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Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:53 pm

Swiss police have arrested Moamer Kadhafi's son for assaulting staff in a Swiss HOtel.
Kadhafi junior has had various clashes with police in Paris and London,and his father's reactions have constantly been oner-reaction and despotic.
It's been no secret that the Libyan leader is missing some neurones and is not rendering service to his compatriots by handling politics the way he does.It's time the man goes and hides in his tent and has his camel - milk daiquiri !
I'm not easily opposed to Arab leaders - but Kadhafi is a joke !
Just looking at his face tells you a lot of things about the man's thoughts...


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Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Swiss police have arrested Moamer Kadhafi's son

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The Swiss delegation who went to Tripoli is trying to make some things clear :
> in Switzerland, the judiciary is independent of the political authorities
> there is no "Swiss Police", in this case it was the police and the judiciary of the City of Geneva, which is under the power of the judiciary of the Canton of Geneva. If something goes to court in a Swiss city, town or village it first goes to an ordinary court, in case of an appeal to the Court of Appellation of the Canton in question and in case of a RE-appeal to the Federal Court.
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Right at present, Libya is forcing Swiss companies in Libya to close down, refuses to give Visas to Swiss nationals, has forced Swiss to reduce its flights to Tripoli from three to one per week, has banned ships under Swiss flag from using Libyan seaports and threatens to stop oil-supplies to Switzerland. Whenever many of these measure are to have a backfiring effect with the possibility of Libyan oil getting replaced etc, Switzerland tries to repair the matter and bring relations back on track.
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If Libya however refuses everything, some big Swiss companies might force through counter-measures like freezing Libyan bank accounts in Switzerland and some other such things.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:13 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
If Libya however refuses everything, some big Swiss companies might force through counter-measures like freezing Libyan bank accounts in Switzerland and some other such things.

Is this really a possibility? Surely freezing Libyan assets might echo around the whole of North Africa and the Middle East sending a bad message. Beyond that, surely Swiss banks will not do that for the sake of retaliation?

As for Kadhafi, still an idiot I see.

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Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:15 pm

Kadhafi's sons are (unfortunatelly) well-known in Italy.

My questions is: why Kadhafi's son doens't have any form of diplomatic immunity in Switzerland?
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:24 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
Is this really a possibility? Surely freezing Libyan assets might echo around the whole of North Africa and the Middle East sending a bad message. Beyond that, surely Swiss banks will not do that for the sake of retaliation?

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It indeed IS a possibility, but everything of course is done to avoid anything thelike. The BANKS of course will be AGAINST anything of the kind, much however depends on Nestle and ABB. If however Khaddafi becomes too aggressive, the public mood in Switzerland might become such that harsh countermeasures become unavoidable. The Swiss Foreign Minister WILL act in whatever way she sees as the way to go, as the inaction of the Defence Minister in an affair with the Chief of Staff is threatening the position of that man quite seriously. In Switzerland, the largest party of the country (xenophobe, right-wing, reactionary, isolationist) already accuses the federal government of being unable to govern, so that the situation is rather strange at present.
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:33 pm

But this isn't the son who was traded as a likelysuccessor, and who fell out with his father, because he tried to introduce reforms?
BTW, wasn't there a son as well with an Israeli girlfriend?

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Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:36 pm

That's just sick. Switzerland should just search for new oil suppliers and bring their business to someone else. At the moment 50% of the oil used in Switzerland is from Libya, let's hope it has not a big impact on the country!
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:11 pm

This bafoon is just trying to flex some muscles.

I've said it over and over again - how do countries like Libya expect to be taken seriously by the rest of the world, when they always have to resort to such cheap retaliatory measures?

I just hope the Swiss Govt. keeps its cool and shows Kadhafi how this game is really played.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
At the moment 50% of the oil used in Switzerland is from Libya

What I find 'funny' about this whole situation is that over the past couple of years I've heard many Swiss always bitch about the Americans and how they get their oil from 'friendly" countries like Saudi Arabia. 50% of our oil is being supplied by Libya!? We're not one damn better.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
Switzerland should just search for new oil suppliers and bring their business to someone else.

