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Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:10 am

Katy Perry sings about kissing a girl, Madonna does it regularly on stage, and the Sugababes have sung about not needing any man. These are all (apparently) heterosexual women, presumably having a bit of fun with lesbian chic, and teasing men into the bargain.

So why haven't heterosexual male singers gone down the road of same-sex snogging, or at least singing about it? Is it a taboo that cannot be crossed? Although it never did Jimi Hendrix's career any harm when it was assumed, for years, that he was singing " 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze.

Who's going to be the first straight man to cross the rubicon?

[Edited 2008-08-24 01:11:11]
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:20 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
" 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze.

He's saying "kiss the sky".


I think you might need to get some more sleep before you start posting. Big grin
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:23 am

I think I did add the word "assumed" in the opening post Superfly. Although you are right, it's not a good idea to post at 9am after a sleepless night.
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:34 am

To answer your original question.
Here is a video of two heterosexual male artist doing a very, very gay video.

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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:35 am

I'm with you Braybuddy, I've been asking myself the same thing for years now. Probably it's because 2 women kissing is every heterosexual male's wildest dream, but 2 men kissing isn't really anyone's wildest dream - except for some of us  silly 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:04 am



Quote:
but 2 men kissing isn't really anyone's wildest dream - except for some of us

I wonder about this ManuCH: I reckon straight women are just being coy when they say that two men having sex (or snogging) doesn't turn them on. I wonder, I wonder . . .
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:21 am

I think that would be about the last thing most people want to see.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:16 am

I think that would be about the last thing most people want to see

But if it's acceptable for two women to do it, why not men? We are living in a (supposed) age of equality.
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:44 pm

Santana and Rob Thomas kissed on stage at the grammys back in the 90's, however, I dont remember any mainstream male singers singing about kissing other men.
Dave Navarro and the lead singer of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers shared a kiss on some stage (dont exactly remember when).
Unfortunately, two or more "pretty girls" making out is much more acceptable by society than two men making out.

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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:55 pm

i thought it was "kissed hair pie"  Wink
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:56 pm

Well there is always the group Pansy Division! Not main stream by any stretch of the imagination that is for sure.

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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:01 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Who's going to be the first straight man to cross the rubicon?

Wasn't nSync enough?
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:43 pm

In the States, at least, I think it all goes back to we want to put on a show that we are a nation of prudes. But, sex sells and, since it is acceptable for "pretty" lesbians (I know lesbians. There is no such thing) to kiss, sales of whatever goes up. I would not mind seeing JC from NSYNC or Howie from BSB kissing another guy. Especially if I were the other guy. But, it would not really sell much of anything. If anything, it would start roumers "that one is gay" and ruin their career.

Take, for example, Eric McCormick. What has he done since Will and Grace? He is hetero in real life, but kissed three (I can remember) guys full on the lips while playing a gay man. What about the guys on Queer As Folk? I know Hal Sparks is gay in real life. I know two other actors from that show are too. How many of the hetero in real life actors got jobs after QAF?However, any young, buxom woman that sings about kissing a girl, that song goes straight to the top or actually frenches with another young, buxom woman gets instant celeb status. What a rip. Pulling a Paris Hilton: famous for nothing.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:32 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
I know Hal Sparks is gay in real life.

You might want to double check that. I recall reading an interview with him where he described the first time kissing a guy was like kissing a dog.
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:30 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Here is a video of two heterosexual male artist doing a very, very gay video.

Wow. I never saw this video. Although I never thought that David Bowie or Mick Jagger were completely straight, I am a bit shocked at how close they come to dancing out of the closet and into the street in this video....

Even though I'm out of the closet myself, at 1:19 into the video, instead of thinking wow- they're almost kissing- I was REALLY thinking: Jeeeez- I wonder how they are coping with each other's bad breath?

Hmmmmm. Maybe that's why M2M stuff just doesn't sell in mainstream culture. We all know how un-sexy most men can be most of the time- the halitosis, the farting, the sweaty B/O, the meat-eating, and beer-drinking, badly dressed louts almost all of us can be...
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:41 pm



Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 14):
Although I never thought that David Bowie or Mick Jagger were completely straight,

 rotfl 

Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 14):
Wow. I never saw this video.

