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Cindy McCain: Onward Brave Faux First Lady!

Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:38 pm

Mea culpa, Cindy McCain.

....just when I think you're another bleach-blonde, Chanel-suited, leathery-skinned 2008 version of the ueber-Republican Stepford Wife, you throw a curve ball and jet across the world to that other Georgia ( a war zone!) and offer respite and words of comfort to several dozen refugees. No doubt bringing along an Anheuser-Busch CARE "package" or two, compliments of the Red, White and Blue.

...and all this while injured yourself and sporting a fashionable pink cast (..no painkillers, please!)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...0826-1159-georgia-mccainswife.html

Cindy, you have carried many mantles in your life -- beer heiress, thief, addict, immoral homewrecker -- indeed, you're an entire Lifetime Network for Women Movie of the Week all rolled up into one.

Now...add one more title -- tireless globetrotter for peace and defender of American values. Just like the noble sort-of-reformed skank Diana, Princess of Wales was (um, except cross out that American part).

Godspeed, Cindy Hensley McCain....godspeed, fair first lady-in-training.



 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:14 pm

Ahhh, so you don't like her, eh?
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:19 pm



Quoting Johnboy (Thread starter):
Just like the noble sort-of-reformed skank Diana, Princess of Wales

I'm sure someone is going to get offend over that, she was very respected by many, many people. . .
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:24 pm

Ok, so even though Cindy travelled half way around the world, that's a bad thing while Michelle Obama sits on The View gossiping??

hmmm....

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Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:33 pm

Johnboy.

Is there a point, or are you just quoting the hate-speach that comes from the DNC's more zelous retarded supporters?
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:22 pm



Quoting Johnboy (Thread starter):
Cindy, you have carried many mantles in your life -- beer heiress, thief, addict, immoral homewrecker -- indeed, you're an entire Lifetime Network for Women Movie of the Week all rolled up into one.

Are you kidding? Mrs. McCain inherited her money, so? If the press is correct she actually is quite involved in running her business. As far as getting addicted to drugs, isn't that a rite of passage in the US these days? Britney, Lindsay, and even Mr. Obama's brief usage of drugs.

Homewrecking? Now this is an equal opportunity trait amongst Liberals and GOP'ers.

The woman has done a lot of charity work, so she isn't a complete flake. Actually I think the Diana analogy is quite telling, except Mrs. McCain isn't the stunning beauty that Princess Diana was.
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:42 pm

Johnboy, You can't aren't worthy to hold Cindy McCain's bags.

Cindy McCain founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) 20 years ago, which provided medical teams (kinda like MASH units) to places like Iraq, Kuwait, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Bangladesh and Vietnam in case of wars or natural disasters. She personally led 55 such missions.

She is no stranger to dropping into a crisis area, and unlike most such visitors, she has a history of actually helping, rather than just taking the tour for photo-ops like a typical politician.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:03 pm

Is Cindy's name going to appear on the ballot? Yeah sure
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:11 pm

Johnboy clearly wasn't "hiking" or "enjoying life" (as his profile says) when he wrote up this POS post...  sarcastic 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:00 pm

Cindy McCain for all intents and purposes could have simply settled for a life like Paris Hilton. She was young , pretty ,rich and moving with Southern California / Arizona elite crowd. She could have done all the jet set movie star BS ... but she became a special education teacher. She did not want to work for her dad , so she became a teacher working with Special needs children.

I met her a couple of years ago at the Az School for the deaf and blind here in Tucson. She is one cool lady , and to this day much respected by the quiet volunteer's here in Az.

I would compare her in some ways with Princess Dianna , not the nobility part and the glamour. Comparisons to her efforts of charity and selfishness , you know things that really count.

I am not saying she is a saint , just seems to me to be a person who does care for the well-being of others.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:16 pm

The real point is that the right is always emphasizing "character", and whatever else she has going for her, Cindy Lou's "character" is still that of an adulterous, narcotic addicted, drug stealing tramp. She's not on the ballot, but she's not off the hook any more than Theresa Kerry was last time around. Speaking of "character", her husband's is lacking as well. He came home from Vietnam and found that, rather than the beauty queen he married, his first wife
was fat and crippled from a serious car accident. His reaction was to cheat on her extensively and take Cindy as his mistress for the final year of his first marriage. John and Cindy married one month after his divorce. Sorry, but that's really sleazy.