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Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 3):
My questions is: why Kadhafi's son doens't have any form of diplomatic immunity in Switzerland?

I'm the wrong person to answer this question, but a person that behaves in such a manner does not deserve any kind of immunity. IMO they should send his son's sorry ass to jail and set an example.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:31 pm

The best part of it is that ABB is only half Swiss and quite far from a national company. Having been part of a huge powerstruggle between the ruling Swedish family Wallenberg and a swiss private investor that lasted for several years. In the end the swiss investor got problems with other companies and sold out.

The company itself is a of the merger between Asea and BrownBoveri. Its based in Switzerland due to taxes but keeping the Swedish family Wallenberg (one of Europes most influential industrialists) as the ones pulling the strings.
Its just had a GE executive appointed CEO and the chairman of the board is german man connected with the Wallenberg family.

Being based in Switzerland though my guess is that this will be solved behind closed doors and that all parties will emerge with an extra businessdeal or two.

Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 3):
Kadhafi's sons are (unfortunatelly) well-known in Italy.

Didnt they get involve din football somehow?
One of the sons having Ben Johnson as his personal trainer and trying to secure a shirt in one of the smaller football clubs or something like that?
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:54 pm



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 7):
50% of our oil is being supplied by Libya!?

That's what they said on the news today. What I know is that one of biggest petrol station networks, Tamoil, is receiving the oil from Libya. And if I remember correctly Tamoil has even some strong connections to Kadhafi or his family members.
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Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 8):
The company itself is a of the merger between Asea and BrownBoveri. Its based in Switzerland due to taxes but keeping the Swedish family Wallenberg (one of Europes most influential industrialists) as the ones pulling the strings.
Its just had a GE executive appointed CEO and the chairman of the board is german man connected with the Wallenberg family.

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ABB basically is a Swedish company with its HQ in Switzerland. 50% Swiss owned of course. BUT what counts is that it has a significant influence.
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Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 3):
My questions is: why Kadhafi's son doens't have any form of diplomatic immunity in Switzerland?

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Hannibal Khaddafi is NOT a minister of his country nor a diplomat, but a private person, even if son of a head of state. And so is NOT a person of diplomatic immunity. The Geneva judiciarly therefore treated him as a rich person behaving wrongly.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:28 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
If Libya however refuses everything, some big Swiss companies might force through counter-measures like freezing Libyan bank accounts in Switzerland and some other such things.

Time to put sanctions on them and freeze all Libayan bank accounts. Seems like libya has not learnt how to conduct themselves yet.
 
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:56 pm

I'd like to specify the Libyan leader and his mafia family don't behave correctly- I'd refuse to put a general statement like that to the whole Libyan population...
I've met Libyans who thought their countries leader is a disgrace to their national identity!
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Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:06 pm



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
What I know is that one of biggest petrol station networks, Tamoil, is receiving the oil from Libya. And if I remember correctly Tamoil has even some strong connections to Kadhafi or his family members.

This just gets better and better.  Silly I read somewhere that Libya actually owns a couple of Tamoil tank stations. Can't find the link right now. If this is true, then in the end they will end up harming no one else but themselves.
 
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 12):
the whole Libyan population...
I've met Libyans who

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This exactly is one of the worst aspects. That Libyans not connected to the Khaddafis also will suffer under the developments.
 
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Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
50% of the oil used in Switzerland is from Libya,

They said 20% on SF 10vor10. And the head of the swiss oil comission (?) said that its not going to have any impact on fuel prices.

Khadaffi is such a monkey. I just sicerely hope that next time anybody of his family wants to come to Switzerland, he'll be nicely escorted back to his plane. What an idiot.
 
