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Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:30 pm

Disgusting.

If you disagree, you take it to the proper officials.

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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:44 pm

If I would get p*ssed off with somebody and kick him in the face, I would most likely be arrested and face up to 5 years prison for assault and intentionally causing dangerous bodily harm (in Germany). I wonder why they didn't have the guy arrested by the Chinese authorities. I assume that similar laws exist in China.
I also noticed that people doing violent assaults in sports often get away lightly, e.g. in football (I don't mean accidents, but intentional extremely violent fouls, which can have lasting damage to the victim and be in fact career-ending). They might get a ban by their sports association, but no punitive action is taken by the state.

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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:44 pm

The cuban IS banned for life.

effing jerk!

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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:46 pm

On the bright side, it will probably make a great animated .gif
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:48 pm



Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

I love it! NOW the Olympics starts to get interesting . . .

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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:49 pm

Still, a few years in a Chinese prison might do him good.

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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:55 pm

This has got to be right up there with the Zinedine Zidane headbutt  rotfl 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:15 pm

I think this part is interesting:

Quote:
Matos' bad behavior followed a day of confusion on the mats and ended the four-day taekwondo competition, which was marred by several protests against judge's calls.

Seems the judge was asking for it, too.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:28 pm

Your right MD-11, here some overblown bling-ed up football player was sent to prison for a violent assault, but he only served 50% of his sentence and his club made it quite clear he could resume playing for them again.
Worse, not his first one and he comes from a slag, shitcu*t family, other members of which have been involved in even more serious violent crime.

Back to the Olympics, for some odd reason, David Beckham is over in China as part of the handover ceremony for the London games.
Why?
He represents massive sporting underachievement, at least for England, in football at World and European cup leveL
Him and his 'Golden Generation' we used to hear so much about.
Compare and contrast to the stellar performance, way above expectations, for the British Olympic team this year, often by those on modest incomes and with modest levels of support, compared to the massively wealthy but in truth, internationally poor England football team.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:35 pm



Quoting Acheron (Reply 7):
Seems the judge was asking for it, too.

What if he was right on every call? Even if he was wrong, kicking him is not the way to go.
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
I also noticed that people doing violent assaults in sports often get away lightly, e.g. in football (I don't mean accidents, but intentional extremely violent fouls, which can have lasting damage to the victim and be in fact career-ending). They might get a ban by their sports association, but no punitive action is taken by the state.

If you're talking about the Martin Taylor incident, where he almost ripped off the foot of Eduardo da Silva, he only got a 2-match ban IIRC, while Eduardo has to consider the fact that his career may be over if the injury doesn't heal well (or become a Sportinvalider in German). I actually agreed with Eduardo's manager Arsène Wenger that Taylor should have received a lifetime ban for what he did (though he should have also been charged with aggravated assault).

There was however one case in which a player was sentenced to pay damages to another player, whom he fouled so hard that he (the injured player) had to end his career, but that's it AFAIK.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:23 pm

What an animal. I feel bad for those that have to live with or put up with such a person.
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
Even if he was wrong, kicking him is not the way to go.

100% correct and right . He gets what he deserves. No time for that kind of thing in this day and age.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:04 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
Even if he was wrong, kicking him is not the way to go.

100% correct and right . He gets what he deserves. No time for that kind of thing in this day and age.

No, he will not, unless the referee presses charges. As I have stated above, if I would have behaved in a similar way as an ordinary citizen, I would be escorted out of the stadium in handcuffs by the police and would be in prison.
I might well loose my job additionally (since it requires a criminal record check and I would certainly be convicted of assault), but this guy gets away very lightly.

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RE: Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Li

Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:21 pm



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
On the bright side, it will probably make a great animated .gif



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
This has got to be right up there with the Zinedine Zidane headbutt










 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:22 pm

I hate to be the jerk of the group, but the photo of the refs face the moment after the kick is hilarious lol.


As for the actions, if all this guy gets is a lifetime ban from the sport, he will definatly get off easy. Im sure in many other parts of the world as is here in the States, if an athlete goes bonkers and attacks someone with such violence they will be arrested. I can recall a Pittsburgh Pirate a few years back taking a bat and hitting one of the racing weiners In Milwakee ( I think was the city ). Police arrested him. And then there was a major brew ha ha at a minor league baseball game not too long ago, where the idiot pitcher took the ball and launched it at the opposing teams dugout, sadly it hit a fan in the head. Once again this athlete was arrested. So long story short, for this guy not to go to jail is moronic.
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:44 pm



Quoting Acheron (Reply 7):
Seems the judge was asking for it, too.