If the right wingers who insisted "character" was an important criterion for choosing the President in the past four elections were true to their word, rather than hypocritical, they would reject John and Cindy immediately for failing that test. Their behavior was just as tawdry and dishonorable as Bill Clinton's, but then he was a Democrat. Apparently, only Democrats can fail the test of "character" that right wingers emphasize so strongly.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:35 pm



Quoting Dvk (Reply 10):
Apparently, only Democrats can fail the test of "character" that right wingers emphasize so strongly.

Who has failed the right winger test of character ? Kerry ? Gore ? Clinton ? Obama ? Who ?

The McCain's have never denied the issue , and we are not electing saints . I never did care WTF Bill Clinton did , but he put his finger in my face and said he did not do it. He is a Liar, thats all , and frankly is proving to be quite the A hole in this election as well.

Cindy McCain has had problems and experiences much like all of us have in our lives , they are humans.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:35 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Johnboy, You can't aren't worthy to hold Cindy McCain's bags.



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
Johnboy clearly wasn't "hiking" or "enjoying life" (as his profile says) when he wrote up this POS post...

Tsk, tsk....i am wounded by your words.

Quoting USXguy (Reply 3):
Ok, so even though Cindy travelled half way around the world, that's a bad thing while Michelle Obama sits on The View gossiping??

 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 11):
Cindy McCain has had problems and experiences much like all of us have in our lives , they are humans.

Ah, but that is where the McCains fail. How can mere humans compare to the Messiah, sent to us by God (as Pelosi said last week) to heal the nation, turn back the waters et al.

A telling episode was last week's quasi-debate with Rick Warren. When Warren asked each to describe their worst personal failure, McCain said "the destruction of my first marriage", for which he took full responsibility. Obama mentioned his drug use, and blamed it on an attitude of "selfishness" - but then he immediately said that selfishness was pervasive throughout our society. He's not entirely wrong, but it sounded to me like, "Yeah, I did something wrong, but everyone was doing it!" Very lame.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:51 pm



Quoting USXguy (Reply 3):
I forgot that when you are a Republican, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't, liberals are always right, you are always wrong.

Ha. That's malarky -

Liberals are much more maligned than conservatives are.

Conversatives can pretty much do no wrong:

- Received mediocre or below average marks in school? No big deal W - you're an average joe!

- Became addicted to pain killers? That's ummm ... OK I guess ... we just won't talk about it, Rush.

- Cheated on your wife while riling against others' infidelity? You're still a winner Newty - just don't come forward until 10 years after the fact.

- Found Christianity later in life? Your story's remarkable, W.

- Married to an attractive, wealthy beverage heiress and can't count how many houses you own? We know how hard it is to remember which ones are condos, dwellings orinvestment properties, John.

- Avoided the Vietnam war through chummy draft board friends and a sweet appointment to an Air National Guard unit? No problem, Dick/W, you're real Patriots.

While for liberals it's like this:

- Harvard graduate? You'r a hoity toity elitist, Barack, not to mention out of touch with the common man!

- Vietnam veteran? You're full of it, Kerry, you enlisted for political purposes and then exaggurated what happened.

- Graduated from law school in the bottom 50% of your class? Biden - you're not smart enough to be vice president.

- Found Christianity later in life - We all know you're really a muslim, Barack.

- Married to an attractive, wealthy food heiress - You're a snobby elitist, Kerry.


... It's hardly a level playing field.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:03 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
"the destruction of my first marriage

No, McCain said "the FAILURE of my first marriage". He did not say "destruction", and he did not take responsibility for it in any way. He said it as if it were something that just happened, and did not acknowledge that his adultery had anything to do with it.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 11):
He is a Liar, thats all

That's what you guys always try to say...that you only care because Clinton lied about Monica, but that's not the entire truth. It's old news now, but the fact of the hypocrisy in excusing McCain, and giving him much more credit for accepting responsibility than he really has acknowledged, is something that's not going to go away.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Ah, but that is where the McCains fail. How can mere humans compare to the Messiah, sent to us by God (as Pelosi said last week) to heal the nation, turn back the waters et al.



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 14):
Ah, but that is where the McCains fail. How can mere humans compare to the Messiah, sent to us by God (as Pelosi said last week) to heal the nation, turn back the waters et al.

