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2009 Ford Ka - What Kind Of Ka Is That?

Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:55 pm

The European Ford Ka is finally being updated, after being sold in its previous version for 12 years and having sold well over one million units. The new Ka is a joint engineering partnership with Fiat, and is mechanically identical to the new Fiat 500. Ford will offer gasoline and diesel engines ranging from 1.2 to 1.4 liters. The 1.2 liter Fiat engine, will produce 69 horsepower. The 100hp Fiat 1.4-liter will be optional, and a 1.3-liter diesel will be first diesel Ka ever manufactured. Ford is also considering a turbocharged 900cc inline-2 that will be the emissions and fuel economy winner of the line-up.

2009 Ford Ka


The interior will appeal to the younger buyers that the car is primarily marketed to, and includes iPod and other MP3 player connections with the option of Bluetooth wireless connections for phones and other devices. The gear shift will be placed on the dashboard and a sharp focus will be placed on improving interior ergonomics.

2009 Ford Ka


A performance oriented Ka ST is thought to be in the works, and a top of the line RS model is still considered a possibility. Ford has not said whether the Ka will be offered for sale in North America, although it is reported to be a strong possibility since Mercedes-Benz executives recently confirmed that Mercedes will offer both A-class and B-class vehicles in North America beginning in 2011 and both GM and Chrysler have stated they will offer A-class sized vehicles in the U.S. in the next few years.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-ka.html

Personally, I'd take this Ford over a Smart car or a Chevy Aveo in a second! Your thoughts, fellow micro-car motorheads?  crazy 

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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:03 pm

That 1.4 version will go like stink, make you feel like you're in a Go-Kart and be hilarious to drive. The current model itself is great to drive for such a small car.
 
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:06 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
2009 Ford Ka - What Kind Of Ka Is That?  

God help someone if they get nailed by a truck in that thing...
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:10 pm

It sure shouldnt look worse than the old one, particularly those awful huge plastic bumpers.
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:11 pm

I think I just scraped one of those out of my wheelwell the other day...
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:14 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
God help someone if they get nailed by a truck in that thing...

Hehe true, but only if the owner of the truck can afford to put enough gas in it to get it on the road in the first place 

I really hope Ford brings its Euro line to North America. Maybe the Ka might be a little small right now. But as the trend in North America parallel's Europe more and more, perhaps in a few years we'll be ready for a car like the Ka.


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Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
he interior will appeal to the younger buyers that the car is primarily marketed to

Urgh - what has Ford done?!

And so who's the exterior targeted at?!
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:34 pm



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
really hope Ford brings its Euro line to North America. Maybe the Ka might be a little small right now. But as the trend in North America parallel's Europe more and more, perhaps in a few years we'll be ready for a car like the Ka.

Ford is going to produce the new European Fiesta in Mexico for the North American auto markets, and the European Focus will replace the homely American Focus model by 2011. They are considering replacing the Escape with the Kuga as well.

Now if we could only get Ford to send us the Aussie Falcon to replace the Crown Vic/Marquis....
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:44 pm

The new Ka looks like the new Focus at the front, but with a very short bonnet

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 7):
Now if we could only get Ford to send us the Aussie Falcon to replace the Crown Vic/Marquis....

But the USA won't be able to enjoy their love of V8 engines as the Ford Falcon won't be produced with a V8 engine shortly
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Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:54 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
But the USA won't be able to enjoy their love of V8 engines as the Ford Falcon won't be produced with a V8 engine shortly

I'd be quite happy with the Falcon XR6 Turbo with 362 horsepower and 393 lbs/ft torque   

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:04 am

It makes a nice Easter egg.
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Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Hehe true, but only if the owner of the truck can afford to put enough gas in it to get it on the road in the first place

Especially since the new Ka will get slightly better fuel mileage - the current 1.3 liter gasoline version of Ka gets 44 mpg in mixed driving, and as high as 50 mpg on the "motorway" according to Ka owners. http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Ford_Ka.html
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:13 am

Where's the name "Ka" coming from?

Is that what it's now marketed under?

Not so brilliant a name if you ask me.

But it'd work ok in Boston, where most people do pronounce 'car' as 'ka'...

But two of them together would be Ford Ka Ka!

Here, that's a word used for human waste, not a famous soccer player.
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:35 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Where's the name "Ka" coming from?

Is that what it's now marketed under?


