Transpac787
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Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:14 am

Hey all,

I suppose the lawyers/court wouldn't look too kindly on it if I gave many/any details, but I've been subpoenaed to testify as a witness in a federal criminal case. Suffice to say, this is my first (and hopefully only!) time doing this type of thing. I've spoken with the lawyers on the phone a few times and they say they do not yet know when they're going to call me to testify, so my question is this:

Since it is a federal case I'll be testifying in, is my employer required to give me the day off, similar to jury duty??

I already asked my boss and he gave me a quick and asshole response of "No, you need to trade your shift off". I'm hoping this isn't the case because it's somewhat hard for me to arrange last-minute trades at work.

Anyhow, any info and input would be MUCH appreciated!!
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:57 am

I am no lawyer but I'd say that your employer has no choice. It's not even your problem. You won't get paid for the day off like jury duty but as far as I'm concerned, you can tell your boss to stuff his demand for a shift trade where the sun don't shine.

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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:06 am

Just ignore it and claim executive privilege.
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:29 am

It depends on your state. Some states have no law about this. Others require that your employer gives you the day off without pay and you can ask the entity that you are testifying for for a stipend and mileage reimbursement. Call your Attorney General or the Court for the best info.
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:32 am

What does "subpoena" mean? My English judicial vocabulary is not very good.

Thanks in advance for explaining and best of luck to the A.netter who posted the topic. I hope you will find what you need.
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:36 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
What does "subpoena" mean? My English judicial vocabulary is not very good.

I'm no lawyer, but that means a court has ordered you to testify and you must testify otherwise you will face being punished.
 
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Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:39 am

Thank you very much for your answer, Elite.  Smile
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:53 am

To the OP, good luck in court! Generally, as previously stated it's more advantageous to go to court than to work on that day . I did find here, in section "C" subparagraph 1, that basically says that the party that issued you the subpoena must take steps as to make it so you do not have undue expense or burden. Perhaps if the original date does not work out, you all can work out another day to have your brain picked under oath

I do not have much law experience, (moot/mock/youth court- does it count?), but yes it can be a scary thing, to be subpoenaed (its not a terribly bad thing and you get insight into our court system!) but at least you're not the defendant!

Again, best of luck!!
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Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:09 pm



Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 1):

Not if you want to keep your job!
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:12 pm



Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 7):
I always make tyops

Classic!
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:36 pm

Is there such a thing as a superpoena?

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I already asked my boss

Do you work for a big enough company to have an HR department? If so they would give you the real answer and it is more likely to be to your liking. I know my HR folks would then followup by sending a memo around to all the supervisors reminding them of...
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:23 pm

For jury duty I've seen your allowed up to 5 days off work with pay, after that, it's the courts day rate. If it's only a day and your actually a witness for a federal trial, I'd be inclined to believe your allowed off at least scott free. However I believe your supposed to receive pay for your loss of time. If people didn't get their pay, absolutely no one would go to jury duty.
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:26 am



Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 11):
If people didn't get their pay, absolutely no one would go to jury duty.

I suppose that's because being held in contempt of court with possible fines and/or jail time wouldn't be an incentive to show up...  Wow!
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:31 am

Make sure you tell the truth!
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:54 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I've spoken with the lawyers on the phone a few times and they say they do not yet know when they're going to call me to testify,

Huh?
Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure
IV. ARRAIGNMENT AND PREPARATION FOR TRIAL
Rule 17
Paragraph A.
A subpoena must state the court's name and the title of the proceeding, include the seal of the court, and command the witness to attend and testify at the time and place the subpoena specifies...

How on Earth can you get served a Federal Subponea and not have a time and date on it?
I've never heard of such a thing.
The best advice I can give is look into hiring an attorney to file a non-party Motion to Quash Subpoena.
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:09 am



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 14):
How on Earth can you get served a Federal Subponea and not have a time and date on it?
I've never heard of such a thing.
The best advice I can give is look into hiring an attorney to file a non-party Motion to Quash Subpoena.

There is a date and time on it, but they said I don't need to appear then, and they're not sure when they want me to appear.

Like I said, this is my first and hopefully only time doing this, so I really have NO idea what's going on!!