First all judges are changed after every match.
Second the judge followed the rules and disqualified him after his allocated one minute grace period passed and he was not able to continue the game.So where did the referee asked for it?

Now i have a question.Does being in the Olympics provide you imunity from criminal prosecution?
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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 25):
.Does being in the Olympics provide you imunity from criminal prosecution?

No I dont think so . They must still obey the laws of the local country although due to the event some things may be ''over looked''.

Why does the referee not press charges?
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:38 pm

While he could be prosecuted for assault in the PRC, I suspect that he won't due as will be leaving very shortly anyway. I would assume he lost many of his participant privileges such as access to the athlete's village. He may required to be in a hotel room and not leave it until he departs with the rest of the Cuba team. He acted in a shameful way and should be penalized in part as he already has.
I wouldn't doubt that when he gets home, he will lose he access to athletic training facilities, no longer able to travel outside the country, lose privileges in Cuba such as access to more food, to stores that offer goods and services not usually available to most citizens as well as possible assignment to a work camp to 're-educate' him.
 
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:53 pm

It shows how wimpy Taekwondo is when an Olympic-class martial artist can take a shot at a defenseless head and leave the person standing. Most any other martial art would have had that ref laid out on his back, maybe unconscious. Muay Thai rules!

Right now it says its only a recommendation that he be banned but I was reading they banned an athlete for life for throwing a bronze medal on the floor after the awards in protest. Won't be any different for this guy.
 
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Quoting Mham001 (Reply 20):
Right now it says its only a recommendation that he be banned but I was reading they banned an athlete for life for throwing a bronze medal on the floor after the awards in protest. Won't be any different for this guy.

I hope the ban will only be the beginning, with the bloke facing criminal prosecution, either in China or Cuba (both places, where I wouldn't want to be in prison).
There IS a difference between throwing a temper tantrum like a 3 year old child and making a fool out of your self or knocking some teeth out of a referee's face.

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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
If you're talking about the Martin Taylor incident, where he almost ripped off the foot of Eduardo da Silva, he only got a 2-match ban IIRC, while Eduardo has to consider the fact that his career may be over if the injury doesn't heal well (or become a Sportinvalider in German). I actually agreed with Eduardo's manager Arsène Wenger that Taylor should have received a lifetime ban for what he did (though he should have also been charged with aggravated assault).

Absolutely not, the tackle was misjudged and clumsy, there was no intent to harm anyone, the way I see it, he went for the ball but misjudged it.

Someone that should have been done for a vicious tackle is Roy Keane, can't remember who it was on, but he broke the guys leg (not sure if it ended his career).

As for this idiot kicking the ref:

I think the decision to disqualify him was very harsh, he was on his feet 5 seconds after his minute had passed, I know what the rule is, but a bit of lee-way should be given. Still no excuse for aussault though

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Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:13 am



Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 22):
Someone that should have been done for a vicious tackle is Roy Keane, can't remember who it was on, but he broke the guys leg (not sure if it ended his career).



It was Alf-Inge Haland, and yes, it was a career ending tackle, by the now "respected" coach.
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Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:41 am

Well he just set a bad example for Black Latinos. I mean come one was it that serious he had to kick the guy. The ref was bleeding. Not only that he got his coach banned from the Olympics for life! The coach ought to castrate him!
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Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
He represents massive sporting underachievement, at least for England

Most would say over achievement...
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Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:25 pm

Why are you guys shocked? That's the result of 50 years of the Che Guevara and Fidel Castro mentality, he's a living product of it. The communist "new man" they preached. There you have it.

Behaving with class is too "bourgeois", therefore that's not a requirement in Cuban society, or did you just find that out? His coach didn't even apologize, that says it all.

He should' have been sent back to Cuba on the spot on a shipping crate for pets since he acted more animal than human like. Forget the lack of sportsmanship, what a fool. I suppose it will not be fun when he gets back

Quoting Acheron (Reply 7):
Seems the judge was asking for it, too.

