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2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:26 am

and vanderbilt moved back up to 18...thankfully after a yr of two of my friends from emory giving me hell about the minuscule/temporary difference between the two schools.

im sure plenty of you have huge " oh my god these rankings are the most evil terrible thing in the world and its an abomination to even speak of them" problems with this system and i realize its arbitrary on a few levels. however its at least good for entertainment value/good natured ribbing with friends and always interesting to see where the chips fall for all of these schools each yr.
so...anyone whos willing to participate in a 'non-chip-on-your-shoulder' manner, how did your school/alma mater fare this yr?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search
 
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:15 pm

My US alma mater Brandeis stays at 31...LSE (grad school) is British so no consideration there. They have something similar in the UK the Times Rankings, and LSE always is 3rd or 4th overall and 1 or 2 for Finance and Economics.

These rankings are very subjective sure, but they usually don't differ much from what the public thinks. People would expect Harvard, MIT, and the Ivies to be in the top ten. They have the most resources and very strong reputations.

The fact that Johns Hopkins is ranked 15th makes me laugh. Hopkins is one of the top science and engineering schools in the US and puts some of those higher ranked schools to shame in the sciences.

I love razzing my friends too over these rankings. It's funny how mad some people get over them and go into pointless Ivy League rants.

I didn't go to an Ivy, but I've had the pleasure of meeting some MIT alumns and they are amazingly smart. Same for goes for UK grads from Cambridge and Imperial. Just sharp people.

On the other end of the stick, I've met people from Harvard who lacked even a basic knowledge of Economic theory (Their major was Economics!) and a Columbia MBA who couldn't understand an annualized return formula.

I love the Harvard guys who flaunt it with the T-shirts, mugs, and the ever present license plate bracket. I always laugh when I see a Harvard Alumni license plate bracket on the back of a Corolla. If you're going to brag about how superior your Harvard education is, at least get a BMW or something lol..

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Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:40 pm

35th- Georgia Institute of Technology.
Aerospace / Aeronautical / Astronautical, we are second to MIT.

Not horrible in my opinion.
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:11 pm

Overall, my school (Lehigh) is 35th. Not too bad. However, we're not even in the top 10 anymore for Mechanical Engineering, which is a bit disappointing.

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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:22 pm

There information is incorrect. I can speak on regards to Univ. of Dayton's acceptance rate and tuition. The acceptance rate is much lower (harder to get in) and the tuition is off by more than 7K, that I know for a fact.

Oh well, people get their jollies off of that.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 3):
Overall, my school (Lehigh) is 35th.

My cousin went there, amazing looking campus.
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:25 pm

My alma maters of Millersville University of PA and West Chester University of PA -- not even on there... Eh, oh well. They're still excellent schools IMO, especially West Chester. I am about to pursue my Masters in Planning there...
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:18 pm



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 4):
Their information is incorrect. I can speak on regards to Univ. of Dayton's acceptance rate and tuition. The acceptance rate is much lower (harder to get in) and the tuition is off by more than 7K, that I know for a fact.

I was just about to say the same thing. I noticed discrepancies in acceptance rate for several Universities whose stats I know fairly well. It almost makes me wonder if "acceptance rate" isn't a simple matter of applicants accepted over applicants rejected but rather some gray figure they defined.
 
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:22 pm

I have a lot of friends and relatives who attended Yeshiva University in NY. It is ranked 50th which is a joke. The only reason they are ranked so high is because of A huge endowment which this report loves and grade inflation. The investment banks caught on to the grade inflation and graduates are having a tougher time each year.
 
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:04 pm

Stanford ties with MIT at 4.

Having visited MIT in college, I can tell you that I am VERY glad I went to Stanford. I would take it over Harvard. I would take it over Yale. And I would most definitely take it over Princeton.
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:06 pm

Those rankings are meaningless, other than in telling which institutions are wealthier than others.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...4.DTL&hw=rojstaczer&sn=001&sc=1000
 
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:10 pm

Well I did go to an Ivy League, Yale, and as far as I can remember it's always been ranked anywhere from 1st to 4th for the past 10 years or so. I really don't pay attention to the community colleges that rank 5th or worse....  duck 

What I have found is that these rankings are just one more tool that you can use when evaluating schools, though it shouldn't be the only one. I was extremely happy at Yale but I know many folks who would have hated it there. Just because a school is in the top ten it doesn't mean that it's the right one for you. If you want a theater degree then Yale is a great place, but engineers are better served elsewhere IMO.