Republicans should be the last one making light of Obama being "the one." Wasn't Reagan relegated to near God-like status by conservatives? And GW Bush was noted by so many Christian Leaders as being God sent to put Christianity back into the Government? I'm just saying, it's a bit hypocritical for Republicans to attack with the hero-worship angle.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:56 pm



Quoting Dvk (Reply 15):
That's what you guys always try to say...

I didn't try to say it , I said it.

Really I am voting for McCain because he is saying that he wants to cut spending and lower taxes. He wants to cut programs that Sen Obama wants to triple in size. Personally I dont care what he did in his past , just like I dont care much about Obama's "character".( What little he shows that isnt cut from some script writer somewhere). I want less government and lower taxes ... period.

The fact that as a Admirals son, J.McCain could have taken a nice cushy job at Pearl instead of flying A-4's over Hanoi is just icing on the cake.


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Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting Dvk (Reply 15):
No, McCain said "the FAILURE of my first marriage". He did not say "destruction",

Sorry, I was speaking from memory. But effectively it is the same.

Quoting Dvk (Reply 15):
and he did not take responsibility for it in any way. He said it as if it were something that just happened, and did not acknowledge that his adultery had anything to do with it.

The quote is below. The question was what was YOUR greatest moral failure. McCain recognizes clearly that the failure was his. He made no excuses either.

Q. WHAT'S BEEN YOUR

GREATEST MORAL FAILURE AND WHAT HAS BEEN THE -- WHAT DO

YOU THINK IS THE GREATEST MORAL FAILURE OF AMERICA?

A. MY GREATEST MORAL FAILING, AND I HAVE BEEN A

VERY IMPERFECT PERSON IS THE FAILURE OF MY FIRST

MARRIAGE. AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT'S MY GREATEST MORAL FAILURE.



Messing up in your life is hardly unusual. We all screw up sometimes. But if you admit your mistakes and face the consequences, most people will forgive you eventually.

But if you refuse to admit a mistake, or if you try to pass the blame on someone else, or otherwise try to whitewash it, it is the mark of a coward and a person of low moral character - someone whom you can't trust. This is why people got all on Clinton's back.

to quote the line from Josey Wales: "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."

Now - I have to admit a mistake - Contrary to what I said before, Obama did not immediately turn around and say "everyone else does it too". Sorry for that.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
Really I am voting for McCain because he is saying that he wants to cut spending and lower taxes.

That's great - if I was running for president, would you vote for me if I said I wanted to grow money trees in everyone's yard?

McCain hasn't said a lick of how he actually plans to cut any spending; he's just running for president on the ultra-blowhard "small government, less taxes" mantra that doesn't produce any results but does motivate people to vote for candidates who say it.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:20 pm



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 18):
That's great - if I was running for president, would you vote for me if I said I wanted to grow money trees in everyone's yard?

McCain hasn't said a lick of how he actually plans to cut any spending; he's just running for president on the ultra-blowhard "small government, less taxes" mantra that doesn't produce any results but does motivate people to vote for candidates who say it.

You forget the other Repubican argument. When people bring up the booming economy under Bill Clinton, he was actually just a "Tax and spend Liberal" who's economic sucess was either a result of "luck" or "the result policies of the previous administration." If all else fails, and people bring up the record debt under this president, the response is "the president is generally not the most responsible for the economy," or "tell that to the Democrat congress" (who have only been in power 2 years).
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:27 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
didn't try to say it , I said it.

That still doesn't make it the entire truth, but discussing it further won't change either of our views.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
voting for McCain because he is saying that he wants to cut spending and lower taxes.

for the rich, just like W. Fat chance of cutting spending when McCain keeps us in Iraq indefinitely and keeps making threatening gestures toward Russia. Just look for us to keep hocking the USA to China and ballooning the national debt.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
Obama's "character".( What little he shows that isnt cut from some script writer somewhere

You can do better than that.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
The fact that as a Admirals son, J.McCain could have taken a nice cushy job at Pearl instead of flying A-4's over Hanoi is just icing on the cake.

Please! The son and grandson of Admirals, who got a dubious legacy appointment to Annapolis, graduated at the very bottom of his class, was always known as a hothead and hellraiser who didn't like to follow the rules. At the height of Vietnam, it would have been extremely difficult for him to take a cushy position, especially as the son of an Admiral. That would have reflected very badly on both his father and grandfather. Yes, it took courage for him to do what he did in Vietnam, but courage doesn't automatically equal character. Yes, McCain is a war hero, but that's where it stops. He is otherwise as sleazy as they get--calling Cindy a c*** and a trollope in public, talking in public about how she would win a wet t-shirt contest, etc. Now that he's pandering more and more to the right to try to win, he is even lying when he tries to cling to his obsolete claim of being a "maverick".

