or stayed in Cincinnati or what because our flight left soon after that. The way the kid was screaming, I wonder if the flight crew would have even let the kid on the plane.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:20 pm

Working at the cinema I do have to deal with a lot of people complaining about kids, and a lot of people complaining because they feel that their kids should be let in.
Over the last month I have seen:
- Numerous children (often as young as 3) with their parents trying to get into a late showing of a film (anything after 10pm is over 18 only)
- Families complaining because they can't be let into Sex in the City (rated 15)
- Escorting noisy families out
- Had a family with 4 under 6 years olds literally crawling around on the floor, running around not looking and throwing stuff to each other.

And then of course, theres often the mess that the families with young children leave. Why parents can deem themselves responsible parents when they let their delightful young'ns empty entire drinks and boxes of popcorn across the screen I don't know.

Some families don't get me wrong are great. The children are polite, they don't leave a mess and they don;t cause any problems whatsoever, however, these good people are often blurred by the problematic people.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:56 pm



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 5):
As for the movie theatre. Babies should NEVER be allowed in.

In Norway, some cinemas have what they call baby-showings or something like that. This is where they encourage parents with babies to come and see movies (they show all movies). The lights are not completely dimmed and the sound isn't on full, so it is more baby-friendly. But, this is a good way to get parents that have babies, but still want to see movies, to go to a viewing where the occasional crying is accepted.

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Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:36 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 23):
and the mother and the kid walked away from the gate.

God bless her for doing something.
 
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:08 pm

Maybe some theatres could have a kids play area like my gym does. Kids can play and watch kid friendly movies while the parents enjoy more grown up fare. They could impose a small fee for this.
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:14 pm

N38KTF: You'll notice that I didn't say that I had a problem with the mere presence of a child at the next table over. I said I had a problem with children screaming, squealing and running around.

I think you have misunderstood this.
 
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The great thing about my theater is if you are a club member (does not cost anything to be one), you can request this device that has 3 buttons on it. The first button is to single the front desk that the screen is not lined up. The second button is for audio not working or not lined up right with the mouths. The third and most important button, the one that indicates kids are being too loud, adults are being too loud, or the one that happens on the time, cell phones going off. If you go to the front desk and ask for it, they give you a certificate for a free small pop corn and small coke. They only allow two per theater but it is great! We have a huge theater of 21 screens that are all in stadium seating. So they need all the help they can get with keeping people in line.
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Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:11 pm



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
So my question is WTF were they doing there in the first place?!

I hear that. I too saw Batman and had young kids directly behind me.

I have kids and know what a challenge it can be to keep them quiet. I can understand the accusation of being selfish when you have some kid around you in a restaurant, but I’m tired of derelict parents that lack any discipline in their kids. Batman was TOTALLY inappropriate for younger kids. Totally not cool. And when I go to the movies, which is rare, I don’t want people on the phone, texting, the glow of their phones all over the place, kids kicking seats, talking incessantly, people whispering, etc. The movies have become sadly the ground zero of bad manners in our society these days.
 
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:43 am



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 1):

Personally, my rant is when kids are brought to expensive restaurants. You are paying for an experience as much as the food, and having a kid screaming and squealing and running in the aisle next to you as you eat your $35 tenderloin isn't exactly ambiance.

That's why on special events, I insist on going to the restaurant with the $75 plates-any kid that you find there is more likely to be well behaved. When I was growing up, my Mom and Dad had a membership at the tennis club-the most exclusive club in Georgia. They (my parents) did not put up with bad behavior and insisted that we were properly dressed-dress shirts and slacks at a minimum, ties and coats preferred for evening meals there or Sunday brunch. To be honest, the club maintained quite a formal image-members were billed monthly (no cash handled) and even the grill cook and steward tending the hamburger stand that served the pool and courts in summer were sharply dressed-clean black slacks, starch white dress shirts and black bow ties.
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Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:44 pm

It's all about parental respect...I'm not stupid enough to think that my 2 1/2 year old will be able to sit still and keep quiet for 1-2 hours, so yes, if he gets bored and starts acting up, I'll take him out to walk around and get out some energy.

Now - if I'm in the situation where I wouldn't want to be interrupted, such as during a movie I want to see, or during a nice dinner, I have to put up with the fact that I'll need to wait to do these things until we can get a sitter for the night.

Some people are just addicted to the 'I want it now' syndrome.

PS - I remember way back when, my co-worker's son convinced him that the South Park movie was appropriate (it's animated after all)! He was 8. It wasn't too long before he said Ooooooookay, we're outta here....much to his son's protests.

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Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:50 pm



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 31):
That's why on special events, I insist on going to the restaurant with the $75 plates-any kid that you find there is more likely to be well behaved. When I was growing up, my Mom and Dad had a membership at the tennis club-the most exclusive club in Georgia. They (my parents) did not put up with bad behavior and insisted that we were properly dressed-dress shirts and slacks at a minimum, ties and coats preferred for evening meals there or Sunday brunch. To be honest, the club maintained quite a formal image-members were billed monthly (no cash handled) and even the grill cook and steward tending the hamburger stand that served the pool and courts in summer were sharply dressed-clean black slacks, starch white dress shirts and black bow ties.

Having money or being exclusive hardly means that bad behavior doesn't happen. You can put lipstick on a pig or dress it up in black slacks, a starched white dress shirt, and a black bow tie and it's still a pig. Look at the examples of people in First/Business on flights doing things like defecating on drink carts. Sorry, but money does not buy manners.

My personal gripe is badly behaved kids at sporting events. Those who know me know I'm a rabid baseball fan and am blessed to live in a city that is in close proximity to two minor league teams, the Carolina Mudcats and the Durham Bulls. Going to games as often as I do I've come across some just poorly behaved kids with parents who do nothing to curb behavior and, in fact, encourage it. A few gems:

Coming back from the concession stand with two slices of pizza, two hot dogs, and two drinks, I'm doing my best not to drop anything. Child comes zooming through on those heelie shoes and very nearly bowls me over. Parents are right behind and offer no apology nor admonition to the kid.

In the stands one time, my girlfriend's seat keeps getting kicked by the kid behind her. I turn towards the mother and ask her if she could stop her child from doing that. Her response? "The game's getting boring and he's just full of energy."

Another time I put down my scorebook for a second and a child drops ice cream on it. I hadn't noticed and the father taps me on the shoulder. "She dropped some ice cream on your book." No apology, no offer of a few dollars to help pay for a new one, nothing.

Let's just say that when there's a Cub Scout Night or anything similar geared towards kids I do my best to avoid the game those nights! By no means am I anti-child, but for better or for worse I hold other children to the same standards that my Dad held me to - he loved taking me to baseball games and I knew that meant being well-behaved - not running through the stands, not kicking people's seats, and not being loud and uncontrollable. Am I a fuddy-duddy at the ripe old age of 26?
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