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Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:56 pm

White House hopeful Barack Obama has said a strong transatlantic relationship is needed to deal with a wide range of world issues.

Mr Obama said co-operation with the UK was crucial over climate change, terrorism and the economy, after talks with UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7526544.stm

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Ok he came and he left but what do Europeans think of Obama after his visit ??

Personally I have to say I like the guy and I hope he becomes President. At some stages of his visit you actually would have been forgiven for forgetting that he was not the US President. He spoke well and handled challenging questions with grace. He seems to know what he is talking about and more importantly he understands why alot of Europeans have cooled their love of America. I truly believe he wants to mend the bridges that have been broken.
 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:43 pm



Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
He spoke well and handled challenging questions with grace. He seems to know what he is talking about...

Sure, as long as he has a teleprompter in front of him.
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:05 pm

What did you expect him to say, that US-UK relations needed to cool? So far he has really said little of substance but you people seem to lap it up.
 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:29 pm



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 2):
So far he has really said little of substance but you people seem to lap it up.

Can you tells us what about McCain's "substancious" speaches in Colombia and Mexico please.

Thank you

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
Sure, as long as he has a teleprompter in front of him.

At least he knows how to use one *cough* John McCain *cough*
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:47 pm

Like the idea of strong US-UK links are anything new?? I don't understand how shit like this makes news for either candidate.

When either calls for improving links with Russia or Fatah or Brasil, I will care more to read about it. But they won't.
 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:10 am



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
Can you tells us what about McCain's "substancious" speaches in Colombia and Mexico please.

I wouldn't know exactly!

However, McCain would be pro American, he would not go to the EU as a Socialist, and make negative statements regarding the US, then disrespect our soldiers, as did Barrack Ah Ah Obama!

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
At least he knows how to use one *cough* John McCain *cough*

John McCain's a former Naval Aviator! What an absurd remark!

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
He seems to know what he is talking about

 no 

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
He spoke well and handled challenging questions with grace

I was a bit surprised to see Katie Couric push Obama a little. But, when asked regarding the Surge 3 times, Obama dodged it 3 times. Nonetheless, Obama still has it very easy with the media, to unprecessdent levels!

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Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:12 am

Quoting AirStairs (Reply 4):
Like the idea of strong US-UK links are anything new?? I don't understand how shit like this makes news for either candidate.
As a candidate,Obama shouldn't be in Europe at all.But since Obama comes from the ultra-left liberal African-American culture niche, which in turn have condemn all Europeans for their troubles and disavow all European American mannerisms in this country,it does relief some tension and makes news in a way.

Besides,if anywhere on his trip,Obama should be more in Africa then Europe,where Africa could use a major overhaul in policy and the only American politician who could make awesome strides.Missed opportunity.

Or is it because it wouldn't make bigger splash,news wise?

[Edited 2008-07-26 17:34:44]
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:17 am



Quoting Platypus (Reply 5):
Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
At least he knows how to use one *cough* John McCain *cough*

John McCain's a former Naval Aviator! What an absurd remark!

Which, since HUDs weren't around at the time, has absolutely zero connection with his ability to use a teleprompter.

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Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:22 am



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
Can you tells us what about McCain's "substancious" speaches in Colombia and Mexico please.

Thank you

Actually no, I can't. I also didn't see any Columbians or Mexicans starting threads here about the McCain worship factor in their countries.

In fact, as I recall, McCain played a very low profile in Colombia by refusing to get involved with the FARC hostage rescue scene.

On another note, while Obama was getting all the press in Europe, McCain made some gains in the polls of some key swing states.
 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:33 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
He spoke well and handled challenging questions with grace. He seems to know what he is talking about...

Sure, as long as he has a teleprompter in front of him.

If that's the best you can do, Jack, you're beaten before you start.

He is correct. One of the great challenges that either Sen. Obama or Sen. McCain faces as the next president, is to shore up our relationships with our friends and allies-especially in Europe. Those ties are certainly not broken, but have been severely frayed because of the arrogance incompetence of the current administration, and it's arrogant, self-serving bullying when someone doesn't agree with us.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 5):
However, McCain would be pro American, he would not go to the EU as a Socialist, and make negative statements regarding the US, then disrespect our soldiers, as did Barrack Ah Ah Obama!