Wesley Clark was right. McCain is a war hero, but that doesn't mean he will be a good President. And he and Cindy are still sleazy.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:03 pm



Quoting Johnboy (Thread starter):

Woah, that picture of McCain sure shows his age!.
 
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Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 20):
If all else fails, and people bring up the record debt under this president, the response is "the president is generally not the most responsible for the economy," or "tell that to the Democrat congress" (who have only been in power 2 years).

Ahh yes - the good skapegoat technique:

- Rack up the highest national debt in history? Don't worry W, it's the democrats fault.

Quoting Dvk (Reply 21):
Please! The son and grandson of Admirals, who got a dubious legacy appointment to Annapolis, graduated at the very bottom of his class, was always known as a hothead and hellraiser who didn't like to follow the rules.

Ah right - and this one too:

- Graduate at the bottom of your Academy class with more than 100 demerits every year? Heck John, you're a maverick!
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting Dvk (Reply 21):
At the height of Vietnam, it would have been extremely difficult for him to take a cushy position, especially as the son of an Admiral. That would have reflected very badly on both his father and grandfather. Yes, it took courage for him to do what he did in Vietnam, but courage doesn't automatically equal character.

That didn't stop most people from dodging the draft or otherwise making use of their connections. If you recall McCain was offered early release in Vietnam but didn't take it. That shows character.

Admitting that he was at fault for his marriage's failure and then covering all of his ex's medical bills and giving her a very generous settlement also shows character.

Neither Cindy or John McCain is a saint. I think the smear attacks on Cindy aren't fair. She made a few mistakes, and given the state of America's so called moral fabric what's she's done is considered mainstream these days.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 20):
When people bring up the booming economy under Bill Clinton, he was actually just a "Tax and spend Liberal" who's economic sucess was either a result of "luck" or "the result policies of the previous administration." If all else fails, and people bring up the record debt under this president, the response is "the president is generally not the most responsible for the economy

It two separate things really. The President isn't really responsible for the economy, the economy is lke riding a wave that can be influenced by legislation or the Federal Reserve's actions.There is a far more critical eye being given to Greenspan's tenure given the Housing Mess this country is in.

Now the National Debt IS something you can attribute to the President. President Bush and the recent GOP Congress spent money like a drunken sailor, and this is why the GOP lost and deservedly so.

I don't believe in entitlement programs so this is why I won't vote for Obama. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility and this is not something the Democrats believe in.
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:42 pm

And Teresa Heinz Kerry wasn't "medicated"? Please!

In fact, you could tell when she was giving a speech or an interview whether
or not she was on the pills.

I've never heard Cindy McCain give a holier than thou speech. Yes, the woman
has had some pitfalls in her life. But she doesn't seem to be sitting on her ass
all day eating bon-bons. She didn't have to go to Georgia, or any other of the
less fortunate areas of our planet. But she did and does. That's probably more
than all of us on this forum combined.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:40 pm



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 25):
And Teresa Heinz Kerry wasn't "medicated"? Please!

In fact, you could tell when she was giving a speech or an interview whether
or not she was on the pills.

Prove it. I won't waste time waiting, because you can't.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 24):
Admitting that he was at fault for his marriage's failure and then covering all of his ex's medical bills and giving her a very generous settlement also shows character

He hasn't admitted that he was at fault. He's just made a vague reference to regretting the "failure" of his first marriage. The latter proves nothing more than that he's politically shrewd, and knew that an angry, poor as well as betrayed and abandoned ex would be an even larger political liability.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 24):
That didn't stop most people from dodging the draft or otherwise making use of their connections

Another false statement. Most people neither dodged nor had connections to use to avoid the draft. Many used college deferment to delay being drafted, and that was legal. Again, as the son and grandson of Admirals, anything McCain might have done that suggested anything other than complete and total dedication to the military would have defamed his father and grandfather. Whatever character McCain displayed by staying in the military is easily offset by the sleaziness of his personal life.