In Latin, 'ka" means "to serve"

Ford introduced the original Ka in 1996 and has marketed it in Europe, South America, and Mexico - the original version has sold 1.4 million units over the past 12 years.

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Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:36 am

You may mock but I can bet this would sell extremely well with correct marketing. The price of petrol at the moment is ridiculous and an economical vehicle such as the Ka could be a small bit of genius for the US...

That's my opinion...
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:44 am

Wait 'til you see the Michael Palin "K-K-K-Ken" edition.

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From what I understand Ford was set to introduce its European compacts in the US next year.
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Quoting Luisca (Reply 16):
From what I understand Ford was set to introduce its European compacts in the US next year.

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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
God help someone if they get nailed by a truck in that thing...

That actually had to come from our fellow American Anetters.

I actually reckon your survival chances if you get hit by a truck are always pretty low.

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Quoting Jush (Reply 18):
That actually had to come from our fellow American Anetters.

I see your point, but it is a real issue in the US: most people feel the smaller the car, the less safe it is. Most people will only downsize when it becomes financially impracticle to run a larger car.

The petroleum suppliers are enjoying record incomes, but they are also setting a lot of forces in motion based on the high price of petroleum.

Quoting Jush (Reply 18):
I actually reckon your survival chances if you get hit by a truck are always pretty low.

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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 3):
It sure shouldnt look worse than the old one, particularly those awful huge plastic bumpers.

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Anything will be better than the older version:
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I wouldn’t mind getting one of those with the Diesel in a few years here on Autobahnland.  Smile
 
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Quoting Jush (Reply 18):
That actually had to come from our fellow American Anetters

Yep  sarcastic 

Quoting Jush (Reply 18):
I actually reckon your survival chances if you get hit by a truck are always pretty low.

Id rather something with a bit more metal surrounding me. Get hit in one of those, they probably pick you up with a sponge.... On that note, You would be surprised the truck-car accidents where there are survivors. Oddly, not as many in small cars...
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 22):
Id rather something with a bit more metal surrounding me. Get hit in one of those, they probably pick you up with a sponge.... On that note, You would be surprised the truck-car accidents where there are survivors. Oddly, not as many in small cars...

Well yeah that is statistically true. When I wrote this I had a side accident in mind. There your chance of survival is limited in every car.

You might have a bit of a better chance to survive a tail hit in a light pickup than a small car. That, however, still depends a lot on velocity.

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Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 6):
And so who's the exterior targeted at?!

Women. I don't recall at any point having seen anyone other than women driving the current model.
 
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Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:52 pm

Will Ford offer the Ka here in the USA? I think based on what Ford said recently about its revamped product line, I think the answer is a loud and emphatic YES!

Mind you, the US model will be slightly longer to accommodate NHTSA-compliant bumpers and may use the 1.3-liter engine from Mazda2 hatchback now on sale in Japan and western Europe. By the time it arrives in the USA by 2010 calendar year, it may offer the new six-speed Powershift dual-clutch transmission, too. I'd buy such a car in no time flat.  bigthumbsup 
 
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Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 9):
I'd be quite happy with the Falcon XR6 Turbo with 362 horsepower and 393 lbs/ft torque

Oh yes the XR6 Turbo. The XR6 Turbo is fast becoming the XR8 type power car of choice here in New Zealand and Australia due to its more economical engine, even though the XR6 Turbo creates more power. Give me the GM owned Holden Commodore or Holden Commodore HSV, especially the sleek looking Holden Commodore Sportswagon anyday.

The new Ka and Fiesta models are now based on the new Ford Mondeo design which recently went on sale here. All European designed Fords are now being based on the Mondeo design
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 26):
The new Ka and Fiesta models are now based on the new Ford Mondeo design which recently went on sale here. All European designed Fords are now being based on the Mondeo design

It's actually a design style Ford calls Kinetic, which has been around since the current European Ford Focus arrived. You see this type of styling especially on the new Fiesta and Ka models.
 
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
God help someone if they get nailed by a truck in that thing...

It could be worse. You could be sitting in one of those Chinese copycat cars, which will collapse in any kind of accident.

I currently have no VPN from work (which means I can't access Youtube ATM), so I suggest you look for chinese car crash tests on Youtube. The German automobile club ADAC made a few crashtests of Chinese cars and the results were shocking at best.
 
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):

God help someone if they get nailed by a truck in that thing...

