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Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:24 am

Geez, you guys say Bush is bad!

Now we know why Obama refused to debate McCain in a Town-hall environment!

Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8&NR=1

 eek 

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Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:26 am

Maybe if he said "-izzle" after everything it might sound a little better? Sorry just a joke  Smile


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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:32 am

Fo shizzle my nizzle......

So what really? The video doesn't prove anything. He had people yelling in the audience. Have you ever done public speaking? It's not easy, especially if people are interrupting you.

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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:48 am

Would a 71 year old at the start of four years be a better choice for a sharp mind?
 
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:09 am



Quoting Platypus (Thread starter):
Now we know why Obama refused to debate McCain in a Town-hall environment!

Obomba has never faced a real formidible opponent. He simply disqualified his Democratic challenger by pointing out a discrepancy in her application for her campaign. And if that wasn't enough luck, Jack Ryan, the GOP candidate dropped out when his estranged wife went public with their divorce and he dropped out. His replacement was Alan Keyes which was no challenge at all. Anytime he faced a real election, he was handed his hat. When he was challenged for US House seat by Bobby Rush, he lost big time.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
So what really? The video doesn't prove anything. He had people yelling in the audience. Have you ever done public speaking? It's not easy, especially if people are interrupting you.

No, but if this was Bush, you would be all over it like stink on sh!t, just like all the other Anti-Bush peeps yo, So don't sit there and preach to us about a "so what" moment. This proves a valid point, that Barack Obomba doesn't know what he's talking about 3/4 of the time. If it doesn't come from a cue card from his campaign staff or teleprompter, he bombs onstage.

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 3):
Would a 71 year old at the start of four years be a better choice for a sharp mind?

Reagan did fine when he was elected in 1980, at age 71 mind you. At least McCain can finish what he's saying, unlike Obomba the twit.

He's the equivalant of Al Sharpton,
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:19 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Reagan did fine when he was elected in 1980, at age 71 mind you.

Actually he was 69.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
At least McCain can finish what he's saying,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRUhlws5TOI
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:44 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
At least McCain can finish what he's saying,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRUhlws5TOI

At least he isn't touring all 57 of our United States...

Give it up people, you'll find both Obama and McCain make mistakes. If you walk into the JFK museum in Boston, they even have a film of JFK screwing up on campaign ads. And that's one of the greatest orators of the last 50 years.

Bill Clinton was a pretty good speaker, and I don't know if you all remember his "Liberal" flub during the State of the Union....

As far as discriminating against McCain because of his age, not very "Open Minded" of you Liberals eh? What ever happened to the "40" is the new "30" crowd, or senior Americans who can do anything?

It's like voting against Obama because he's black or wait a minute his full name: Barack Hussein Obama...

Obama is merely a demagogue packed with this wannabe Robert Kennedy wrapper. He isn't even 10% of RFK. The guy changes his opinions with the wind and has zero political will.

What bold stands has Obama taken in his whopping 4 yrs in the Senate? What has he gambled on?

Nothing. I brought up the abortion stance, the dude gets a 100% rating from NARAL and whoopsie is now advocating GWB's faith based initiative and suddenly believes in restricting abortion...

He banked on Iraq failing miserably and pandering to his base to get the troops out ASAP. Oops...Good thing General Petreaus is working some good deeds there..

Even more good news from Iraq today:

"The internal document — obtained by The Associated Press — offers a rare look at how the top echelon of the Mahdi Army militia is assessing the sustained blows to its once-mighty shadow state and the challenges to its absentee leader al-Sadr, who is holed up in Iran"

"Each chip in al-Sadr's power base seems to tip the scales a bit more in favor of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his pro-American allies. Most important, the shifts give the government more confidence and room to widen its influence over Shiite politics, the key to control of the country."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25917852/

So who was it that banked his entire political career on the Surge when everyone including members of the GOP were ready to withdraw?

John McCain...That's the reason he gets my vote and several thousand dollars of my money in contributions.

The man is far from perfect, probably isn't the greatest leader, but he has integrity.
 
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:55 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Reagan did fine when he was elected in 1980, at age 71 mind you. At least McCain can finish what he's saying, unlike Obomba the twit.

There is evidence/ rumors that the last couple of years of Reagan's term he was not "there" enough to properly govern and George Bush was doing most of the heavy lifting. Take it for what it is worth, but it is interesting to think about.
 
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:01 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
At least McCain can finish what he's saying

Problem is, a lot of the time, McCain mashes up what he says.


Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
John McCain...That's the reason he gets my vote and several thousand dollars of my money in contributions.

