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Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:13 pm

The Pope should be flying to Australia for the WYD 2008 next week. Does anybody know any details on airlines (down to Australia probably AZ), aircraft types and routes?

Thanks a lot
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:29 pm



Quoting UndaMaris (Thread starter):

My guess would be a B777 just like his trip to the US... Route ..non-stop Rome to wherever in Australia
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:52 pm

The Pope will fly with an Alitalia B777, but I don't know the details.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:17 pm

He always takes Alitalia to his destinations, why do you think he kisses the ground when he gets there???

Normally he takes a local airline on the way back to Rome.
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Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:42 pm

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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:58 pm

He leaves FCO on saturday the 12th to DRW where is expected to land on the 13th.

13 Jul Arrive.
10.30 Departure to Richmond (Sydney).
15.00 Arrive at Richmond (Sydney) (RAAF Military Air Base).

On July the 21st STD-DRW at 10.00
At 13.50 landing at DRW.
15.05 Departure from DRW.
23.00 Arrive at CIA.
 
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:09 pm

I wish I had legroom like that when I'm flying.
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:14 pm



Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
I wish I had legroom like that when I'm flying

Such legroom comes at a cost! Just look how far he has to reach for a magazine
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:05 pm

Can the 772ER fly FCO-DRW route nonstop?
I think the pax load will be light, but the route is quite long.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:14 pm

A BA 777-200ER flew Prime Minister Blair from Brussels nonstop to Melbourne for an event after an EC meeting in Brussels. IT was 18 hours, so Rome to Sydney with a light load should be possible. Alitalia's 777 are GE powered, among the most powerful, so I would be surprised if teh plane did stop. Its capable to fly to Asutralia nonstop.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:19 pm



Quoting Ba1978 (Reply 8):

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
I wish I had legroom like that when I'm flying

Such legroom comes at a cost! Just look how far he has to reach for a magazine

Almost like walking to the kiosk around the corner. But he can put it on the seat to his right.
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RE: Pope To Australia

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:35 pm

I will try to find out info for this thread just as I did for the Pope's trip to the U.S. My posts will be about his travel in the air and on the ground, not religion.

I wonder if the "Flying PopeMobile" will be that same AZ aircraft with the same cockpit and cabin crew. I am sure they will make some very nice arrangements for him on board. Maybe a bed sort of like in the SQ A380 First Suites.

This is the information I have got for now.

The Pope will depart from Rome's Fiumicino airport at 10 a.m. on Saturday 12 July, landing at 9.15 a.m. (Australian time) at the airport of Darwin/RAAF Military Base. After a brief stopover, his flight will proceed to Sydney's Richmond airport. Having landed there, the Pope will travel to a private residence where he will remain until the morning of Thursday 17 July.

http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=88823

I am sure they will fly the "PopeMobile on Wheels" separately in a different aircraft.

I suppose it will be an airline from Australia taking him back to Rome as to the tradition, although last time it was the Alitalia 777 that carried him both ways.
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RE: Pope To Australia

Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:16 am

I like that Pope. He certainly deserves an SQ A380 style super-suite.

I hope they don't subject him to a Buy On Board menu. However, if they did, I do wonder what His Holiness should choose to partake of?
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:32 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
I am sure they will fly the "PopeMobile on Wheels" separately in a different aircraft.

The PopeMobile has been here for a few days already.
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RE: Pope To Australia

Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:57 am

Can Alitalia charge the Vatican for the equivalent of the full aircraft's usage and back empty (or stationing down under until the return and the return leg, including the lost revenue potential) as if it were filled at the seasonal average load factor?

Or would that be considered State subsidy on the account of the Holy See?  Smile

Either way, seems like Alitalia is going further down under in its books!
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RE: Pope To Australia

Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:35 am



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 15):
Can Alitalia charge the Vatican for the equivalent of the full aircraft's usage and back empty (or stationing down under until the return and the return leg, including the lost revenue potential) as if it were filled at the seasonal average load factor?

Or would that be considered State subsidy on the account of the Holy See? Smile

Either way, seems like Alitalia is going further down under in its books!

On that flight there will be many journalists and they will pay about 6,500 euros to fly on that plane with the Pope to Australia.

On the last trip to the USA, about 70 journalists flew with the Pope and the average ticket was about 3,200 euro.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:51 pm

It is nice to have a reporter on site. Is the PopeMobile on Wheels registered as SCV1?

I went really near that one almost brushed it with the previous Pope inside it several times during WYD in Paris. I was one of the thousands volunteers and was posted at Notre-Dame cathedral.

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 14):
The PopeMobile has been here for a few days already.