God, but you're out in right field, dude!  rotfl 

1. I've never known a president that wasn't "Pro-American." To take the highest office in the land-to even put yourself out to put up with all the stress and crap that comes with running for that office-in many respects, IS the highest form of patriotism. For anyone to question the loyalty of anyone running for President is simply a blinded fool. Mr. McCain is a patriot; Mr. Obama is a patriot; Mr. Bush is a patriot-I just don't think he's a good president, but I don't question his love for this nation.

1. If a president is afraid, or too arrogant to ask for assistance and help from friends and allies, he is not living up to his responisbilities under the Constitution, to help "preseve, protect and defend". Because, often, we can't have Americans policing the whole world, Mr. Parrott, and it's vital that you and your allies be prepared to work together, even if you have differences.

2. Mr. Obama is quite liberal, but he's certainly no Socialist. You wouldn't know what a real socialist was if it came up and bit you on your red ass.

3. He has never showed any disrespect to our soldiers. He visits them often; he has eaten with them, talked with them, and, like 99.99999% of all Americans, he cares deeply for the health and well being of those serving this nation.

In fact, I'll wager he's far more a patriotic American than you'll ever be, because, I believe, unlike you, he doesn't think patriotism follows any party line or any political dogma, Mr. Parrot. That's all you do on here. You don't look at liberals as Americans who think differently than you; you look at them as the enemy. And, because you do that, you are the anthisis of everything that is good about this nation.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 5):
Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
At least he knows how to use one *cough* John McCain *cough*

John McCain's a former Naval Aviator! What an absurd remark!

And pray tell me, Mr. Parrot, what does that have to do with using a Teleprompter?  rotfl 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:12 am

Im driving to in Czechoslovakia for vacation and i am having trouble finding the border crossing requirements between Iraq and Pakistan. The one person who can help me, is not answering my calls.

Has anybody crossed recently?

Thanks

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07252008...lumnists/campaign_chaos_121429.htm

":And what if the media really turned its glare on McCain? Perhaps they'd give more time to his claim this week that there's an Iraq-Pakistan border or his confusion about when the surge began. Or his reference last week to "Czechoslovakia," which is no longer a country."

[Edited 2008-07-26 18:14:15]
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:02 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
Which, since HUDs weren't around at the time, has absolutely zero connection with his ability to use a teleprompter.

If you're not being sarcastic, then your reply has no merit, nor relevance! Since, I was referring to the posters flippant reference to McCain being dumb. For one to be a Naval Aviator, takes remarkable physical and mental abilities. It's quite an accomplishment to make it to that level. Regarding accomplishments, Obama has Zero!

The significance of my reply flew right over your head!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
And pray tell me, Mr. Parrot, what does that have to do with using a Teleprompter?

Yours too!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
1. I've never known a president that wasn't "Pro-American."

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

I have never known a presidential candidate with so many ties and connections to such anti-America people. I.E. Rev Wright, his wife, and the weather underground.

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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:23 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
3. He has never showed any disrespect to our soldiers. He visits them often; he has eaten with them, talked with them, and, like 99.99999% of all Americans, he cares deeply for the health and well being of those serving this nation.

BS  redflag 

When Obama learned he couldn't bring his campaign staff alone for a political expedient moment, to see our troops, he cancelled! That's wonderful, he travels all the way to Europe to be the Socialist/Anti American he is, and be Mr Ego, but doesn't have the decency to visit our troops! There's absolutely no excuse for that!!!

You condone that Falcon84?

F-ing lame!

Obama Cancels Trip to Visit Wounded U.S. Soldiers "Bloomberg"

Obama ''was told he could visit as an official but he cannot come in an election capacity, not visit with his campaign staff,'' Hibner said in a telephone interview.


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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:47 am



Quoting Platypus (Reply 11):
I was referring to the posters flippant reference to McCain being dumb.

I don't think anyone is saying McCain is dumb, Mr. Parrot. But the fact is as one gets older, they will tend to confuse things. That is not anything but a fact of life-for the large majority of us. And you wonder what the consequences could be if President McCain would get confused at the wrong moment. It's not a sign of stupidity, but age. Those of us who remember the last years of Ronald Reagan's years in the WH, and there was no denying the signs of the Alzheimers that eventually took his mind from him.

Again, there is nothing wrong with pointing this out in a 72 year old man running for president. He's not dumb. But he is getting old.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 11):
For one to be a Naval Aviator, takes remarkable physical and mental abilities.

Yes it is. No one will argue that. But he's no longer that naval aviator with the remarkable physical abilities, is he? That was 40+ some years ago. He's a 72 year old man now. And it is proper to question his ability in this matter.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 11):
I have never known a presidential candidate with so many ties and connections to such anti-America people. I.E. Rev Wright, his wife, and the weather underground.