But it's nice to be able to have a Yale license plate though!
 
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:20 pm



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 10):
But it's nice to be able to have a Yale license plate though!

I find that, in spite of New Haven, Yalies tend to be very happy with their school. (Well, until they come and visit Stanford and realize that we're just as happy, but with palm trees.  duck  )

I wanted more than anything to go to Harvard when I was a senior in HS. I didn't get in. But today, when I ask Harvard alums how they liked their school, they answer "It was OK." Well, Stanford wasn't OK. It was AMAZING. I wasn't happy at Stanford; I was ecstatic. Pretty much every day.

And so, without any hint of bitterness or rancor, I think the Harvard admissions office for rejecting me; I would never have gone to Stanford otherwise.
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:53 pm



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 10):
I really don't pay attention to the community colleges that rank 5th or worse.... duck

Where's the love for the other schools.  cry   crying   embarrassed 

Just as well that the small school that I went to wasn't mentioned. Wouldn't want everyone to know how great it is. -2 Bronze Medals winners so far in the Olympics...  silvermedal   silvermedal  Darn the university where I got my masters isn't there either, but the flag bearer for the US Olympic team graduated from there.
 
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:28 pm



Quoting OlegShv (Reply 9):
Those rankings are meaningless, other than in telling which institutions are wealthier than others.

i guess no amount of preemptive disclaimers will ever fully deter the 'negs' around here.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
I noticed discrepancies in acceptance rate for several Universities whose stats I know fairly well.

ive also noticed discrepancies in the past. one possible explanation is that you could be using data from a different year...usnews uses the acceptance rate from the previous year's freshman class (rising sophs). its especially far off with vanderbilt this yr bc our incoming freshman acceptance rate dropped to ~21% and the usnews chart says 33%.
 
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:04 pm



Quoting DeltaOwnsAll (Reply 13):
i guess no amount of preemptive disclaimers will ever fully deter the 'negs' around here.

No, they won't. As the saying goes, "Some people would bitch if you hung them with a brand-new rope".

How about also posting the list that REALLY matters- The list of the US's top "party schools"!
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:07 am

When my cousin was looking at colleges, she gave me a bit of advice: "Look at people's shoes."

Well, I never did figure out exactly what that meant. But I took it to mean that you have to look at things other than ranking and academics. The academics at all schools to which a given student will be giving serious consideration are roughly equal. The academics at Stanford are very similar to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. And the academics at a number of smaller colleges are also very similar to each-other. The differences are minor and are always over-blown. And the education you receive is always quite good.

What made college amazing for me was the interaction with the other students. Stanford practiced a "residential education" model in which the dorms were safe, homey places. RA's were not there to enforce rules, but to build community within each given hall and students were permitted to resolve their own issues.

Thus, what made my education exceptional wasn't my professors, but what I learned from my fellow students as we discovered ourselves, our adulthood, and our paths in life.
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:17 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 1):
On the other end of the stick, I've met people from Harvard who lacked even a basic knowledge of Economic theory (Their major was Economics!)

Probably because they still obsess about Keynes. LOL

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
When my cousin was looking at colleges, she gave me a bit of advice: "Look at people's shoes."

And always have your shined! Especially for an interview. Big litmus test. Nice advice.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:15 am

Arrr, I am duly upset that USC is 27th, whilst UCLA is 26rd and Michigan is 25th.

However, Rose Bowls and National Championships are Rose Bowls and National Championships. So I can still be happy.
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:55 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
Darn the university where I got my masters isn't there either, but the flag bearer for the US Olympic team graduated from there.