I thought it was awful from day one when I first saw it in 1985.
I couldn't imagine why David Bowie would reduce himself to such a trashy duet with Mick Jagger. Also, 'Dancing In The Streets' (originally by Martha Reeves & The Vandellas in 1964) was one of the weakest Motown hits. Not sure why that was remade by Van Halen (1982) and Bowie & Jagger (1985).

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 11):
Wasn't nSync enough?

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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:58 pm

You know it's been so long since I saw that Jagger/Bowie video that I'd forgotten all about it. It really does look as if they're about to throw the lips on each other halfway through, lol.

I suppose it should be no surprise from the two of them, given both their androgynous phases.
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 7):
I think that would be about the last thing most people want to see

But if it's acceptable for two women to do it, why not men? We are living in a (supposed) age of equality.

He didn't say it wasn't acceptable; simply that people may not want to see it.

Although plenty of straight girls I know like gay men, I don't usually hear them thinking it's hot when two men kiss.

Don't really know why; don't see that it really matters much.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:20 pm

Well, in the old days (ancient greece) it was perfectly acceptable.

Modern day though, male homosexuality is considered bad because instinctively it seems to evoke images of effeminacy (which is interesting since not all gay men are effeminate -- in fact I know one or two who you would *never* in a million years suspect to be gay), and in America and many countries, there exists a machismo culture.

Generally speaking it would appear the more machismo the culture, the more opposed to male-homosexuality for this precise reason.


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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:54 pm

("Quote selected text" feature not working tonight, so I'm imporvising):

Quoting Vikkyvik
Although plenty of straight girls I know like gay men, I don't usually hear them thinking it's hot when two men kiss.


But you know what women are like. They are very often coy about these things. I read something a while back about something like 40 per cent of women accessing porn on the net. Somehow I don't think 40 per cent would admit to it.

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Well, in the old days (ancient greece) it was perfectly acceptable.


Ah the good old days. You know since we've become more "enlightened" and given names to things, we've probably created our present-day prejudices. Before people knew what homosexuality was they just got on with it and did it, without any hangups.
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:41 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
So why haven't heterosexual male singers gone down the road of same-sex snogging, or at least singing about it? Is it a taboo that cannot be crossed? Although it never did Jimi Hendrix's career any harm when it was assumed, for years, that he was singing " 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze.

Simple answer natural instincts. Look how straight women behave around each other and it isn't surprising. They often always greet each other by hugging or kissing on the cheek. Guys greet probably half the time with any physical contact at all.

Also they are much more comfortable with their bodies around each other than men will ever be. They will compare their bodies with other girls and talk about a lot more than guys do about any thing. When have you ever talked about your body or your emotions with another guy, I'm guessing not that often if ever.

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Katy Perry sings about kissing a girl, Madonna does it regularly on stage, and the Sugababes have sung about not needing any man. These are all (apparently) heterosexual women, presumably having a bit of fun with lesbian chic, and teasing men into the bargain.

Another reason why you see this is pop culture more is that girl on girl action has always been a fantasy of men and not outright disgusting to women. Where as no straight man is likely going to watch two men make out and not feel at the minimum very awkward and I have no idea about how women think about it but I would guess not the same as a men would fawn over two women.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:51 am



Quoting Jamincan (Reply 13):
he described the first time kissing a guy was like kissing a dog.

Yeah? I didn't like the "first time" with a guy. Well.... some things were okay...

But, yes, the first time I kissed a guy, it was horrid. After that, I really enjoyed depending on who it was. Just because a guy didn't like his first time does not mean he is/is not gay.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:05 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 18):
Well, in the old days (ancient greece) it was perfectly acceptable.

Actually it was accepted between a grown-up man and a younger boy only until this on was staring to develop secondary sexual tracts ( beard etc). After that is was taboo as well.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:59 am

Women aren't interested in guy on guy action, and straight men obviously aren't.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 5):
I reckon straight women are just being coy when they say that two men having sex (or snogging) doesn't turn them on

I don't think the female brain works that way.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
I think it all goes back to we want to put on a show that we are a nation of prudes

It's not so much that we're a nation of prudes but rather a nation that is 90% not interested in seeing two guys getting intimate. Those of us that are need only open *anything* remotely gay and voila--more naked men than you can shake a stick at.