It's your money. But McCain is not going to win come November.
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:03 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
Actually he was 69.

Oh, 69. Biiiiiig difference.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
But McCain is not going to win come November.

Well, it isn't going to be Obama. So I guess it's Romney
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:18 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
John McCain...That's the reason he gets my vote and several thousand dollars of my money in contributions.

It's your money. But McCain is not going to win come November.

Maybe if you say it enough times you might actually believe that...And you forget the GOP money machine is only getting started and can match Obama dollar for dollar...Most of the GOP base hasn't donated much to McCain yet, so there is plenty more he can tap. Just wait until the 527's come out swinging against Obama.

McCain is up 4 points in today's USA today poll, Obama is only up by a point in another and 2.5 pts overall...So much for that bounce huh?

Americans don't give a crap about Michael Jackson wannabe crowds, they care about who is going to save their jobs and manage this country through a tough time both here and in Iraq.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

The majority of Americans believe McCain is the better Commander in Chief, is more honest, and a more experienced...

"By a 2-1 ratio, Americans also see McCain as having the qualities of a commander in chief, and by a nearly 3-1 ratio, they view him as "being knowledgeable and experienced enough to handle the presidency.

Drilling down another layer, the NBC poll showed that while Americans overwhelmingly see the Democrat as more likable, "offering hope and optimism," and better able to improve America's standing in the world, McCain leads Obama on having the "strong leadership qualities needed to be president," having more consistency and being stronger on honesty.

And asked who they view as the riskier choice for president, Americans by a 55-35 ratio said Obama. "

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...07/28/MN4111VKKQ.DTL&type=politics

Gee, not the cakewalk you were predicting huh? So basically the voters are saying Obama is the show but no go..You can fool the public some of the time, but not ALL of the time...

Oh and more about Obama's so called Economic Plan:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1217...html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

"Obamanomics Is a Recipe for Recession"

"History teaches us that high taxes and protectionism are not conducive to a thriving economy, the extreme case being the higher taxes and tariffs that deepened the Great Depression. While such a policy mix would be a real change, as philosophers remind us, change is not always progress."

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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:31 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 10):
Maybe if you say it enough times you might actually believe that...And you forget the GOP money machine is only getting started and can match Obama dollar for dollar...Most of the GOP base hasn't donated much to McCain yet, so there is plenty more he can tap. Just wait until the 527's come out swinging against Obama.

Actually, the GOP is doing rather well donation wise!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/politics/07donate.html

Party Donations Show G.O.P. Edge

The Democratic National Committee ended 2007 nearly flat broke, with cash of $2.9 million and debts of $2.2 million. Since then it has raised some money, paid down debt and managed to put $3.7 million in its piggy bank. This compares, however, with $25 million that the Republican National Committee has in cash on hand, after having raised $97 million since the beginning of 2007

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
It's your money. But McCain is not going to win come November.

Partisans like the Falconator said the same thing regarding John Kerry!

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Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:42 pm



Quoting Platypus (Reply 11):

congratulations. you found a March article.
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*CURRENTLY* ...
the DNC has $92 million in the coffers as of July 16.

the RNC has $95 million in the coffers as of July 1. the new McCain ads are estimated to be in the $10-$15 million range, if not more. they've been running since July 2 or 3.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:44 pm



Quoting Platypus (Thread starter):
Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8...&NR=1

you really think this is something important?

*wow*
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:45 pm



Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
*CURRENTLY* ...
the DNC has $92 million in the coffers as of July 16.

the RNC has $95 million in the coffers as of July 1. the new McCain ads are estimated to be in the $10-$15 million range, if not more. they've been running since July 2 or 3.

Not bad considering how "better" off the media has spinned Obama's financial advantage to be.

Let's face it this will be a close race in every facet. Whomever takes the oath of office in January 2009 will have a divided country on their hands and a ton of problems to resolve.

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Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:46 pm



Quoting Platypus (Reply 11):
Partisans like the Falconator said the same thing regarding John Kerry!

And you're not a partisan with your insufferable boring screeds? Give me a freakin' break.


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Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:47 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 10):
Maybe if you say it enough times you might actually believe that...And you forget the GOP money machine is only getting started and can match Obama dollar for dollar...

I'm glad you feel so optimistic about your candidate. I really do. But the reality of where the elecotral map is right now show that Obama, with those states that are safe Dem states, is already very close to 270. Plus, there about 8 states that Bush won in '04 that are in play. That's simply the reality. It's the reality as we near August, of course, but the reality nonetheless. It's going to take a huge surge (no pun intended) by McCain to overcome that electoral map. And I don't know if he can excite much more than his base at this time.