The old, Cold-War, Joe McCarthy "guilt by association" tactic? Rev. Wright is out there, but he's certianly not anti-American. And the Weather Underground was a group out before you were a gleam in your parents' eyes, and no longer exists.

So, again, for you to lable anyone running for President as "anti-American" makes you not loyal to the United States, but to a political party, and a political party only. Because Barack Obama isn't anti-American. For anyone calling himself a true American to really believe that is totally out of touch with what the U.S. is and stands for. And that person is an embarrassment to the United States.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 12):
BS

Your favorite line, when you have nothing to say. And, you say it all the time.  Yeah sure

Quoting Platypus (Reply 12):
You condone that Falcon84?

Parrot, what crime did he commit? Show me? None? Oh, really? He's visited troops many times in the past. He visited a lot of them in Afghanistan and Iraq, but I don't see you giving him any praise for that. So why the vitrol over this? Ah, because Republicans don't have anything else to beat Obama on, so, as usual, they make an issue out of a non-issue?

There's nothing to condone or condemn here. Whether Obama or McCain had done it, it happens. There'll be other chances to visit the troops, when he's President.
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:33 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
One of the great challenges that either Sen. Obama or Sen. McCain faces as the next president, is to shore up our relationships with our friends and allies-especially in Europe. Those ties are certainly not broken, but have been severely frayed because of the arrogance incompetence of the current administration, and it's arrogant, self-serving bullying when someone doesn't agree with us.

Eh, I would say that was one of the great challenges of 2004, when Messrs Chirac and Schröder were in office. The political landscape of continental Europe changed pretty significantly with the arrivals of Angela Merkel, popular, right-leaning, pro-American chancellor who supported the invasion of Iraq, and Nicolas Sarkozy, who is itching to get France back into the NATO military fold.

Germany and France were the two most powerful European states to rebuff the American policy; their governments are certainly singing a different tune than four years ago. A lot of these ties have mended themselves and it will not be one of the "great challenges" of the next presidency.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
And you wonder what the consequences could be if President McCain would get confused at the wrong moment.

None, because the White House and all government agencies are staffed with thousands who will prevent him from acting on any trivial (or significant) misunderstanding. Do you really think the President gets to pick up the phone and just throw out orders off the top of his head?
 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:36 am



Quoting AirStairs (Reply 14):
Do you really think the President gets to pick up the phone and just throw out orders off the top of his head?

Do you think that he won't, if his mental faculties aren't all there? McCain would be 80 if he got two terms. That's an old man by any standard, and I think there's nothing wrong with asking the question: can a 72 year old man handle the stress of the White House, and all it's demands, for 4 years-let along 8.

He's in good shape-but in good shape for a 72 year old man. He's still a 72 year old man. It's incumbent to ask that question.
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:17 am

To me people to see him as inspiring and like that guy. That doesn't translate into a good president. He seems to have a personality people like and most of the time people look at personality over anything else from my experience.
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:41 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
can a 72 year old man handle the stress of the White House, and all it's demands, for 4 years-let along 8.

He's in good shape-but in good shape for a 72 year old man. He's still a 72 year old man. It's incumbent to ask that question.

Very true . He is just too much ''old school'' for President. You need a younger leader with decent communicating skills. I know thats a tough task in the USA but Obama is your best chance to regain respect around the world.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 12):
When Obama learned he couldn't bring his campaign staff alone for a political expedient moment, to see our troops, he cancelled! That's wonderful, he travels all the way to Europe to be the Socialist/Anti American he is, and be Mr Ego, but doesn't have the decency to visit our troops! There's absolutely no excuse for that!!!

Well I read and saw on TV another side to that story .

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...gence/2008/07/mccain_rips_oba.html

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor replied in a statement: "As Senator Obama said today, the last thing he wanted was to have injured soldiers get pulled into the back-and-forth of a political campaign. That's why we imagine Senator McCain would be surprised that his campaign released this wildly inappropriate accusation that politicizes the issue. Senator Obama and Senator McCain share the belief that we must do everything we can to honor and support our troops, which is why Senator Obama has met with our men and women in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan this week and visited wounded soldiers at Walter Reed numerous times."

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I tend to believe Obama more than the McCain camp who it seems will even use the troops to get them a few more votes. A case of damned if you do and damned if you dont. What Americans dont seem to understand is that for the first time in a long time a US political leader has been greeted on the streets of Europe by people waving American flags and cheering instead of protesting. Makes a change from the protests and burning of American flags.