I am sure the Vatican owns a fair bit of shares in Alitalia so they would only pay themselves back somehow and then there is the Press that pays for their own transport on the Pope flight.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 15):
Can Alitalia charge the Vatican for the equivalent of the full aircraft's usage and back empty

We still don't know what the Flying PopeMobile is going to be and her reg. number.

Maybe some of you in Sydney will be able to provide us with the latest news and pictures during the event?

Look out for the Tahitians. They put on some really great shows complete with costume and dancers, they are really nice, they like to party and are a lot of good fun to hang around with. I bet you they will be there in good numbers as they are not too far away.
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RE: Pope To Australia

Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:49 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
I suppose it will be an airline from Australia taking him back to Rome as to the tradition, although last time it was the Alitalia 777 that carried him both ways.

Indeed.
I understand it's a Qantas B744ER, operating Sydney-Darwin-Rome.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:34 am



Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 14):
The PopeMobile has been here for a few days already.

But all the World Youth Day (papal visit) posters at the train stations are telling us to leave our cars at home!  Smile
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RE: Pope To Australia

Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:01 pm

Some latest updates on the Pope's visit to Australia.

All set for Sunday's arrivals

POPE BENEDICT will arrive in Australia on Sunday after his longest single world journey.

His Holiness will spend eight days in Australia, five of which will involve World Youth Day activities.

Pope Benedict is scheduled to leave from Rome on Saturday at 10am and will make a journey of more than 15 hours to Darwin. After his plane refuels, His Holiness and the papal entourage - including his master of ceremonies, security staff and media team - will fly to Richmond RAAF base in Sydney, arriving about 3pm.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-you...vals/2008/07/11/1215658101173.html


Pope's Sydney digs unveiled

The retreat caters for as many as 30 guests and features tennis, volleyball and basketball courts and a 25m swimming pool. It also has plenty of room to land the helicopter, which the Pope will use to beat Sydney's traffic later in the week.

While the Pontiff is unlikely to be shooting hoops, he will be able to indulge his love of playing piano and catch glimpses of the Blue Mountains from the many bush trails on the property before beginning his pastoral duties at World Youth Day.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,23974712-5001021,00.html


WYD Means 36 Extra Flights into Sydney

"World Youth Day is bringing international visitors into Sydney in droves," said Chief Operating Officer Danny Casey.

"Our information is that almost every flight into Sydney is fully booked in the lead-up to the event and 36 more flights have had to be added so far.

http://pope2008.typepad.com/weblog/2008/06/wyd-means-36-ex.html


Pilgrims take to the road

IF YOU are wondering where all the World Youth Day pilgrims are, the answer is: everywhere but Sydney. For now, at least.

As the flow of pilgrims into Sydney remained at a trickle, other cities welcomed thousands yesterday. World Youth Day begins officially on Tuesday.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-you...road/2008/07/10/1215658037461.html

EWTN WYD SYD 08 coverage website link

http://www.ewtn.com/wyd2008/index2.asp
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RE: Pope To Australia

Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:42 pm

The Pope will fly on an Alitalia 777 called "Sestriere".

The plane will leave Fiumicino on 12th July at 10AM and will arrive to Richmond Air Force base on 13th July at 3:15 PM, for a flight time of 15 hours and 45 minutes (the flight will be no-stop).
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:05 pm

This is the same aircraft that flew him to Washington D.C. and New York and back to Italy on his last visit to the U.S.

Boeing 777 - MSN 32781
Opérateur Alitalia
Statut : Actif
Immatriculation : EI-DBL
Opérateur Alitalia
Numéro de série 32781 LN:459
Type 777-243ER
Date premier vol 28/10/2003

http://notizie.alice.it/notizie/poli...ra_papa_in_australia,15407058.html

There is some interesting information in this article. I take it from Italian.

On the way to Australia the aircraft will overfly the following countries: Italia, Albania, Grecia, Turchia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailandia, Cambogia, Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia e Indonesia.

The nonstop flight will have a total flying time of 15 hours and 45 minutes. There will be 18 crew members on board. The captain for the flight is Commandante Alfonso Maria Pacini, Alitalia's Flight Operations Director. He totals 12.500 flight hours. This will be his 7th Papal flight.

The Cabin Services Director and flight coordinator will be Giovanni Luigi Romani. He has been a long haul CSD for the last 13 years and this is is 4th Papal flight. As on the other Papal flights the airline will have the honour of bearing the Ponitifical Seal especially dedicated to the Papal flight.

Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 21):
The Pope will fly on an Alitalia 777 called "Sestriere".