Again, the only reason I really care about this is because of all the moralistic posturing by the right in the past, while now trying to rationalize that McCain is really a great guy who is of the character, integrity, and temperament to be President almost solely because he spent 5 1/2 years as a POW. Never mind that his personal life has been largely a mess, but that doesn't matter because he's not a Democrat. It's political hypocrisy, and nothing else.
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:13 pm



Quoting Dvk (Reply 26):
He hasn't admitted that he was at fault.

Riiiight...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specia...ticles/0301mccainbio-chapter5.html

"Sound marriages can be hard to recover after great time and distance have separated a husband and wife. We are different people when we reunite," McCain wrote. "But my marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine.""

Quoting Dvk (Reply 26):
Another false statement. Most people neither dodged nor had connections to use to avoid the draft.

Yet you cite Student Deferements as an example of those who avoided the draft. Just because it was "legal" doesn't make it right.

It didn't stop GWB from getting a sweetheart assignment in the Texas Air National Guard.

You keep harping about McCain's distinguished family, but you ignore the fact McCain could have easily avoided a post that put him in Hanoi's gunsights. McCain volunteered to go on the Oriksany despite it's high casualty rate. He knew what he was getting himself into and he could have done anything else. Just because he was from a military family doesn't mean he was obligated to do anything.

He could have accepted early release but he didn't despite having very serious injuries and despite being advised to do so by his superior officer. Others did accept early release. So that's not character?

His son also has served in Iraq. Sounds like someone with a semblance of character to me.

One failed marriage doesn't make someone "sleazy." leave it up to a liberal to generalize and be so "open minded"
 
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
But if you admit your mistakes and face the consequences, most people will forgive you eventually.

What mistake? That was no mistake.
 
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Quoting USXguy (Reply 3):
I forgot that when you are a Republican, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't, liberals are always right, you are always wrong.

Adding to reply 14 as it relates to this campaign. If the surge is working as well as has been reported and Obama knows that from going there, its better for him to deny it and please his base and deal with the inexperience attacks than to acknowledge that their is progress being made.

This is because his base will be pissed and the flip-flopper attacks will start.

When you have this in politics the people will never ever be told the truth.

To change the subject slightly here are the dame things that Obama has that I think still do him good standing to win.

- He is over 6 feet tall and McCain in 5'7 and no president ever has been elected that was shorter than 6 feet. The taller you are the more people pay attention to you.

- He has no real military experience and in the last 4 elections the vet has lost to the draft dodger, proving at least in the recent past military service means bubcus.

- Obama has the charisma to convince people of anything, and in most cases the better salesperson can make you buy what they are selling even though it may be the inferior product. McCain I feel makes it difficult to convince people of much which is why he has to attack Obama. This will become evident during the debates and I predict McCain will lose his temper.

Bush did this against Kerry and Gore, Reagan did it against Carter and Bubba did it against Bush Sr.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
it sounded to me like, "Yeah, I did something wrong, but everyone was doing it!" Very lame.

Selfishness is the same thing as "everyone is doing it?" That does not make sense. Barak did something wrong, he admitted to it and is clean now.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
he wants to cut spending and lower taxes

Yes. That will definetly pay down the debt W racked up borrowing from Saudi Arabia and China.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 24):
I think the smear attacks on Cindy aren't fair

And Barak has not had any smears against him. He kept the Muslim name his father gave him, so he must be a Muslim. Even though he was married in a Christian church, had his children baptized Christian and attended a Christian church for over 20 years. That is not good enough.
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 30):
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):
he wants to cut spending and lower taxes

Yes. That will definetly pay down the debt W racked up borrowing from Saudi Arabia and China.

Right, and Sen Obama's massive public spending is really going to solve anything? Oh wait, Jimmy Carter's Windfall Profit Tax will save the day.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 30):
And Barak has not had any smears against him. He kept the Muslim name his father gave him, so he must be a Muslim. Even though he was married in a Christian church, had his children baptized Christian and attended a Christian church for over 20 years. That is not good enough.

Ummm, don't put words in my mouth. And Cindy McCain isn't running for President. People calling McCain senile, sleazy, "McSame" and purporting all sorts of lies about him are fair?

It's politics. If Michelle Obama is supposedly off limits, so should Cindy, especially given her massive charitable contributions.
 
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:29 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 27):
One failed marriage doesn't make someone "sleazy."