As for the GOP money machine, that's a myth right now. They can raise some serious cash, but Obama has outraised McCain by about 4 to 1. The money the GOP raises can't only go to McCain's campaign, either, but to Congressional races.

Obama's financial advantage will become huge, as we head into October, and he still has tons of cash to spend, whereas McCain will have to judiciously pick and choose where he spends his resources. That could be the back-breaker for Sen. McCain.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 10):
Americans don't give a crap about Michael Jackson wannabe crowds, they care about who is going to save their jobs and manage this country through a tough time both here and in Iraq.

And they think the party of the rich and of outsourcing is going to do that? Sorry, but if you look at most polls, the Democrats get the nod on who can do better with the economy.

As far as who is ahead, look at this interactive map from CNN. It shows that in the majority of polls, Sen. Obama is ahead on popular vote, and still holding a comfortable electoral lead as of today:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/poll-tracker.htm

Again, this race is far from over, but right now, Obama is looking pretty good. McCain is going to need some serious mojo to overcome the fact that he's backed by an incredibly unpopular president, that the economy is bad, and that the American people are beginning to want to end our involvement in Iraq.

But there's a loooong way to go.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:51 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 15):
Not bad considering how "better" off the media has spinned Obama's financial advantage to be.

there's no spin. just the truth. sorry.

Obama's raising dozens of millions of dollars at a time from thousands and thousands of people sending in $20 to $30 at a time.

the DNC candidates themselves are bringing in the money and they're letting their funds go to other campaign uses.

McCain is depending on large single donors. the RNC is relying on escrow funds. and in this election, the RNC is providing fractions of the help that the DNC is providing their candidates in congress/state/local races.
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:58 pm

It seems to me that no matter how hard they try, they just can't seem to find enough 'dirt' to hurt Obama.

Must suck, when you have to resort to such 'cheap shots' in order to justify a vote against any opposing candidate.  Wink  duck 
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:01 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 10):
Americans don't give a crap about Michael Jackson wannabe crowds, they care about who is going to save their jobs and manage this country through a tough time both here and in Iraq.

What's with the snide ass crack about Michael Jackson? What message are you exactly trying to convey to the rest of us? Because if I didn't know better, I'd probably think it was, well, kinda offensive. But I'll let you clarify it.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:01 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
But the reality of where the elecotral map is right now show that Obama, with those states that are safe Dem states, is already very close to 270. Plus, there about 8 states that Bush won in '04 that are in play. That's simply the reality.

Real Clear Politics seems to think otherwise:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

They have Obama at 238 McCain 163 and McCain within a few points in all of those states you've mentioned.

This isn't going to be a landslide by any means. We have a long way to go.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
And they think the party of the rich and of outsourcing is going to do that? Sorry, but if you look at most polls, the Democrats get the nod on who can do better with the economy.

Yeah Higher Taxes and more entitlement projects..Yay! Now if they were going to raise taxes a bit and not increase spending that might be another story.

The party of Outsourcing? Still singing that tune? Go ask President Clinton who signed NAFTA. Outsourcing happened way before GWB was elected...


As far as the "party of the rich" more propaganda. I don't believe in a Nanny state for people who are too stupid to make their own decisions..

You never answered my question about how immigrant families such as mine can do so well in this country and Americans who are here seemingly excel at racking up debt and buying houses they can't afford...

It's not magic, it's called personal responsibility....
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:07 pm



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 18):
Must suck, when you have to resort to such 'cheap shots' in order to justify a vote against any opposing candidate.

pretty soon they'll be digging up Reagan and running him again.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:08 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
They have Obama at 238 McCain 163 and McCain within a few points in all of those states you've mentioned.

This isn't going to be a landslide by any means. We have a long way to go.

238 electors pretty much wrapped up? That's pretty impressive nearing Aug 1. That means he only needs 32 to go. That 32 will be tough to get, no doubt, but a lot easier than the 107 that Mr. McCain nees to try and win. His task is monumental, although not impossible.

And you're right ,there is a long way to go, already said that.  Smile

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
Yay! Now if they were going to raise taxes a bit and not increase spending that might be another story.

I think taxes will go up, no matter who is president. Mr. McCain isn't an ideologue, and I think, once in the WH, either man will realize, with the deficits left to them by Mr. Bush, and a sagging economy, taxes will have to go up.