Congratulations on not knowing much about how car safety works.
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:11 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28):
It could be worse. You could be sitting in one of those Chinese copycat cars, which will collapse in any kind of accident.

Haha yeah. Those things are worse then pintos doused in kerosene...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Congratulations on not knowing much about how car safety works.

So you mean to tell me if one of these "cars" got hit by, say, a suburban the occupants would fare better then a people in say, a ford Taurus?



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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 30):
So tell me is there anything you dont know? Becasue you seem to know everything about cars and sports and, well just about anything.

He's a lawyer...
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 30):
So you mean to tell me if one of these "cars" got hit by, say, a suburban the occupants would fare better then a people in say, a ford Taurus?

Well, the Taurus has similar ratings to those of the MINI Cooper, which is just a bit bigger than the Ka. Meanwhile, the MINI Cooper scores significantly better than the "big, with lots of metal" Ford Explorer SUV.

Actually, here is an even better one. The Smart Fortwo, which is smaller than a Ford Ka, has nearly perfect IIHS ratings.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
tually, here is an even better one. The Smart Fortwo, which is smaller than a Ford Ka, has nearly perfect IIHS ratings.

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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 33):

And? The car did its job. Like they said, it wouldn't matter what you were driving if you decelerated that quickly, because of what would happen to your internal organs.
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Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 14):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Where's the name "Ka" coming from?

Is that what it's now marketed under?



In Latin, 'ka" means "to serve"

I've only found two meanings for the term "ka" one of which means "an unknown god" and the other is an ancient Egyptian term for "soul" or "spirit". There are a number of more or less unsavory terms for which 'K.A.' could be an acronym; "kick ass" comes to mind.

Words by William Whitaker is a 39,000 word dictionary of latin terms and the term ka does not appear there.

The Latin verb for 'to serve' is likely 'ministro'.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Like they said, it wouldn't matter what you were driving if you decelerated that quickly, because of what would happen to your internal organs.

Correct, but you'd also be dead. So how is that a safe car? Hell, looking at that video, looks like if you hit something in a smart, there go your legs...
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 36):

Here you go:



Now compare these results to the IIHS test of a few SUV's. Notice that side impact airbags are standard on the SMART and not so on many of these SUV's. Notice the poor rear impact rating of most of the SUV's as well. The video is a little long, but detailed.




I guess bigger isn't necessarily safer...
 
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:27 pm

In the first video I posted, the IIHS guy totally contradicts what he says at the beginning, and their own test results of SUV's in the second video. How can they rate a car higher than the SUV but then say that SUV's are safer? Especially mentioned Electronic Stability Control. Something fishy there...
 
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Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:41 pm

Interesting videos, that said.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 37):
I guess bigger isn't necessarily safer...

Quoting from the first video "Smaller lighter vehicles do not protect as well as larger heavier vehicles"

Even after watching the video, this may be just a mental thing for me, but if I were in an accident, I would feel safer in our F-250 then I would our Cobalt.
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Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 38):
In the first video I posted, the IIHS guy totally contradicts what he says at the beginning, and their own test results of SUV's in the second video. How can they rate a car higher than the SUV but then say that SUV's are safer? Especially mentioned Electronic Stability Control. Something fishy there...

Heh, just notcied that too
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Actually, here is an even better one. The Smart Fortwo, which is smaller than a Ford Ka, has nearly perfect IIHS ratings.

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Head curtain and side impact airbags help protect the driver and passenger alot in smaller vehicles - as do electronic safety systems such as four wheel anti-lock brakes, traction control, and stability control.
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 36):

Correct, but you'd also be dead. So how is that a safe car?

No car/truck/SUV is safe in that test.
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Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The European Ford Ka is finally being updated, after being sold in its previous version for 12 years and having sold well over one million units. The new Ka is a joint engineering partnership with Fiat, and is mechanically identical to the new Fiat 500. Ford will offer gasoline and diesel engines ranging from 1.2 to 1.4 liters. The 1.2 liter Fiat engine, will produce 69 horsepower. The 100hp Fiat 1.4-liter will be optional, and a 1.3-liter diesel will be first diesel Ka ever manufactured. Ford is also considering a turbocharged 900cc inline-2 that will be the emissions and fuel economy winner of the line-up.

It seems the new Ka will be made in Poland in Fiat's plant rather than in Spain in Ford's own plant (makes sense, as platform and engines will all be Fiat).

They'd better price it aggressively, as the 500 looks way better (IMHO, at least).

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