McCain is Bush re incarnated and if he gets in again and carries on with the same sort of policies that Bush has then Americans will find more and more countries that become no go areas for them.
 
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:16 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Your favorite line, when you have nothing to say. And, you say it all the time.

If you look just below the BS and redflag, you'd see I had something very relevant to say, something of which you dodged. And yes, it is a common, not to mention, accurate statement aimed at you quite regularly.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Parrot, what crime did he commit? Show me? None? Oh, really? He's visited troops many times in the past

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Now who's the apologist, hah? You! "Hypocrite"!

There's absolutely no excuse for Obama not taking the time to see our troops in Europe. He went all that way to promote himself, then make anti-American statements.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
The old, Cold-War, Joe McCarthy "guilt by association" tactic? Rev. Wright is out there, but he's certianly not anti-American

It's not a trick when Wright married Mr & Mrs Obama, Baptised their Children, went to his church for 20 years, then goes to Europe to make anti-American statements!!! What nonsense!

Again,
Now who's the apologist, hah? You! "Hypocrite"!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
And the Weather Underground was a group out before you were a gleam in your parents' eyes, and no longer exists.

Yet, Obama refers to Ayers as a friend, not a murdering radical! That's alarming!

www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html - 164k

As Bloomberg News reported recently, Obama and Ayers have crossed paths repeatedly in the last decade. In 1997, Obama cited Ayers' critique of the juvenile justice system in a Chicago Tribune article on what prominent Chicagoans were reading. He and Ayers served together on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago for three years starting in 1999. In 2001, Ayers also gave $200 to Obama's state Senate reelection campaign.

Many details of the 1995 meeting are shrouded by time and by Obama's and Ayers' refusals to discuss it.


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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:32 pm

Good god, so this is what the school yard sounds like these days.

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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:28 pm

He calls for strong UK links? What else did anyone expect him to say? "Yeah let's dump the British". We've all heard it and seen it before, the handshakes, smiles, pats on the back, and the sweet words and comments. Mr Obama looks like a decent alternative to the Bush/Cheney gangsters, let's wait and see if/when he becomes President whether he has the substance or whether he's another war hungry politician.
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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:29 pm

I hope that a Presidential candidate, (especially a US one), would be in the US, especially at a time where the US economy and other issues are not in good shape, trying to get American approval rather than European-Middle Eastern. As by all means, his votes are coming from the US. Seriously, what is he proving... that he is full of Sh!t?

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Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:52 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Again, there is nothing wrong with pointing this out in a 72 year old man running for president. He's not dumb. But he is getting old.

BS redflag 

What ignorant nonsense!

America's best president "Ronald Reagan" was our most senior! Who, btw, won 2 major landslide victories as pres.. McCain, if elected, will be just 2 years older than Reagan!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan - 493k

Quoting AirStairs (Reply 14):
Eh, I would say that was one of the great challenges of 2004, when Messrs Chirac and Schröder were in office. The political landscape of continental Europe changed pretty significantly with the arrivals of Angela Merkel, popular, right-leaning, pro-American chancellor who supported the invasion of Iraq, and Nicolas Sarkozy, who is itching to get France back into the NATO military fold.

Germany and France were the two most powerful European states to rebuff the American policy; their governments are certainly singing a different tune than four years ago. A lot of these ties have mended themselves and it will not be one of the "great challenges" of the next presidency.

Very good point AirStairs!

Obama appears to want to go down the path the EU recently learned from. As the EU goes right, Obama wants to make the mistakes Socialists Chirac and Schröder made!


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RE: Obama Calls For Strong UK Links

Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:54 pm



Quoting Platypus (Reply 22):
America's best president "Ronald Reagan" was our most senior!

Our best presidents ever, imho, were Washington, Lincoln and FDR. Reagan ends up in the top 10, but he's far from the best. There's only been 3 great presidents of all time.

And, when Reagan was ready to leave the WH, he had all the signs of Alzheimers, that eventually took him from this world. Again, there's nothing wrong with asking the question: is a man already 72 years old fit to lead this nation for 4 or 8 years?
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:21 pm



Quoting Platypus (Reply 22):
America's best president "Ronald Reagan" was our most senior!

LOL...... Its amazing how history re writes itself.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Our best presidents ever, imho, were Washington, Lincoln and FDR

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