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Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:25 am

I know this does sound far-fetched, but I've heard a lot of stuff about things like this for awhile, and considering Bush only has a couple of months left in office and seems to be doing all the things he can in the time he's got left, I kind of wonder if there's any truth to this...

Here are some URL's
- http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/camp.htm
- http://www.rense.com/general17/statebystate.htm
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jatpX6kuxHQ
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

At least one of these links state a plan that I've heard in E-mails and other such stuff stating that the US Government has prison camps, either FEMA-controlled, or remains of closed down bases or something, with the intention of rounding up and executing massive numbers of dissidents as fast as possible.

I'm wondering is there any truth to this. If it's not true, well that's great, but if it is, I think everybody has a right to know right?


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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:27 am



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
Is There Any Truth To This?

Oh.My.God
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:35 am

If you really think Bush will do this, I have some ocean side property in Oklahoma that I want to sell you.

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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:37 am

Please tell me you're not serious with that question...
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:42 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
I take cash, Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Paypal.

Oh, where do I sign up? Can I just fax you my bank account details?
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:53 am

I asked this question because, while it *sounds* far-fetched, it warrants questions being asked. Especially since in the past, the US has thought of the idea of rounding up as many dissidents as possible in as quick an amount of time in the event of a martial-law declaration (URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84 ) and considering this Administration's sterling reputation for ethical-behavior and it's zeal for protecting human-rights...

I think it warrants discussion.


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Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:01 am

It may have been possible once upon a time when such things could be done with secrecy. But today, communication is instant and very easy. If the United States pulled something like this, the WORLD would feel repercussions. Think about it. The only way this will happen is if some ruthless dictator comes into power or there is a HUGE conspiracy (and I mean 200 times as big as the alleged 9/11 "conspiracy). This seems terribly unlikely. I'm not a statistician or risk analyst but I bet finding a $1,000,000 check on the ground while walking your dog is more likely. If something of this scale is to happen, it won't be until the US is much weaker, much more desperate, and a shell of its former self. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.

You never know what will happen...true. But playing the odds, I think I am safe to repeat myself:

Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
If you really think Bush will do this, I have some ocean side property in Oklahoma that I want to sell you.

Like it or not, Bush will resign without much turmoil.
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:02 am

Where are these supposed sites? Who is going to man them? FEMA isn't an "action" agency. They don't have the manpower. How did these sites get built and manned without anyone knowing about them? The USG isn't that good at keeping secrets. Blackbird, you're like a Jekyl/Hyde character. You ask some very educated questions in one post, and then you come up with these paranoid "the world is out to get me" posts. Faceit, you're not that famous or important, Big Brother doesn't even know that you exist. Quit flattering yourself...
 
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:34 am



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hv...JPTi4

That video has been debunked so many time it's getting boring. It's showing the bloody Amtrak Beech Grove facility for crying out loud. The fencing & security gates? To keep curious passer-by's from getting into close contact with heavy machinery & rolling stock.

Videos like this reminds me of the 9/11 'Twoofers', who insist on promoting long-debunked theories in the hope of making a quick or two from DVD & t-shirt sales.
 
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:00 am

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

OHHH NOOO FEMA WILL KILL US ALL BY USING AMTRAK! IM CANCELING MY RAPID REWARDS ACCOUNT BEFORE THEY COME FOR ME!!!11!11!1!!

[Edited 2008-08-12 20:06:09]
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:29 am

Bush can't even get drilling in ANWR approved, but he is able to fund massive concentration camps.

Listen he's a bad President, lousy. But he's not some dictator with ultimate power.

I have to laugh at their list of detention centers State by State: Beginning with my home state of New Jersey;

[quote]NEW JERSEY Ft. Dix / McGuire AFB - Possible deportation point for detainees. Lots of pictures taken of detention compounds and posted on Internet, this camp is well-known. Facility is now complete and ready for occupancy.[/quote

SInce I live about 15 minutes away let me address this.

1.) Much of Fort Dix is open to the public, the main post is secured facility but a couple major county roads run right through the training ranges.

2.) There is a State Prison as well as a Federal Prison at Fort Dix, these are not secret places. It's full of ordinary criminals as well as some more notable like Mobsters and even Crazy Cabby from KROCK and the Howard Stern Show was prisoned at Fort Dix for tax evasion.

3.) Fort Dix is a major training center for the Army National Guard and Reserve, right now the NJARNG is training for their upcoming deployment to Iraq where their mission will be to guard Iraqi prisons. So they are training at Fort Dix to run a prison.
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:59 am

This is an actual cottage industry.

There were companies, mostly in Utah that sold "storage food" and gold or silver bullion for "when civilization collapses" The paranoia was free, the food did cost. There was also a tendency for the companies to deliver product long enough to get a big hunk of prepaids, then go out of business.