I don't scream and yell if that happens, because if we're ever going to pay for what we want-even if we cut out some entitlements-and we do need to cut some out-revenue has to be increased. Cutting all loopholes would help a lot, but there's still probably going to be a continued shortfall.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:11 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
What's with the snide ass crack about Michael Jackson? What message are you exactly trying to convey to the rest of us? Because if I didn't know better, I'd probably think it was, well, kinda offensive. But I'll let you clarify it.

The Rockstar crowds is what I'm referring to. It's a show much like MJ was putting on, but that was MJ's job.

This is the same crap his buddy Gov. Deval Patrick put on in Massachusetts. His slogan was "Together We Can" and that's how he won...Fast forward a few yrs later and only 30% of MA approves of him..

Same feel good platitudes, same empty suit.

He's a RFK wannabe, same kind of crowds, and not even 1% of the moral character RFK had.

You Obamaholics have a thin skin just like your candidate. It's funny how Obamaholics will utter the worst of comments at GWB, make fun of McCain's age and physical condition much of which are wounds of war, but can't take a little criticism.

my "snide" comment isn't more "offensive" than the Mission Accomplished banner and show GWB put on...It was all about political grandstanding...
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:12 pm



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
He had people yelling in the audience. Have you ever done public speaking? It's not easy, especially if people are interrupting you.

I do a lot of public speaking, sometimes to hostile crowds. You learn how to control each situation, or you fail to get your message across. It is that simple. Obama cannot speak "off the cuff". If he doesn't have prepared notes or a teleprompter, he is totally lost. President Bush is much better at talking without access to notes than Obama is.  banghead 

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 3):
Would a 71 year old at the start of four years be a better choice for a sharp mind?

Than a 40 something year old idiot? Yes.  duck   duck   duck 

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
At least he isn't touring all 57 of our United States...

With one more to go..........  duck   duck   duck 

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
Give it up people, you'll find both Obama and McCain make mistakes. If you walk into the JFK museum in Boston, they even have a film of JFK screwing up on campaign ads. And that's one of the greatest orators of the last 50 years.

Actually, JFK was only an average speaker. The best speakers who were Presidents since 1960 have been President Reagan on the Republican side, and President Clinton for the Democrats.  confused 

Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 7):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Reagan did fine when he was elected in 1980, at age 71 mind you. At least McCain can finish what he's saying, unlike Obomba the twit.

There is evidence/ rumors that the last couple of years of Reagan's term he was not "there" enough to properly govern and George Bush was doing most of the heavy lifting.

What evidence? The only rumors that state this are from Democrats. President Reagan was not diagnosed with Alzheimer's until 1992. His first two post office medical appointments did not show Alzheimer's.  eyepopping 

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
John McCain...That's the reason he gets my vote and several thousand dollars of my money in contributions.

It's your money. But McCain is not going to win come November.

If McCain isn't going to win, who is? It isn't Obama.  irked 

BTW, I have strong convictions about McCain, but I am about to write that $2400 check to his campaign. In the Texas Primary, I voted for Clinton, something I never thought I'd do. But, there is no way I can ever vote for someone who has no plan for anything, promises $1 Trillion in new social programs, hasn't got a clue how to pay for it, wants to increase taxes simply for the reason to "punish" the rich (who currently pay 94% of all Federal taxes), surrender in Iraq (doesn't know how to do that either), refuses to meet our wounded warriors (after promising them he would)., will meet with every nut case running a two bit country around the world with no "pre-conditions", then blames all his failures on his own staff, supporters, Bush, or the Pentagon.

It appears it is never Obama's fault.  praise 

Obama has two campaigns themes:

"Change" and "Yes, we can"  santahat 

"Change" is not always an improvement over the current situation, nor is it alway the best way to go. "Change" can be a negitive.  redflag 

"Yes we can". Can we drill for oil? "No, we can't".
"Yes we can". Can we win the GWOT? "No, we can't".
"Yes we can". Can we lower energy costs? "No, we can't".
"Yes we can". Do you have a plan for Social Security? "No, I don't".
"Yes, we can". Can we have a gasoline tax moritorium? "No".
"Yes, we can" Will you work with the new Congress? "Yes, we already solved the Baseball Steroids problem.

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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:15 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
Yay! Now if they were going to raise taxes a bit and not increase spending that might be another story.

I think taxes will go up, no matter who is president. Mr. McCain isn't an ideologue, and I think, once in the WH, either man will realize, with the deficits left to them by Mr. Bush, and a sagging economy, taxes will have to go up.