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:30 am

Kadhafi's son seems to be completely nuts. Some examples of his behaviour in the last months:

-Driving a car in Paris under influence with 140 km/h
-Ignoring red lights while driving, bitching against police (he believes he is a diplomat, but he isn't)
-Beating his pregnant girlfriend
-Major role in French call-girl mafia

Also, the mother of one of the hotel staff, is missing since this case. Since she lived in Libya, I would not be surprised if Kadhafi "helped" a bit.

If you ask me he can take his 20% of oil and Switzerland should just search another supplier.
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:35 am

The whole family is a disgrace to the Arab people in general and will help to re-instate negatives already widely transported on media.
If Arab leaders have any statue ,they should distance themselves from this man,since he does not render their cause any service.He might not be tied to terrorist activities any longer but definitely is a sick man with an even sicker off-spring crowd!
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Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:59 am

Now I again read that in 2006, 48.8% of the oil used in Switzerland, is from Libya. There seems to be a confusion about these numbers. The rest is from Nigeria and Kazachstan.

Also latest news is that the two Swiss arrested in Libya are held in a prison in rooms with 20 others in inacceptable conditions. The hygienic situation is a desaster. Also note that the two Swiss are only accused of minor things, such as problems with visa regulations.

With this unacceptable behaviour, I hope Switzerland will show a strong position and will not excuse for anything. Also Switzerland should think about if and how much business we should do with such countries in future...
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What are the Swiss like? Always getting into unneccessary fights with other countries  Yeah sure






















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Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:28 pm



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
that next time anybody of his family wants to come to Switzerland, he'll be nicely escorted back to his plane.

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you should not generalize. Some of that family are really nice and well-behaved people. That Hannibal is ill-behaving and his father a bit on the mad side should not result in measures against all other members of the family, and neither against all Libyans. Whenever of course, all Libyans may be affected in the end.
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
If Arab leaders have any statue ,they should distance themselves from this man

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most have done so for decades, while at the other hand trying their very best to get ahead with regional co-operation in fields like economy, infrastructure etc in spite of the sporadic fits and outbursts of "dear" Muammar !
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:50 pm

Well, the two Swiss citizens have been released after Switzerland paid CHF9000 for each of the two, while Libya paid half a Million for Khadaffis son. That's probably why Khadaffi was so pissed  rotfl 
 
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Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 7):
What I find 'funny' about this whole situation is that over the past couple of years I've heard many Swiss always bitch about the Americans and how they get their oil from 'friendly" countries like Saudi Arabia. 50% of our oil is being supplied by Libya!? We're not one damn better.

Because it's fashionable in Europe to kick uncle in the shins. It's ever so much easier to have someone to vilify....kinda makes it easier to ignore the messes you've got on hand that are of your own making.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:14 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 22):
Because it's fashionable in Europe to kick

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it simply is NOT about who is "better", but rather who is more important. Switzerland and Libya in worldwide terms are of mediocre relevance, while the USA and Saudi Arabia are of prime relevance in world affairs.
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AND because few people in Switzerland realized A) how much oil Switzerland gets from Libya, B) that a major retail-company (TAMoil) and a major refinery are owned by Libya, and finally C) that the Libyan oil is said to be of a particularily high quality, which together with the logistical advantage is an economic argument
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At present, the two Swiss are in the embassy in Tripoli, the "oil-boycott" apparently is called off, and Swiss diplomats and industry-delegates are working hard on getting things back to normal.
 
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 23):
it simply is NOT about who is "better", but rather who is more important. Switzerland and Libya in worldwide terms are of mediocre relevance, while the USA and Saudi Arabia are of prime relevance in world affairs.

That's not it at all and you know it. Nobody said anything about better or bigger. It's simply a diversion that a lot of you people enjoy...for some a guilty sneaky pleasure, for others an overt outlet for pentup rage and hostility. Kinda like how everyone's bitching about Monsanto the great Satan without really having any idea what they're talking about.