In my undergrad and grad school we'd occasionally see people from top 20 schools picking up the odd credit during the off season. They invariably said things like "good thing we didn't go here....too much work. How do you guys stand it?"
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:06 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 18):
In my undergrad and grad school we'd occasionally see people from top 20 schools picking up the odd credit during the off season. They invariably said things like "good thing we didn't go here....too much work. How do you guys stand it?"

ill take silly generalizations for 200 alex~
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a more realistic theory is that perhaps they were all harvard students?  Wink seriously though their history of grade inflation is impressive...a couple of friends of mine that attend there say its nearly impossible to get anything below a 'C' even if you dont complete the assignments. weird.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:27 pm



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
Arrr, I am duly upset that USC is 27th, whilst UCLA is 26rd and Michigan is 25th.

However, Rose Bowls and National Championships are Rose Bowls and National Championships. So I can still be happy.

Because that's the most important factor, right?
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:46 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Well, I never did figure out exactly what that meant. But I took it to mean that you have to look at things other than ranking and academics. The academics at all schools to which a given student will be giving serious consideration are roughly equal. The academics at Stanford are very similar to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. And the academics at a number of smaller colleges are also very similar to each-other. The differences are minor and are always over-blown. And the education you receive is always quite good.

Very true, undergraduate students are "cheap" to educate, you can throw all of them in a large room and teach them the basics while asking for a ridiculous amount of money. No matter where you go to school everyone is going to get the same basic theory of Economics, Physics, Liberal Arts, ect. Granted many of the higher on the list schools will have "better" professors and leaders in their field, but the content will still be the same. Once you get into the upper level courses the parody is more noticeable. Even with that though, I think rankings give a false sense of security to 18 year olds, many of who have no idea what they are looking for in a university (yet think they do).
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:02 pm



Quoting DeltaOwnsAll (Thread starter):
thankfully after a yr of two of my friends from emory giving me hell about the minuscule/temporary difference between the two schools.

Wow. Your friends sound so cool.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:57 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 20):

Because that's the most important factor, right?

Yes. And because my post was completely serious as well.
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:17 pm

Exactly how much of the ranking is influenced by schools simply paying their way to the top, indirectly? I'm not accusing the site for accepting favors, I mean for what schools do and or are capable of doing. Some schools are capable of impacting their community and influencing their stature while others just take care of their students.
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:33 am

Quoting DeltaOwnsAll (Reply 19):
ill take silly generalizations for 200 alex~



Not a generalization at all, but on further reflection I've either got to pull on my hip boots to stay in this thread or find some other sandbox.

Adios, y'all.

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Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:50 am

Colorado is ranked higher than Nebraska and Colorado State...I'm satisfied  Wink
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:26 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
I am VERY glad I went to Stanford



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
I would take it over Harvard.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
I would take it over Yale.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And I would most definitely take it over Princeton.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
until they come and visit Stanford and realize that we're just as happy, but with palm trees.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
when I ask Harvard alums how they liked their school, they answer "It was OK." Well, Stanford wasn't OK. It was AMAZING.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I wasn't happy at Stanford; I was ecstatic. Pretty much every day.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I think the Harvard admissions office for rejecting me; I would never have gone to Stanford otherwise.



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Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:44 am

Yeah, yeah, shaddap. I was still in diapers when that happened.  Wink
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:35 am

Notre Dame at 18... Not too shabby, but those rankings are crap. I mean WU and freaking Emory can't possibly be ranked higher. I mean seriously, Emory? WTF?
 
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:41 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 1):
I didn't go to an Ivy, but I've had the pleasure of meeting some MIT alumns and they are amazingly smart.

MIT isn't an Ivy.

Quoting OlegShv (Reply 9):



Those rankings are meaningless, other than in telling which institutions are wealthier than others

The institutions it definatly puts at a disadvantage are the public schools that pool resources over an entire state system. It also hurts some of the smaller private universities that have smaller endowments while still providing a comparable education.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
Arrr, I am duly upset that USC is 27th, whilst UCLA is 26rd and Michigan is 25th.

Talk about a little revisionist history there. My alma mater, UCLA, is number 25 on that list, and the least expensive of the top 25 to boot. But what does one expect from a Trojan  Wink
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RE: 2009 US News College Rankings Are Out

Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:44 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):

Talk about a little revisionist history there. My alma mater, UCLA, is number 25 on that list, and the least expensive of the top 25 to boot. But what does one expect from a Trojan

Whoops. That was an honest mistake. If I were being revisionist, I would have put USC above UCLA. I have no love for Michigan.  Smile
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