I don't scream and yell if that happens, because if we're ever going to pay for what we want-even if we cut out some entitlements-and we do need to cut some out-revenue has to be increased. Cutting all loopholes would help a lot, but there's still probably going to be a continued shortfall.

See the interesting thing is that Tax Revenues after the Bush tax cuts went up..Causation or Correlation I am not sure.

However, the economy is winding down at least for awhile, and I agree the level of spending is crazy and borrowing is even dumber.

I agree..I think IF McCain wins, he's going to pull a Mitt Romney and raise every fee out there, close loopholes, and maybe very quietly agree with the democrats to allow the Bush Tax cuts to lapse and then engage in some sort of PR campaign saying it wasn't his fault and they'll share the blame.

I know you don't like McCain and that is fair but the guy does know how to work with Democrats..He's putting on this hardass image to pander to the GOP base.
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:23 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 24):
Actually, JFK was only an average speaker

JFK was a better speaker than either Reagan or Clinton. He could elicit an ethos that neither Reagan or Clinton could, even as good as they were in public speaking. Plus, Ted Sorensen, JFK's speech writer, was one of the best of all time, and Kennedy knew how to deliver one of Sorenson's speeches.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 25):
See the interesting thing is that Tax Revenues after the Bush tax cuts went up..Causation or Correlation I am not sure.

Weren't a lot of loopholes eliminated? If they were, that's what we need more of. But we need them ALL eliminated, and THEN, after that, we need to look at the tax rates to see if they need adjusting.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:27 pm



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Reagan did fine when he was elected in 1980, at age 71 mind you. At least McCain can finish what he's saying, unlike Obomba the twit.

He's the equivalant of Al Sharpton,

Wouldn't say he is that low but you make a good point.
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RE: Obama Without A Teleprompter-In Townhall Setting!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:38 pm



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 18):
Must suck, when you have to resort to such 'cheap shots' in order to justify a vote against any opposing candidate.

There not cheap shots! The only reason why legitimate accusations are having a hard time getting traction, is because the liberal media provides political cover for Obama! If a Conservative had a relationship similar to the one Obama had with Rev. Wright, the conservative/Republican would be toast! The Liberal media, would be all over it, and would not cease until there victim was eradicated!

Oh, and AviationMaster, Mr Obama is running for office over here, in America, not in the EU! Maybe someone should mention this to Obama!  rotfl 

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
You never answered my question about how immigrant families such as mine can do so well in this country and Americans who are here seemingly excel at racking up debt and buying houses they can't afford...

Sv7887,
You expect someone to admit they're spoiled and lazy! Plain and simple, they're whiners!!! When a liberal comes along and says he'll give them something for nothing and it's the the Evil republicans fault, these lazy asses fall for it hook line and sinker!

Every day at my job, I see legal immigrants work their butts off , utilize the system America has in place for one to prosper, and they do. And don't give me this crap they all get these loans. They work hard, don't bitch and moan, given enough time they prosper, then send their kids to college! Most immigrants see what America has to offer and the vast opportunities as well, but too many lazy, spoiled Americans, expect everything to be given to them!

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Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
Oh, 69. Biiiiiig difference.

Lets be accurate, instead just throwing a number out there. Remember also it was Reagan's third attempt at getting elected president.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):

Reagan did fine when he was elected in 1980,

According to your profile you moved to the states in 1987..

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
unlike Obomba the twit.

He's the equivalant of Al Sharpton,

Boy you're sure full of hate towards him aren't you?

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
several thousand dollars of my money in contributions.

As Falcon stated, it's your money..just be careful of not violating the law regarding the amount you can donate.
 
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Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
At least McCain can finish what he's saying, unlike Obomba the twit.

you sure about that? he'll stumble into the abyss and not finish what he's saying a lot of the times.

or finish with something wrong and then correct himself.



of course it's only a big deal to those who make it a big deal.
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Quoting Platypus (Reply 28):
Every day at my job, I see legal immigrants work their butts off , utilize the system America has in place for one to prosper, and they do. And don't give me this crap they all get these loans. They work hard, don't bitch and moan, given enough time they prosper, then send their kids to college! Most immigrants see what America has to offer and the vast opportunities as well, but too many lazy, spoiled Americans, expect everything to be given to them!

That is pretty much our story...My dad came in 1981 and didn't have much in the bank. We just lived pretty simply our whole lives, he worked his ass off despite having cancer in every part of his body and refused to go on disability or Social Security even when his doctors urged him to. He even worked on the last week of his life despite being in excruciating pain that even Oxycontin or direct radiation to the bone couldn't stop.