Fact is, my gourmet friend, if one's frame of reference is prejudice, one is bound to be misled in his judgments, don't you think?
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:30 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 22):

Because it's fashionable in Europe to kick uncle in the shins. It's ever so much easier to have someone to vilify....kinda makes it easier to ignore the messes you've got on hand that are of your own making.

 Yeah sure Yawn...
 
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:18 pm



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 25):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 22):

Because it's fashionable in Europe to kick uncle in the shins. It's ever so much easier to have someone to vilify....kinda makes it easier to ignore the messes you've got on hand that are of your own making.


Yawn...

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Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:16 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 24):
a diversion that a lot of you people enjoy...

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maybe maybe, but the primary fact is that Mr Khaddafi is NOT commanding a particular religious sect, is NOT a leader of religious or political relevance between Dakar and Manila, and that Libya is NOT having lots of influence in political and religious circles. There are no pilgrimages done to Tripoli or Benghazi, and Khaddafi is neither financing mosques nor pressing Libyan Imams onto Muslim communities around the globe.
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The problem about the unlimited support of the USA for the KSA is not so much that there is a co-operation with a medieval dictatorship, a co-operation in which most other countries in the world happily participate, but that it keeps alive an outdated moribund dynasty, which otherwise would have faded into history a good while ago. The problem rather is what is to come in case of a collapse of the House of Sa'ud. And this is another difference. If the Khaddafis get out, Libya will still be Libya, a thesis which does not necessarily apply to what now is the KSA .
 
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:24 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 24):
if one's frame of reference is prejudice, one is bound to be misled in his judgments

sure, prejudice is a danger to correct judgment always
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
Yawn...
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The truth is always sooooooooo boring

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What YOU mean of course is true, but what he means is two things, and that is that many US-Americans far too much perceive whatever negative comment is done about US-American politics in the world as "anti-American" and that too many US-Americans tend to repeat this thesis endlessly, which INDEED IS boring.
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You might compare the burning of US-flags and UK-flags somewhere. Brits when seeing that somebody burnt a UK-flag in a demo shrug their shoulders and mutter something about "idiots/imbeciles/dimwitted...." and then turn to other matters. US-Americans when seeing that somebody burnt a US-flag get heavily excited. So that burning a UK-flag for extremists simply neither is fun nor attracts the media (BBC-crews do NOT rush to a place where a UK-flag gets burnt).
 
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 28):
What YOU mean of course is true, but what he means is two things, and that is that many US-Americans far too much perceive whatever negative comment is done about US-American politics in the world as "anti-American" and that too many US-Americans tend to repeat this thesis endlessly, which INDEED IS boring.

Why this unhealthy fascination with the minutia of life here (Oh! Britney showed her pussy in public! How primitive! and then you get that delicious shiver of repulsion looking on some really tawdry shit) to the exclusion of affairs in your own corner of the world? I'm quite sure Europe has plenty enough assholes and morons to go around that should provide cafe conversation for eons.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
I'm quite sure Europe has plenty enough assholes and morons to go around that should provide cafe conversation for eons.

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Europe is generally doing cafe conversation about its own assholes and morons. But the USA is part of the world and so, GWB is handled along with people like Khaddafi, Ahmedinejad, Chavez and other beloved ones in general conversation. If that is "anti-American" then "so help us God", but it is NOT.
 
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:55 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 30):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
I'm quite sure Europe has plenty enough assholes and morons to go around that should provide cafe conversation for eons.

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Europe is generally doing cafe conversation about its own assholes and morons. But the USA is part of the world and so, GWB is handled along with people like Khaddafi, Ahmedinejad, Chavez and other beloved ones in general conversation. If that is "anti-American" then "so help us God", but it is NOT.