Beautiful commy logic, like usual. Gold medal


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Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:39 pm

His behaviour is not restricted to communist countries.
First, most athletes are picked for their physical provess, not for brain power. Secondly, anybody competing on this level has already a certain agressiveness (I want to be the best, it is ME only!) and egotism. Training also enhances the agressivity.
Just look at Tyson, while he didn't hit the ref, he bit an ear off an opponent when he noticed that he couldn't win within the rules.
A German boxer called "Der Ap" (Cologne slang for ape, due to his long arms), knocked out a ref in the 1960s after the ref decided against him.
Another one, promissing heavyweight Graciano "Rocky" Rocciciani in Berlin got heavily involved in organised crime (enforcing, pimping) and regular fights with the police until he had to resign in disgrace.
The same applies to fouls or doping.

Up to now athletes got away with too much, it is time to bring criminal charges for intentional violent behaviour or cheating (after all, many competitions have huge sums of prize money, sponsor money is also involved, not to speak of fixing matches to cheat in betting, so cheating like doping should be considered criminal fraud).

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Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:50 pm



Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 21):
Absolutely not, the tackle was misjudged and clumsy, there was no intent to harm anyone, the way I see it, he went for the ball but misjudged it.

I disagree. It was a vicious foul, and even if it was a misjudged and clumsy tackle, it's still a potential career-ending injury Eduardo suffered as a result of it. So, even if he doesn't get criminally charged, he should at least been brought to a civil court and be forced to pay damages to Eduardo for what he did, and gotten a minimum 6 month FIFA wide ban from football.

Because of people like Taylor and Keane, referees and national federations, along with the continental federations and FIFA, are becoming such cowards that they now declare even touching the opponent on the shoulder a foul. Football is a sport that should be played hard if necessary, as long as it isn't too hard, and fouls like these are helping referees in all of FIFA to become pussies when they see players get in physical contact with each other, even if that contact isn't a foul.
 
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 26):
His behaviour is not restricted to communist countries.
First, most athletes are picked for their physical provess, not for brain power

Correct. Just look at the headlines certain footballers get. Fights , rapes , drugs. It has nothing what so ever to do with Cuba or communism. What is the excuse for the others then? Bad behaviour is just that whatever the nationality is.
 
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 25):
Why are you guys shocked? That's the result of 50 years of the Che Guevara and Fidel Castro mentality, he's a living product of it. The communist "new man" they preached. There you have it.

You've got some serious issues. Especially because we all know you truly believe that B/S you're posting.
 
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Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 29):
You've got some serious issues. Especially because we all know you truly believe that B/S you're posting.

lol.. i"m not even going to bother debating this with you euros  Smile so please, talk to me when you get a clue
 
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 25):
He should' have been sent back to Cuba on the spot on a shipping crate for pets since he acted more animal than human like. Forget the lack of sportsmanship, what a fool. I suppose it will not be fun when he gets back

I think he's going to have to find another line of work in Cuba-cutting cane suggests itself. I don't think it has to do with the ideology so much as it's an assault. Also, he's used his professional martial skills as deadly weapons, and that's to be scorned-had he really connected he might have killed the ref. I do not think the Party will take kindly to these shenanigans after they have invested how many pesos in this mutt, either.

I'll make you a little bet, 707. This cat's probably already figuring out how he can hop a raft north and get on WWF or the Ultimate Fighter or some such trash. Unfortunately, if he makes it to dry ground we've got to take him, which suggests that normalizing relations with Cuba couldn't be all bad.
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:19 am

On a semi-related note, did anybody else giggle while reading the article and seeing the "WTF" abbreviation for the World Taekwondo Federation?
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 31):
I think he's going to have to find another line of work in Cuba-cutting cane suggests itself.

Sugar cane collapsed due to the state's mismanagement long ago, but whatever awaits him, he's going to be wishing he would've held his anger, as all athletes who felt short-changed did. Over 10,000 athletes in Beijing and the only one who had to do this was Cuba. There are rules and he took too long. Supposedly he broke his toe, which means he can't compete anymore and he's out anyways. Why would you kick the ref??? And his coach didn't even apologize. What an embarrassment on the world Olympic stage.