He instilled the same work ethics in me..He told me, "Your job is to get A's, contribute at home, and not cause any trouble. No excuses" If I brought home a B or even a B+ I knew I was going to get smacked.

If I wasn't sitting on the living room table by 7:30 PM every night I was in deep shit. No TV, no parties, no cellphones, no iPod, nothing. The basics were provided, every other cent was put into a fund for college.

We bought the cheapest house in town and it was falling apart. We slowly rebuilt it, some of it we did ourselves. We never went on vacations, went to fancy malls, or ate out much. He drove used Buicks that he could pay cash for...Once he got promoted into management he finally bought himself a used Lexus...

My dad invested his money carefully, worked hard, saved like hell to pay off the mortgage 15 yrs early and through loans, a partial scholarship, a part time job, and his generous contributions I got through college.

But even then if I came home with anything less than a 3.5/4.0 I knew he would decrease his contribution to my tuition. No Spring break, no "finding myself", no partying. It was Work, Study, and Work some more.

So after all that work he died a millionaire a few months ago. Today, because of my education and work ethic my salary approaches six figures at the age of 25. I work over 70 hrs a week without complaint and take my work home with me on the weekends without being asked. I max out my 401K every year because I know retirement is important. I don't go on vacations, I still won't go partying, and I don't waste money on frivolous stuff except for a nice car..

So what's our crime? Did we steal our money? Did we somehow not deserve to have it?
I don't see how that makes me evil. I get annoyed with Americans complaining about legal immigration or how they moan about how "hard" it is...Get a job, get a work ethic and stop complaining...

Quoting AirCop (Reply 30):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 6):
several thousand dollars of my money in contributions.

As Falcon stated, it's your money..just be careful of not violating the law regarding the amount you can donate.

Well you're right. the first $2400 goes to McCain directly, and then up to 24K'ish to the RNC "Victory Fund"
 
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 31):

i'm touched.

but how neat it reminds of a certain Democratic senator.
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Sv7887,

Sorry for your lose! Keep up the good work and welcome to my RU list!  bigthumbsup 

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Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:18 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 31):
Today, because of my education and work ethic my salary approaches six figures at the age of 25.

Very good..  bigthumbsup  But as a per hour rate, (70hrs week) it's good but not that great.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 31):
I don't go on vacations,

I would suggest you still have to take breaks from work, or you're going to get brunt out. And if you ever have a significant other and a family..

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 31):
frivolous stuff except for a nice car..

You're right nice cars are frivolous, for me, it something to get me to from point A to point B as cheap as possible.
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:22 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
Very good.. But as a per hour rate, (70hrs week) it's good but not that great.

70 hours a week and weekends?
that salary is a joke.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
I would suggest you still have to take breaks from work, or you're going to get brunt out. And if you ever have a significant other and a family..

screw the family.
time off for yourself is a godsend.
hence why i do 4 weeks of vacation a year.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:26 pm



Quoting STLGph (Reply 32):
but how neat it reminds of a certain Democratic senator.

Senator Obama deserves kudos for overcoming his father's absence and making it to Harvard. I would think his mother deserves the most credit much like my own father does for me. But still, Senator Obama overcame a lot in life and he should be recognized for it.

Same goes for Senator McCain..Slightly different story, but McCain could have taken the easy way out in life. He didn't. I am sure his dad could have kept him out of Vietnam and put him in some cushy job. McCain went, got shot down, and despite being horrifically injured refused early release, even when a superior officer urged him to accept it. That takes guts.

I personally like Bill Clinton's rise because it was just so remarkable considering where he started from. Okay he likes to fool around, but the man is driven and damned smart.

Don't get me wrong..Senator Obama is intelligent and remarkably accomplished. I am sure he is a great person to be around and he has a lot to offer.

I don't like his brand of politics. If he is Liberal, fine be Liberal but be Consistent! Take Ted Kennedy. He's consistently Liberal. Love him or hate him, you have to respect that. You know where he stands and in his own way he does try to do the right thing for his supporters.

It seems that today's politician, be it Obama, Romney, and others just tailor their message to the public's mood.

Quoting Platypus (Reply 33):
Sv7887,

Sorry for your lose! Keep up the good work and welcome to my RU list! bigthumbsup

Thanks! The last months have been rough...Oddly enough even though I am in Corporate America they refused to let me resign after my dad died. When he died suddenly, I immediately offered my resignation and to return their signing bonus (I just had started two weeks before) but they would have none of it...

People have a heart in this country and that's why I like it here.

-Sam
 
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 35):
70 hours a week and weekends?
that salary is a joke.