Also, no way in all of hellfire I can hire an attourney (even if I wanted to!!)... my wallet is thin as it is going to school  Wink
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:10 am



Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 7):
I did find here, in section "C" subparagraph 1, that basically says that the party that issued you the subpoena must take steps as to make it so you do not have undue expense or burden. Perhaps if the original date does not work out, you all can work out another day to have your brain picked under oath

Unfortunately those are the rules of civil procedure. This is a criminal case.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 14):
The best advice I can give is look into hiring an attorney to file a non-party Motion to Quash Subpoena.



Great idea there....spend $300 an hour for an attorney to file a bogus motion that'll be slam dunked by the party who wants your testimony because you're going to miss a day's work? I mean, I'd take your money but you'd be wasting it.

On what basis would you move to quash? Why would you think you could avoid testifying in a criminal case if you are subpoenaed? What reasons would you advance?

Simply stated, when you are subpoenaed you are under the power of the court to compel your testimony, or to be held in contempt. Typically you get called for the entire trial, you sit out in the hall reading comic books until you're called, you answer the questions truthfully and to the best of your ability and your boss, whomever he is, likes it or lumps it.

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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:14 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
On what basis would you move to quash?

My basis was that it was improperly filed. I was assuming from the thread starter that there was no date on the subpoena, since he didn't know when he would have to testify.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
Why would you think you could avoid testifying in a criminal case if you are subpoenaed? What reasons would you advance?

I don't, I assumed that the subpoena was improperly filed without a date.
But on the civil side I could see many reasons like;
Privileged or confidential information, The subpoena is too vague, Inadequate time to respond, Burdensome travel, etc..
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:55 am



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 17):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
On what basis would you move to quash?

My basis was that it was improperly filed. I was assuming from the thread starter that there was no date on the subpoena, since he didn't know when he would have to testify.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 16):
Why would you think you could avoid testifying in a criminal case if you are subpoenaed? What reasons would you advance?

I don't, I assumed that the subpoena was improperly filed without a date.
But on the civil side I could see many reasons like;
Privileged or confidential information, The subpoena is too vague, Inadequate time to respond, Burdensome travel, etc..

No offense, but I'm hiring Dougloid to represent me...  Big grin
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Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:44 pm



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 17):
I don't, I assumed that the subpoena was improperly filed without a date.
But on the civil side I could see many reasons like;
Privileged or confidential information, The subpoena is too vague, Inadequate time to respond, Burdensome travel, etc..

what he said was that the lawyers had not yet told him when he is going to testify.

The subpoena would of course say "be at ________ on _________". That's plenty enough. They don't give you an hour and minute because nobody can predict the course of a trial.

So let's assume for a minute that you hired a $300 per hour lawyer to move to quash this subpoena and you advanced all that as your reasoning. The judge would pen in the numbers, hand it back to you and say "here's your date and time. Your client can make his objections about privilege at trial and I'll rule from the bench. Your client is not being asked to testify about something he doesn't know about so your objections about an inadequate time to respond are pointless. Your client lives in the district and has a car. Let's move on to more important matters, counselor."
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:59 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
"here's your date and time. Your client can make his objections about privilege at trial and I'll rule from the bench. Your client is not being asked to testify about something he doesn't know about so your objections about an inadequate time to respond are pointless. Your client lives in the district and has a car. Let's move on to more important matters, counselor."

And the judge would also file away in the back of his mind that Attorney so-and-so just completely wasted his time on a Motion to Quash that had no basis. The next time Attorney so-and-so appears before said judge, he will have already lost credibility...  Cool
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:36 pm



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 14):
The best advice I can give is look into hiring an attorney to file a non-party Motion to Quash Subpoena.

And my advice to you would be to avoid giving out legal advice.
 
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RE: Need Help/info: I've Been Subpoenaed!

Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:55 pm



Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 11):
For jury duty I've seen your allowed up to 5 days off work with

I don't know of anywhere that non-public employers are forced to give any paid time off for jury duty or otherwise. On the other hand, there is no jurisdiction I know of where you can lose your job for going to jury duty or having to testify under subpoena.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 12):
I suppose that's because being held in contempt of court with possible fines and/or jail time wouldn't be an incentive to show up...



Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 11):
If people didn't get their pay, absolutely no one would go to jury duty.

I think MaidensGator's response is the best one there. I really don't think a day's pay, or whatever, is worth going to jail/getting fined over.
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