Of course, not all Cuban athletes are like this. However, this is not the first example of a Cuban athlete doing boneheaded stuff. Teófilo Stevenson, the famous world champion Olympic boxer, is also reported to be an a-hole.

For example, on a sports-related visit to Miami he made a scene and headbutted a ticket agent at MIA. Charges were filed but because of the present relations he was never extradited back to Florida to appear in court. It's noteworthy Stevenson was brainwashed by Castro and always refused offers to come to the US and fight as a pro, where he would've earned millions. In Cuba he was also accused by a reporter of rape, but Stevenson being Stevenson is pretty much immune.

This mostly happens among the blacks, why? Surprise surprise! There's racism in Cuba and deep down some blacks are more likely to have an "I don't care" sort of rebellious attitude. Combine it with the fact it's a society with no benchmark on what proper manners are, sprinkle some competitive ego, and you have this.



The comparisons with European football players don't really apply for two reasons: 1st, soccer as a national sport isn't big in Cuba, baseball is, and the typical Cuban sports fans and players don't have a history of beating each other up in sports matches

2nd, In Cuba people take their careers even more seriously, especially with the privileges being an athlete brings to the table. Famous athletes/artists don't have the surrounding capitalist decadence at hand, nor the incentive to make headlines doing stupid stuff like capitalist celebrities do, often for publicity. If you're a famous personality in Cuba, things like using Marijuana or getting an underage girl pregnant will never make headlines, nobody cares. The only negative publicity you will get is if you defect to the USA.

While the most famous Cuban athletes can get away with a lot, the rest have to be careful because they don't have much $$$ or have any particular importance to the state.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 31):
Unfortunately, if he makes it to dry ground we've got to take him

This guy has the markings of a brainwashed ignorant in the same line as Stevenson. I doubt he's going to want to leave Cuba, unless he's given a hard time after this incident (which is possible).

Trust me, if he comes here, he's not going to have that many fans. Just look at Canseco. People USED to look up to him (past tense). Most will associate him with negative publicity than with his baseball glory days.


Those who don't believe this shows the reckless communist mentality haven't obviously lived in Cuba.
 
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RE: Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:57 am

Follow the rules.....Protest by the rules.....Now the loss is primarily of the athlete.What are chances of the Ban being revoked in the long run?
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Quoting JBo (Reply 32):
On a semi-related note, did anybody else giggle while reading the article and seeing the "WTF" abbreviation for the World Taekwondo Federation?

Yes, and it's hilarious  Silly

The aptly named WTF federation is gonna have to find out how the hell this happened. Although I'm sure they themselves are asking, WTF??
 
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 30):
lol.. i"m not even going to bother debating this with you euros so please, talk to me when you get a clue

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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 27):
So, even if he doesn't get criminally charged, he should at least been brought to a civil court and be forced to pay damages to Eduardo for what he did, and gotten a minimum 6 month FIFA wide ban from football.

No, he shouldn't - nor can he be. The foul was absolutely horrible - but at the end of the day it wasn't intentional, and even Arsene Wenger went back on his statement relating to the lifetime ban later, stating it was in the rage of the moment.

Secondly, he cannot be sued in an English court over this. In the law of tort there is a rule known as the volenti rule - where you accept a risk, and willingly take it on, you cannot later go back and sue if that risk materializes. Of course, this does not apply where the event in question is intentional, but injuries such as the one suffered by Eduardo go with the territory, and as such legal action would not be available against Taylor.
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Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:32 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 33):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 31):
Unfortunately, if he makes it to dry ground we've got to take him

This guy has the markings of a brainwashed ignorant in the same line as Stevenson. I doubt he's going to want to leave Cuba, unless he's given a hard time after this incident (which is possible).

It's said that Miami is the largest city in Cuba-or perhaps Cuba is the largest county in Florida?

"Welcome to Cuba County, Florida ma'am. It is a little windy today so drive safe and buckle up. Y'all come back and see us soon, heah?"

On the other hand, if the Cubans keep this fellow I'd be inclined to let them so long as they keep Joanne Chesimard and others of her ilk...and the late unlamented Robert Vesco. Sheltering him was no credit to Fidel Castro.

Personally I'd like to see Carrilles handed over the the Cubans with the expectation that Chesimard be returned to custody in New Jersey. She's a cop killer and a career criminal.