Of course. But you're talking about a single person who has way less power and influence than the average European thinks, because he's already accepted the heavy hand of the Nanny state and he thinks that every other place in the world is just like home-which is also something we're accused of regularly (thinking every place is like Sheboygan or Oconomowoc)

But it's mostly pathetically uninformed commentary, don't you see? Not astute criticism-I mean, it's ever so easy to just have a good rant instead of getting out the books and reading the facts, for heaven's sake.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 31):
mostly pathetically uninformed commentary, don't you see?

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Sure, but it is not only US-Americans or the USA which is victim to "uninformed commentary". And so, US-Americans simply should not take everything they may hear too seriously. The point of course is to see the sometimes subtle difference between "nonsense commentary", important commentary and jokes. AND most of all to see that also an "uninformed commentary" with criticism about US-politics, Hollywood or McDonald's is not necessarily "anti-Americanism".
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:16 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Hannibal Khaddafi is NOT a minister of his country nor a diplomat, but a private person, even if son of a head of state. And so is NOT a person of diplomatic immunity.

You're perfectly right, but considering that Lybia is not a democratic country (in my opinion) and that Khaddafi is a dictator, it wouldn't surprise me if Khaddafi's son has diplomatic immunity (it could be obtained in many ways).
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:31 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 32):
The point of course is to see the sometimes subtle difference between "nonsense commentary", important commentary and jokes. AND most of all to see that also an "uninformed commentary" with criticism about US-politics, Hollywood or McDonald's is not necessarily "anti-Americanism".

Here's a blanket stipulation that should be of use to you all, and perhaps after you internalize this you could try and move on, people?

Postcard from the US.

Dear Europe.

We've been friends for a long time but things are getting out of hand. So here are some helpful hints. Of course you'll have to find something else to bitch about but so be it.

US politics are stupid and boooring and politicians are mostly retards-just like yours.

McDonalds tastes like the south end of a northbound horse-just like a lot of your food. Many of us do not patronize Mickey Dee's or any other fast food outlet because we have functioning palates-just like you.

Hollywood is idiotic and mindless and you shouldn't pay any more attention to it than we do, which is doodley squat.

Here's a bonus.
Not all of us drive giant SUVs, the most expensive of which come from Europe. Mostly we have to drive motir vehicles because it's either that or stay home. We don't have much in the way of public transportation unless you want to live in a city where a one room flat costs $500,000.
Not all of us are overextended on mortgages and credit either. Some of you undoubtedly are.
The healthcare system leaves a lot to be desired in the US. it's not the best but it's probably better than North Korea's.
The death penalty is stupid.
George Bush is an idiot, as is Cheney and Rumsfeld. The jury's out on Condoleeza Rice.
Iraq was a mistake.
We're concerned about the Iranians getting the bomb, as you should be.
Farm subsidies are unfair to some people. Just like yours are.
The internet runs through the pentagon, as does GPS.
Asking you for your fingerprints on entry to our country is of unknown value.Some people resent it.

Did I miss anything?

Now that I have your attention, will you please move on to something that hasn't been done to death? It's a matter of using your time well.

Thanks

Your friends in the US.
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Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:00 pm



Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 33):
Khaddafi's son has diplomatic immunity

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Not yet at least. It right now apparently is considered to grant him this immunity by agreeing to regard him as a "diplomatic functionary on temporary mission" or something like that. Nothing public of course, but something DOES go on.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 34):
US politics are stupid and boooring and politicians are mostly retards-just like yours.

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But it is the President of the USA who happens to have unequalled power. If the government of Poland or Switzerland or Greece is doing something silly, or if the people of either country vote in favour of an exceedingly silly proposal, it generally is NOT to affect people in DesMoines or Wichita, BUT if the US government does something silly, people in Bünzen and in Knieritz an der Knatter and in Marina di Pietrasanta and in Mahalla el-Kubra most likely MAY get affected.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 34):
McDonalds tastes like the south end of a northbound horse-just like a lot of your food. Many of us do not patronize Mickey Dee's or any other fast food outlet because we have functioning palates-just like you.
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Hollywood is idiotic and mindless and you shouldn't pay any more attention to it than we do, which is doodley squat.
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Here's a bonus.
Not all of us drive giant SUVs, the most expensive of which come from Europe. Mostly we have to drive motir vehicles because it's either that or stay home. We don't have much in the way of public transportation unless you want to live in a city where a one room flat costs $500,000.