Well I choose to take my work home with me..But you're right. It however is a job and I am lucky to have one in this kind of economy.

They do pay full medical, disability, and 50 cents on the dollar match. Plus 2 weeks off in December plus 3 additional weeks of vacation.

So it is a decent lifestyle.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 35):
screw the family.
time off for yourself is a godsend.
hence why i do 4 weeks of vacation a year.

LOL! I don't get any time off, because I have to take care of all the house stuff. It's just my mother and I now and she needs a ton of help b/c she's sick too.

I don't mind though and in fact I am proud to do it. Haven't gotten a girlfriend yet, its hard for most girls to understand my situation and why I am so serious about life. I don't blame them.
 
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 23):
my "snide" comment isn't more "offensive" than the Mission Accomplished banner and show GWB put on...It was all about political grandstanding...

Oh, I dunno about that. Whatever his other faults may be at least we know Bush is a family man and presumably not a pedophile. He's also not a bleached out dandified negro pop star of uncertain predilections whose best days are behind him.

So I was wondering why you did not pick, say, Gene Simmons or Eddie Van Halen or even David Bowie?
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 37):
Whatever his other faults may be at least we know Bush is a family man and presumably not a pedophile. He's also not a bleached out dandified negro pop star of uncertain predilections whose best days are behind him.

So I was wondering why you did not pick, say, Gene Simmons or Eddie Van Halen or even David Bowie?

Oh I didn't mean it like that at all. I am actually a fan of Michael Jackson's music, and the person when he wasn't insane..It was more of a compliment than anything.

MJ is something beyond human now..I don't even understand it. But in his hey day and before he went insane he was a good guy.
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:12 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 31):
So after all that work he died a millionaire a few months ago. Today, because of my education and work ethic my salary approaches six figures at the age of 25. I work over 70 hrs a week without complaint and take my work home with me on the weekends without being asked. I max out my 401K every year because I know retirement is important. I don't go on vacations, I still won't go partying, and I don't waste money on frivolous stuff except for a nice car..

Your dad obviously bestowed a fabulous work ethic on you and you are justifiably proud of that. But take some far-off fatherly advice; slow down a little. I worked like that in my 20s-30s and damn-near wrecked my health and my marriage. I'd hate to see you keel over in your 50s from a stress-induced heart attack, with an over-flowing 401K for someone else to enjoy. Life is short enough as it is.  bigthumbsup 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:26 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 23):
He's a RFK wannabe, same kind of crowds, and not even 1% of the moral character RFK had.

I don't think you know much about RFK or his moral character or the lack thereof. You probably wouldn't say that had you studied his casual approach to the bonds of matrimon character and his chameleonlike presence in the pay of Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 41):
I don't think you know much about RFK or his moral character or the lack thereof. You probably wouldn't say that had you studied his casual approach to the bonds of matrimon character and his chameleonlike presence in the pay of Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy.

I've read quite a few biographies. But that does outweigh his pushing of JFK on the Civil Rights Movement, his efforts to get the jailed Cuban exiles released, early opposition to the Vietnam War and the genuine support of workers rights, minorities, and his efforts as a NY senator to try and do something for the Black community?

There is no doubt RFK was a ruthless shrewd man, and was clearly his brother's attack dog. But..there was some moral decency with the Kennedy's towards the common man.

I don't agree with Ted Kennedy at all, but the man has done wonders for the working citizens of MA. Sure the Big Dig was an ungodly waste of money, but how many jobs did that create?

You are right on the McCarthy issue, but the sad news is that all politicians are flawed. I admire President Reagan, but I don't admire his stance on Iran Contra. I didn't like the fact he didn't have the foresight to see Afghani rebels they used to defeat the Russians would turn on the US.
 
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Quoting Platypus (Reply 28):

Oh, and AviationMaster, Mr Obama is running for office over here, in America, not in the EU! Maybe someone should mention this to Obama! rotfl

The EU? Do we care about the EU? When was the last time we were even in the EU?  rotfl 

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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 38):

i suggest you hit a happy hour. today.
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 30):
Lets be accurate, instead just throwing a number out there. Remember also it was Reagan's third attempt at getting elected president.

Well you're a regular canary in a coalmine

Quoting AirCop (Reply 30):
According to your profile you moved to the states in 1987..

This may come as a shock to you, but we had a television in England, even as the feeble stone-age creatures as we may look like to you. We even had 3 channels to choose from. And the US's closest ally, we did keep up to date on the US presidential election after just having an election of our own just a few months earlier

Quoting AirCop (Reply 30):
Boy you're sure full of hate towards him aren't you?