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 18):
which is interesting since not all gay men are effeminate -- in fact I know one or two who you would *never* in a million years suspect to be gay),

...which has also inspired a disturbing trend of hyper masculinity among some gay men which can be equally off-putting.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:05 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
So why haven't heterosexual male singers gone down the road of same-sex snogging, or at least singing about it?

Cause it's gay.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
Although plenty of straight girls I know like gay men, I don't usually hear them thinking it's hot when two men kiss.

Most girls I know find it kind of gross to watch.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
...which has also inspired a disturbing trend of hyper masculinity among some gay men which can be equally off-putting.

Not into the bears, eh?
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:41 am



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 4):
Probably it's because 2 women kissing is every heterosexual male's wildest dream, but 2 men kissing isn't really anyone's wildest dream

Indeed. Although 16 girls kissing certainly beats 2 girls kissing but we are straying slightly off topic... enjoyably so, though.  devil 
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:03 pm

I actually polled some female coworkers and three out of five don't mind looking at man-on-man action. They are kind of turned-on as well.
Reasoning behind is that they find gay boys more well kept, better groomed and in better shape than their own boyfriends or peers.
I doubt they will be able to convince their partners to watch it together though
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:04 pm

This is fucking absurd.

If you fellows want to popularize this habit go out on the street and plant a nice big smackeroo on the first fellow you meet.

Just do it and stop this infernal palaver.

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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:27 pm

 kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss   kiss 
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:20 pm

Ok people,
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:21 pm

That's what I'm talkin' about people.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:07 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 5):
I reckon straight women are just being coy when they say that two men having sex (or snogging) doesn't turn them on. I wonder, I wonder . . .

Wonder no more.....ewwww.
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:39 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 17):
But, yes, the first time I kissed a guy, it was horrid

Good lord, you obviously weren't doing it right!!  Wink The first time I ever kissed a guy I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread!!

But what I think it all boils down to is that female's brains work differently from males. We're much more visually stimulated than they are...they prefer to be wined, dined and wooed to get in the mood, whereas we prefer to see as much bare flesh and action as possible! So unless you're a gay male, there's no way you're gonna be turned on by two guys getting it on!! Straight guys will be repulsed, and women will be non-plussed and would rather paint their nails and talk about shoes!! Big grin
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:36 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 5):
I reckon straight women are just being coy when they say that two men having sex (or snogging) doesn't turn them on. I wonder, I wonder . . .



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
Women aren't interested in guy on guy action, and straight men obviously aren't.

There's actually a huge female fanbase for this kind of stuff - it's probably not as popular as woman on woman is for men, but girls who like guy on guy action DO exist.  Wink

I'm a huge fan of japanese animation (anime), and a lot of studios base entire animated SERIES, comics and movies on so-called "shonen-ai" ("boy love", which is basically limited to holding hands and kissing) and/or "yaoi" (which is basically hard-core guy-on-guy porn), made for girls. The fandom is huge, and "fangirls" live off finding pairings in various series and drawing these characters together. Sure, it's fictional, but a lot of 'em are into real guy-on-guy stuff as well.

I'll post a few examples of this art (nothing graphic, I promise!) done by my 2 friends who belong to this group of fangirls:







So girls like this exist and they'll proudly admit to liking it.  Wink Then again, this is a japanese concept, and we all know they can be quite weird...  Silly
Personally, I like the cutesy romantic stuff - but I don't think I'd be comfortable with full-fletched porn. I don't know if women are in denial if they say they don't like guy-on-guy sex though. It seems that the guys are more uncomfortable about it than women are.  Smile
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:09 am

(Quote selected text feature not working, so I'm improvising)

Quoting Kunoichi: Personally, I like the cutesy romantic stuff - but I don't think I'd be comfortable with full-fletched porn

That would make perfect sense, seeing that women seem to be slower burners than men. I can see where they are coming from, as a lot of heterosexual male and gay porn is (to me) completely unerotic, showing brightly-lit close-ups of body parts, alongside a backing track of fake groans and moans.
 
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RE: Why No Man-on-man Chic?

Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:56 am

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