Edited to add this link. More information in Italian about the Pope's flight.

http://www.romacittaaperta.net/2008/...icino-volo-alitalia-per-pontefice/

[Edited 2008-07-11 07:10:18]
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:29 am

The flying Popemobile took off from Fiumicino this morning at 10.30. A telegram of best wishes was sent by the Pope to the Italian President and all the Italians shortly before departure. On board with the Pope are the Pontifical delegation and members of the Press.

Let's wish the old Pontiff a very happy time up in the air  airplane   cloudnine  and a safe trip until he lands in Australia.

(ANSA) - ROMA, 12 LUG - Papa Benedetto XVI e' in volo per Sydney, dove presiedera' la 23/ma Giornata della Gioventu'. Il Boeing 777 dell'Alitalia che ospita il pontefice, la delegazione pontificia e la stampa al seguito e' decollato da Fiumicino alle 10,30. Un telegramma di saluto e' stato inviato da Benedetto XVI poco prima della partenza al presidente Napolitano e a tutti gli italiani.
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:58 am



Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
why do you think he kisses the ground when he gets there???

 laughing 

Quoting Ba1978 (Reply 8):
Such legroom comes at a cost! Just look how far he has to reach for a magazine

It comes at a greater cost than that... Does the word celibacy mean anything??  Wink
Just kidding, Actually with the greatest of respect to my catholic brethren i agree wholeheartedly with MadameConcorde...

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Let's wish the old Pontiff a very happy time up in the air and a safe trip until he lands in Australia

Cheers
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:13 am

Pope Benedict did not follow on this one.

This was former Pope John Paul II's way. He always kissed the ground right after he got off a flight in a new country he had never visited before. It must have puzzled a lot of officials I am sure.  Wow!

Quoting Stickers (Reply 24):

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
why do you think he kisses the ground when he gets there???

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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:56 am

i've heard hes flying with EL AL via TLV and on the way back with Emirates via DXB  Smile
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:57 am

From the last news, it seems that there could be the stop in Darwin, but I'm not sure.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:17 pm

Latest (remote) news from the flight. Looks like he held a press conference on board.

Pope expresses worry about climate change

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE - Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday he wants to wake up consciences on climate change during his pilgrimage in Australia.
...
Less than an hour after the pope's flight took off from Rome, Benedict walked back to the section where journalists sat and met with them for about 15 minutes. He called on five journalists to ask questions that had been submitted to the Vatican earlier in the week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080712/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_pope

There is a lot more to read on the linked story.

Flight pre-boarding pictures are here:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Papacy...1/98af4f3f8f9c4dbc99f6b87d1304b4f4
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:53 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
On the way to Australia the aircraft will overfly the following countries: Italia, Albania, Grecia, Turchia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailandia, Cambogia, Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia e Indonesia.

Singapore's a bit of a detour on the most direct route from Rome to Darwin considering they're overflying (southern?) Vietnam...

[Edited 2008-07-12 05:54:04]
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:02 pm

no offence to our Catholic viewers but this gig is an absolute rort, the sooner he leaves Australia the better, $400 million its costing taxpayers and we can't even protest the event.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:18 pm

 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:47 pm



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 30):
no offence to our Catholic viewers but this gig is an absolute rort, the sooner he leaves Australia the better, $400 million its costing taxpayers and we can't even protest the event.

Where did you get the $400m figure from??? The correct figure is around $160m. Check out the following link (or just google world youth day cost):

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...23.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

I am not Catholic and do not agree with the spending of MY tax money to sponsor this event. However, some economists are suggesting that the revenue brought in from the event, combined with the free publicity, will be more than the cost... meaning the World Youth Day could generate a profit. I am skeptical of this, but if it is correct, I say Bring On World Youth Day!!!!
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:03 pm

I loved the article a few weeks ago about the 'brothel bonanza' that Sydney would undergo whilst the event is on.

Might see a mini baby-boom too...  Wink

(aahhh catholic jokes  Smile)
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:06 pm

Also - I bet the Grand Prix that's held in Melbourne - annually - would provide airlines with greater yields and the local state & national economy would receive a greater boost more so than this once off religo-fest ever will and it doesn't cost anywhere near as much to stage either.
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:09 pm

Why does the pope kiss the ground as soon as he lands in another country?

Well wouldnt' you if you'd have just flown Alitalia!
 
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:56 pm

Thanks for posting the video. I love these great big engines! Are these GEs or RRs or maybe P+Ws? How about the flags? I guess the cockpit crew must take them down before take-off?

15 hours nonstop is a heck of a long flight for a 2 engine aircraft. I wonder how much fuel they needed to do the trip?
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:35 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):
How about the flags? I guess the cockpit crew must take them down before take-off?