First off, it isn't hate. I don't know Obama, and you can't hate someone you don't know. 2nd of of all, There is only one part of Obama I don't like, his politics. I'm sure if I met the guy, I would be dazzled for sure. His charisma is undoubtedly a weapon for him. But as most of Americans will, I look past the "inspiring" or yet breath-taking speeches as nothing more that just a ploy. I don't trust the guy any farther than I can throw him. He has less than one term in the Senate. He has little or no record for all of his 140-something days in the Senate. He lost bigtime when he tried to win a house seat in a legitimate election campaign for which he's never really won a real election without pulling some stunt, and he's trying, along with the help of media, to do it again. So that's what I truly feel about Obama. It's got nothing to with hate. That may be difficult for you to understand.
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To the outsider, it is just amazing how vitriolic Americans are about some of their more successful politicians. And in some cases amazingly forgiving of many more palpable sins of commission.  boggled  Dougloid's comments make a welcome change from the upps (unduly partisan posts).

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 23):
my "snide" comment isn't more "offensive" than the Mission Accomplished banner and show GWB put on...It was all about political grandstanding...

Coming after the Jackson comments now I am totally bewildered. Is that a suggestion that sticking up a sign with a clearly identifiable meaning is justified if you can point out that within a more restricted context the sign just might be true?

That anyone having doubts as to the intent of the sign is "snide" seems a leap too far.

Do you then accept that if this is the case, Bush would have to explain the real meaning of all his statements and all the backgrounds? Just in case.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 41):
I don't think you know much about RFK or his moral character or the lack thereof. You probably wouldn't say that had you studied his casual approach to the bonds of matrimon character and his chameleonlike presence in the pay of Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy.

A point well taken. Unsaintly as Ted may have been stated to be on a.net, he is about as saintly as most of the other members of the clan, with the exception of course of the father. Not that RFK did not have his positives, most of them did, although I cannot think what Joseph's would have been.  angel 
 
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:52 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 39):
MJ is something beyond human now..I don't even understand it. But in his hey day and before he went insane he was a good guy.

Well, there was talent to spare in that family, but never in the course of human events has more talent been wasted on weak material and insipid pop music.Thriller was a loooooooong time ago. And that was before Mikey decided that looking like a turd with the shit scraped off was a good thing.
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Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:07 pm

First of all, JetJack, Ronald Reagan was a family acquaintance dating back to 1970 when he appointed my dad to a state board. Met him on a few occasions, on my first protective service detail at the Oxnard naval station, he spotted me in the line of officers and shook my hand in front of everyone, and yes his ranch above Santa Barbara was a special place. Even voted for him twice.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 45):
I don't trust the guy any farther than I can throw him.

And I'll say the same about McCain, this guy voting record on veteran's issues and his personal ethics alone should make you question your support.

I really don't understand your support of any Republican candidate that comes down the road. I can recall several of your treads that you complained over and over how your employer was cutting your wages and benefits, and yet it's the Republicans that are trying to limit any power the unions still have. Maybe Carl Ichan was right, no need to deal with unions of unskilled workers, they can be replaced quickly..(TWA comes to mind).

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 45):
His charisma is undoubtedly a weapon for him.

Charisma and the ability to speak is very important for any leader, without it you won't get people to follow. George Bush the first had the best resume of any United States President in the 20th Century and he "failed" due to his lack of charisma. (Please note that he also lost big time when he ran for the Senate). Ronald Reagan had the charisma and people followed although he had zero experience in international affairs. Ditto for FDR,and JFK. LBJ, Carter and Nixon didn't have it, and look at their place in history.

Speaking on the stump can be very difficult, I suppose if Playtpus every asked a teacher, lawyer, motivational speaker, at times the train of thought just goes for a second or two.
 
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 48):
First of all, JetJack, Ronald Reagan was a family acquaintance dating back to 1970 when he appointed my dad to a state board. Met him on a few occasions, on my first protective service detail at the Oxnard naval station, he spotted me in the line of officers and shook my hand in front of everyone, and yes his ranch above Santa Barbara was a special place. Even voted for him twice.

The sine qua non for a good politician is a photographic memory and instant recall. Back in the day I was living in southwest Michigan and on July 4 the representative from that district (used to be David Stockman's for what that's worth) came up and introduced himself. I introduced myself.

Eight months later I was getting on a Republic DC9 in AZO for a trip somewhere and he was sitting on an aisle seat, looked right at me and said "Hi Robert. How are things in Schoolcraft?"
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