Interestingly enough, Chesimard had her phone number listed in the Havana phone book until an American in the US interests section stuck a wanted poster in her garden fence just to sort of let her know that we hadn't forgotten about her. Had I known this I might have called her and told her to go fuck herself.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/13/asia/cuba.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 42):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 33):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 31):
Unfortunately, if he makes it to dry ground we've got to take him

This guy has the markings of a brainwashed ignorant in the same line as Stevenson. I doubt he's going to want to leave Cuba, unless he's given a hard time after this incident (which is possible).

It's said that Miami is the largest city in Cuba-or perhaps Cuba is the largest county in Florida?

"Welcome to Cuba County, Florida ma'am. It is a little windy today so drive safe and buckle up. Y'all come back and see us soon, heah?"

On the other hand, if the Cubans keep this fellow I'd be inclined to let them so long as they keep Joanne Chesimard and others of her ilk...and the late unlamented Robert Vesco. Sheltering him was no credit to Fidel Castro.

Personally I'd like to see Carrilles handed over the the Cubans with the expectation that Chesimard be returned to custody in New Jersey. She's a cop killer and a career criminal.

Interestingly enough, Chesimard had her phone number listed in the Havana phone book until an American in the US interests section stuck a wanted poster in her garden fence just to sort of let her know that we hadn't forgotten about her. Had I known this I might have called her and told her to go fuck herself.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/13/asia/cuba.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur

East Germany gave several members of the communist Red Army Faction (aka Baader-Meinhof-gang) ayslum. Most of them wanted to leave the terrorist group, but didn't want to surrender to the West German police (and then either go to prison or become a target of their former comrades as "traitors", as has happened with former Basque ETA members, who wanted to leave the organisation). They approached the Stasi and received asylum under the conditions that they would break all contacts with their former group, they would receive new identities and from then on would live as ordinary GDR citizens and not stirr up any trouble.

When the wall fell, the West German authorities gained access to the files and ex-terrorists were soon arrested, without any resistance, as if they expected the police to show up someday and were glad it was over.
Most got sentenced to prison terms, but later released early after a few years due to good behaviour in prison, having broken with their former ideology and not being a danger to society anymore. I have to say though that AFAIK, none of these refugees had any direct involvement in killings, they were more supportive staff.

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RE: Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:59 pm



Quoting QR332 (Reply 38):
No, he shouldn't - nor can he be. The foul was absolutely horrible - but at the end of the day it wasn't intentional, and even Arsene Wenger went back on his statement relating to the lifetime ban later, stating it was in the rage of the moment.

Wasn't intentional? Wasn't intentional would imply accidental. That kick was far from accidental.
As a long time practitioner of martial arts, the idea of an inability to control "rage" is against everything you are taught in any martial art. Control of your emotions and abilities is key. You have skills to kill people, you had better have control of those skills.

Anyway, if a man can get banned from his sport for simply throwing his medal on the mat, I don't understand why there would even be a question about attacking the authority in charge.

Inexcusable, unless.....

you are from Cuba. Looks like Miami707 was absolutley correct, this is government-approved behavior. It was just reported on the ABC national news that Raul Castro found it acceptable and said that the judge deserved it because of widespread corruption. I cannot yet find a news link.

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RE: Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:53 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 31):
I think he's going to have to find another line of work in Cuba

Probably not. I was just reading a story that Fidel Castro was supporting the decision to kick the ref in the face. Sadly, he'll probably be welcomed home a hero...  Angry
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RE: Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:11 pm

In case I'm really not understanding this, it's being claimed that this mad display of un-sportsmanship and petulance, by this Cuban, is because of the regime that he grew up in?
A bit of desperate grasping maybe?

While an extreme act of bad losing, it's not the only one we see in sport, all across the world.

In 1998, the man feted by crowds as part of the UK handover ceremony in Beijing, one David Beckham, petulantly lashed out at an opponent in the 1998 World Cup, his actions probably contributed to the English team's exit from the competition.
Did he do this because of Tony Blair?
Or the other PM's he grew up under, (Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher and Major?)
I doubt it.
 
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RE: Olympian Kicks Ref In Face-possible Ban For Life

Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:44 pm

Since a few of you want to turn this into an off-topic discussion about politics in Cuba and the former East Germany, this thread is now locked.

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