I had an inlaw who used to grow alfalfa sprouts in the trunk of her car. She thought she needed the mobility for when something like this happened. "Any day now. The signs are there!"

I have a very good friend, a smart and decent man but he has this identical paranoia. He believes in chemtrails despite having flown jets since the 1950s himself. "Hey my friend" I once asked him, "why did you never show me the chemtrail switch when we flew together?" He never came up with a satisfactory answer to that, despite the millions of miles of chemtrails he himself drew across our skies.

He also warned me about the black helicopters - just in time. He told me about a base, so I drove there. I parked in front of a hangar and walked right through and out onto the ramp and sat in some of them. They were the subdued OD that the Army uses - not black at all, and they are about as secret as the VFW float in last month's parade.

This kind of paranoia is a mild form of mental illness. So is NASCAR or collecting Franklin Mint crap and it is not really more harmful than those two unless you let it take control of your life as did Tim McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski. I recently realized that arguing with strangers on the internet is another such mental illness and I'm not going to do it anymore. I have that particular sickness and, recognizing that, I'm okay with it, but I am not going to waste any more of my time scratching the itch of that particular aberration.

The very real devices to "oppress" you are not illegal or even particularly draconian. We are victimized by our own laziness both mental and otherwise and that laziness has, as its most common form, blaming exotic forces like oppressive government for the natural consequences of our failures to educate ourselves and/or husband our own resources with energy and intelligence. The paranoids are not out to get you! Go clean up your room, then go outside or read a book you didn't order off one of the above websites.
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:33 am



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11):
This kind of paranoia is a mild form of mental illness. So is NASCAR or collecting Franklin Mint crap

+1 a million times!  Smile

For all my distaste for the US world view, and actions of the current leadership, I just have to laugh at such absolute paranoia...

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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:51 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 6):


It may have been possible once upon a time when such things could be done with secrecy. But today, communication is instant and very easy. If the United States pulled something like this, the WORLD would feel repercussions. Think about it. The only way this will happen is if some ruthless dictator comes into power or there is a HUGE conspiracy (and I mean 200 times as big as the alleged 9/11 "conspiracy). This seems terribly unlikely. I'm not a statistician or risk analyst but I bet finding a $1,000,000 check on the ground while walking your dog is more likely. If something of this scale is to happen, it won't be until the US is much weaker, much more desperate, and a shell of its former self. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.

You never know what will happen...true. But playing the odds, I think I am safe to repeat myself:

Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
If you really think Bush will do this, I have some ocean side property in Oklahoma that I want to sell you.

Like it or not, Bush will resign without much turmoil.

I will preface the following statement by saying that I, possibly more than any of the rest of you, am more prone to believing (or at least researching with an open mind) conspiracy theories.

With that said, I agree with your statements 100%. Even I, as a "conspiracy theorist", believe this is too big an operation to try and cover up in this age of instant communication and globalism.

You raise a good point about repercussions upon the world. Like it or not, the United States do not exist in a vacuum and no country would react positively to reports of the US detaining their citizens in camps under the guise of martial law (except maybe China). We would be truly alone in the world, and despite what some think, that would be probably the worst thing to happen to our country.
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:54 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
If you really think Bush will do this, I have some ocean side property in Oklahoma that I want to sell you.

Well it's in Arizona in the George Strait song.... Big grin (Oceanfront Property)


As for the articles at hand....all I can say is "Wow." I have heard some wild conspiracy theories, but this comes close to making the top of my list, right up there with chemtrails and the flat earth theorists.

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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:02 am

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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:52 am

Let us not forget that there were detention camps for American citizens of Japanese birth or ancestry during WWII. The USA had the arrest and detention of over 1000 persons from certain Islamic countries and here illegally after 9/11. Then you have 'Gitmo' today. These situations may be parts of the base for such wild stories.
Another part for such ideas is from where military and the government does all kind of 'what if' scenario thinking. For example, if there were to be a nuke war, a massive terror attack worse in terms of deaths than 9/11 especially if involved chemical or nuclear materials or a major environmental disaster like the long feared 'big one' earthquake in California.
Then you have a lot of creative ideas about such detention camps in sci-fi and fictional books, TV shows and movies along with too many who wear tin hats and need serious psychological treatment.
 
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RE: Is There Any Truth To This?

Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:38 pm

LTBEWR,

That's kind of why I brought it up. The US in the past has rounded up large numbers of people (1940's and early 2000's, etc) and had contemplated rounding up dissidents as well during the 1980's during a potential martial-law declaration.

This does sound a bit far-fetched, but it's really hard to tell. After all if you've ever read about Operation Northwoods -- you would know our government has thought of some horrifying ideas.

And with crooked Administrations (Bush is simply the newest, Nixon, and Reagan were other examples, but Bush and Nixon are the worst of the three) at the helm it's hard to tell *what* they'd do.


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