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the US-American image in the world :
US-Americans only eat fast-food
US-Americans either are non-alcoholic and only drink coffee and ....-Cola
-- or drink whisky by the gallon
US-Americans only drive large cars and never park their cars farther from home
-- than 5 meters
US-Americans are against walking or using public transport
US-Americans never learn any other language
US-Americans all have an intense desire to see as many death sentences executed
-- as possible
US-Americans cannot swim really but if on the beach use bathing-"slips" reaching far below -- the knees
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ok, sufficient nonsense packed into one compilation ! but it is not as far from how it is than you may think !
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the Iranians getting the bomb

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Iran is NOT developing nuclear weapons but wants to use nuclear energy for civilian purposes inside the country, in order to be able to export as much oil as possible. This even was confirmed by the CIA recently.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 34):
Farm subsidies are

in the USA are just between 20 and 50% of what they are in Switzerland. Bad however is that the USA is blocking efforts to get agricultural "trademarks" protected .
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RE: Libya And Switzerland In Clinch Over Arrest ..

Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:22 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
has banned ships under Swiss flag from using Libyan seaports

Oh my God, the Humanity! Do you mean the massive Swiss Navy will no longer be allowed to refuel its mediterranean fleet in Libya? What about its commercial shipping lines, second only to those of Bolivia?
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RE: Libya And Switzerland In Clinch Over Arrest ..

Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:19 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 36):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
has banned ships under Swiss flag from using Libyan seaports

Oh my God, the Humanity! Do you mean the massive Swiss Navy will no longer be allowed to refuel its mediterranean fleet in Libya? What about its commercial shipping lines, second only to those of Bolivia?

Pyrex, you're killin' me. The Swiss Navy may have to share dock space with the Luxembourg Grand Fleet and the South Dakota Navy.


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RE: Libya And Switzerland In Clinch Over Arrest ..

Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:19 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 36):
Do you mean the massive Swiss Navy will no longer be allowed to refuel its mediterranean fleet in Libya? What about its commercial shipping lines, second only to those of Bolivia?

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Some of the Swiss maritime companies (past and/or present from a quick search) of which I am aware:

Acomarit Services Maritimes S.A. - Genf
Alpina Reederei AG - Basel
Arabian Maritime Lines - Fribourg
Atlanship S.A. - La Tour-De-Peilz
Contal Shipping Ltd. - Zurich
Ermefer S.A. - Fribourg
Keller Shipping - Basel
Massoel Gestion Maritime SA - Genève
MSC Mediterranean Shipping Company S.A. - Genf
Navylloyd A.G. - Basel
Norasia Shipping Services S.A. - Fribourg
Oceana Shipping - Coire
Panalpina
Rondeau Holdings A.G. - Wollerau
St. Gotthard Schiffahrts A.G. (H.H. Thyssen-Bornemiza) - Chur
Suisse-Atlantique Societé de Navigation Maritime S.A. - Lausanne
Suisse-Outremer Reederei AG - Zürich
Suisse-Outremer S.A. de Gerance et d'Affretement Maritimes - Geneva
Reederei Zürich A.G. - Zürich

Phil Nelson, 6 October 2000
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Swiss Tanker Management is a commercial manager of tankers, registered and headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland.

Our service covers all aspects of commercial ship management including Chartering, Ship Brokerage & Operations, Accounting, Research & Consulting, and Demurrage & Claims.

Swiss Tanker Management ensures that cargoes are securely transported and optimised in terms of price, position and quality, in order to maximise returns.