Yes, the two flags (Italy and Vatican) will be put there when the plane will arrive to Australia. It's a part of the ceremonial.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):
15 hours nonstop is a heck of a long flight for a 2 engine aircraft.

It's the longest flight of Alitalia of all times with a twin-jet.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:15 pm



Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 32):
However, some economists are suggesting that the revenue brought in from the event, combined with the free publicity

some do, some don't...right not the church in Australia needs all the free publicity it can get.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:23 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):
15 hours nonstop is a heck of a long flight for a 2 engine aircraft.

There are several 2-engine flights with block times scheduled for more than 15 hours. A few that come to mind:

CX JFK-HKG (777-300ER) - 15:55
CO EWR-HKG (777-200ER) - 15:50
AC YYZ-HKG (777-200LR) - 15:30
AA DEL-ORD (777-200ER) - 15:25
 
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:31 am

just landed in Darwin.
 
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:10 am

Email from a friend in Sydney. This is his news on the event:

A lot of young people coming in for the youth week. Pope arrives this afternoon. Many are feeling the cold and came with no warm clothes. They are searching for blankets and sweaters to help! Thousands are sleeping at the Olympic park stadiums – glad it’s not me!
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:23 am

Pope arrived in Sydney around 15 mins ago
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:06 am

I like the picture on board the aircraft with the flight map in the background and the Alitalia logo. The old man must be disoriented by the long flight and jet lag.

May he have a happy stay in Sydney with all of his young and less young followers coming from all around the world! Sydney will be filled with a happy spirit all through WYD.

Pope lands in Sydney

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world-you...dney/2008/07/13/1215887421428.html

Pope Benedict XVI has arrived in Sydney for Catholic World Youth Day celebrations.

The 81-year-old Pontiff's plane touched down at Richmond RAAF base, on Sydney's north-western outskirts, at 3pm
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:22 am

Anyone going to ask the Pope to submit a trip report?  Smile

The other day my train carriage was invaded by a large group of happy young Portuguese here for WYD. I was amused because, right at that time, I was reading a short scifi story that dealt with religion as a prion disease (like mad cow).  Smile
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Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:36 am

I bet the Vatican press services and the Pope himself would be happy to see that we are doing a "remote" trip report from Benedict's travels around the world on this famed aviation forum.

Quoting Allrite (Reply 44):
Anyone going to ask the Pope to submit a trip report?

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Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:52 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Let's wish the old Pontiff a very happy time up in the air airplane and a safe trip until he lands in Australia.

I must admit, I am actually also wishing him a safe trip even AFTER he lands in Australia!  Wink

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):


Thanks for posting the video. I love these great big engines! Are these GEs or RRs or maybe P+Ws?

Per Jfk777:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Alitalia's 777 are GE powered,



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 36):
15 hours nonstop is a heck of a long flight for a 2 engine aircraft. I wonder how much fuel they needed to do the trip?

No problem for the 777, remember in 2005 a 777-200LR flew for over 22 hours, setting a new world record.

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Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:13 am

Pope lands in Sydney on schedule

The papal flight carrying Pope Benedict XVI has landed at Richmond RAAF Military Air Base, in Western Sydney.

The Pope arrived about 3pm, after jetting out of Darwin at 10.30am after an 80-minute refuelling stop.

About 50 faithful from local Catholic groups had lined the Darwin RAAF base fence, which borders the Stuart Highway, to welcome the pontiff at 9.10am (CST) on Sunday morning.

Among them was a man dressed as one of the territory's emblems - a crocodile - while others elected for a more traditional welcome of singing and clapping.

http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaust...lands_in_sydney_on_schedule_551670

THE Pope has landed in Sydney, urging action to combat climate change as he begins his historic World Youth Day tour.

The Papal plane sporting Australian and Vatican flags landed at about 3pm at Richmond RAAF Base, where it was met by a a long line of dignitaries including Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,24012632-5001021,00.html

He looks well after his very long flight.

I wonder if there were any Flying Popemobile spotters at Richmond RAAF Military Air Base?

Picture gallery:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap.../0,22056,5033066-5010140-6,00.html

[Edited 2008-07-13 04:23:41]
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RE: Pope To Australia

Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:57 am



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 30):
no offence to our Catholic viewers but this gig is an absolute rort, the sooner he leaves Australia the better, $400 million its costing taxpayers and we can't even protest the event.

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Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:17 pm



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 30):
no offence to our Catholic viewers but this gig is an absolute rort, the sooner he leaves Australia the better, $400 million its costing taxpayers and we can't even protest the event.

It's funny to see somebody unhappy for the "una tantum" gift of 400.000.000 AUD.

Maybe you don't know that Catholic Church cost Italy about € 4.000.000.000 per year.......

And we can't even protest....

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