We have vast experience in managing sizeable fleets and our team of experts endeveaour to maintain a company benchmark of 95% + Fleet Utilization factor.

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Reeder ----------------------Eigner Name Typ
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Suisse-Atlantique ---- Oceana Chur General Guisan Bulk Carrier
Société de Navigation --- Oceana Chur Corviglia Bulk Carrier
Maritime SA --- Oceana Chur Celerina Bulk Carrier
Avenue des Baumettes 7 Oceana Chur Engiadina Container Carrier
Case Postale 48 Oceana Chur Lausanne Container Carrier
1020 Renens 1 --- Oceana Chur Sils Container Carrier
Tel 021 637 22 01 ---- Oceana Chur St. Cergue Container Carrier
Fax 021 637 22 01 ---- Oceana Chur Silvretta Bulk Carrier
-------------------------------------------- Oceana Chur Silvaplana Bulk Carrier
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Massoel Meridian Ltd. -- Massmariner Frib. Glarus Bulk Carrier
Rue du Cendrier 15 ---- Massmariner Frib. Martigny Bulk Carrier
1201 Genève -------- Massmariner Frib. Lugano Bulk Carrier
Tel 0221 908 50 20 ---- Massmariner Frib. Andermatt Bulk Carrier
Fax 022 908 50 21 ---- Massmariner Frib. Arosa Bulk Carrier
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Reederei Zürich AG ----- Loxodrome Zug Curia Bulk Carrier
Bergstrasse 109 --------- Bulk Shipping Zug Turicum Bulk Carrier
8032 Zürich
01 / 257 10 40
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Enzian Ship Management AG Enzian Schlieren Sabina Combi Freighter
Sennweg 11-----------------------------Celine Bern Celine Combi Freighter
3000 Bern 9 ---------------------- SCL Bern Bern Container Frtr
031 / 305 16 60 ------------------ SCL Bern Basilea Container Frtr
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----------------------------------------- SCL Bern Marie-Jeanne Container Frtr
---------------------------------------- SCL Bern Anita Container Frtr
----------------------------------------- SCL Bern Akwaba Container Frtr
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ABC Maritime AG -------- San Benedetto San Benedetto Bitumen Tanker
rue Perdtemps 1 ------------- San Benedetto San Bernardino Chemical Tanker
1260 Nyon --------- San Benjamino San Benjamino Chemical Tanker
Tel 022 365 71 00
Fax 022 365 71 11
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Mega Chemicals --------------- MCT Frauenfeld Matterhorn Chemical Tanker
Schiffahrt AG --------------- MCT Frauenfeld Monte Rosa Chemical Tanker
Reederweg 6 --------------- MCT Frauenfeld Breithorn Chemical Tanker
8595 Uttwil --------------- MCT Frauenfeld Stockhorn Chemical Tanker
Tel 071 466 99 99
Fax 071 466 99 93
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RE: Libya And Switzerland In Clinch Over Arrest ..

Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:32 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 37):
The Swiss Navy may have to

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Nobody spoke about military naval forces, the problem is a fairly sizeable COMMERCIAL fleet, owned by Swiss companies and/or operated under Swiss flag, as outlined above
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People who want to serve in what is nearest to a navy might join the Lake Police on the Bodensee (Lake of Constance) below

or the one of Zurich on the Lake of Zurich

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RE: Libya And Switzerland In Clinch Over Arrest ..

Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:22 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 38):

Stop poking wholes in my debauchery with your damn facts! I work 80 hours per week for the Swiss, I could at least be entitled to make some fun of their Grand Armada, but nooo...  Wink
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RE: Libya And Switzerland In Clinch Over Arrest ..

Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:26 am



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 40):
make some fun

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why not, but fact (sorry, another fact ! ) is that not only the press but also the general public in Switzerland did NOT perceive the matter as funny in any way, but as the most serious matter possible. Only the almost immediate offer of assistance from President Bouteflika somehow helped a bit to ease the tension.

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