And leave it to a right-winger to trivialize McCain's sleazy private life as "one failed marriage". "One failed marriage" characterized Reagan, and nobody held that against him, including me. I even voted for him in my less enlightened youth. McCain is another matter entirely. Your quote is from an article written nearly a year and a half ago, and McCain hasn't made any such dramatic statement recently, certainly not at the megachurch interview session. That article is actually disgusting, because it plays up the romantic side of his and Cindy's affair, and fawningly spins events in McCain's favor. In contrast, I suspect you probably believe the completely refuted lies of the Swift Boaters, some of whose bankrollers are already hard at work with vicious, lie-filled ads again, yet you complain about people calling McCain "McSame"? Unbelievable!
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Quoting Dvk (Reply 32):
And leave it to a right-winger to trivialize McCain's sleazy private life as "one failed marriage". "One failed marriage" characterized Reagan, and nobody held that against him, including me. I even voted for him in my less enlightened youth. McCain is another matter entirely. Your quote is from an article written nearly a year and a half ago, and McCain hasn't made any such dramatic statement recently, certainly not at the megachurch interview session. That article is actually disgusting, because it plays up the romantic side of his and Cindy's affair, and fawningly spins events in McCain's favor. In contrast, I suspect you probably believe the completely refuted lies of the Swift Boaters, some of whose bankrollers are already hard at work with vicious, lie-filled ads again, yet you complain about people calling McCain "McSame"? Unbelievable!

Wow there you go again with the Generalizations...

You said McCain never admitted fault, I showed a quote in which he did AND he called it his greatest Moral Failing on National Television

You said McCain was sleazy, but I've pointed out enough instances where he didn't take the easy way out

You say a broken marriage makes someone sleazy, and I point out divorce in America is common, and infidelity being part of the cause, so I guess everyone who's cheated in a relationship is now sleazy?

You have no facts, so like a typical liberal engage in personal attacks. You engage in this holier than thou mentality, but do you practice what you preach?

What about the Swift Boaters? John Kerry is my state Senator and he's done jack for the state of MA. Just another windbag. He ran a crappy campaign and lost, get over it.
 
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
I've pointed out enough instances where he didn't take the easy way out

You pointed out exactly one.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
I showed a quote

from an article so blatantly slanted to favor McCain that it's an obvious attempt to neutralize the sleaziness of what he did.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
You have no facts,

Name ONE thing I've siad that isn't a fact. I have concluded that McCain is sleazy based on the facts, which are irrefutable.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
so like a typical liberal engage in personal attacks

Look in the mirror, dude, and replace liberal with right-winger.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
What about the Swift Boaters?

They were vicious, amoral liars who were refuted completely, albeit too late due to Kerry's retrospectively naive refusal to fight them on their own level.. When T. Boone Pickens reneged on his offer to pay a million dollars to anyone who could prove they were liars, it wasn't because the groups who proved the Swift Boaters wrong hadn't met Pickens' challenge, it was because MULTIPLE groups had proven the Slime Boaters wrong. Pickens then just said everyone had misunderstood his challenge and refused to pay. That's the kind of gutter politics the right-wingers play, yet you have the audacity to complain that "liberals" are treating McCain unfairly by calling him McSame.
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:58 am



Quoting Dvk (Reply 26):
Quoting PSA727 (Reply 25):
And Teresa Heinz Kerry wasn't "medicated"? Please!

In fact, you could tell when she was giving a speech or an interview whether
or not she was on the pills.

Prove it. I won't waste time waiting, because you can't.

If Theresa wasn't "medicated" she needed to be....what the hell was up with her hair!?!?

On John McCain.

I would point out that he and his first wife where married in 65', Shot down in 67' and then didn't get released until 73 and was already seperated from his wife by 79 when he met Cindy (Source Biography.com)

So, after a year-year and a half of marrage he didn't see her again for over 5 years. Sorry but getting the crap kicked out of you on a daily basis by some gook prison guard for five years is going to change you. We have military couples that don't have marriges that survive a one-year deployment in peacetime!

I don't fault either John or his first wife for the breakup of that marraige...actually I am a bit surprised that they had kept it together as long as their had, but then again back in the 70's divorce was still somewhat socially unacceptable.
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:16 am



Quoting Dvk (Reply 34):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
I've pointed out enough instances where he didn't take the easy way out

You pointed out exactly one.

More like three.Count his stance on Iraq, Campaign Finance Reform, Immigration Reform and others too.

Quoting Dvk (Reply 34):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
I showed a quote

from an article so blatantly slanted to favor McCain that it's an obvious attempt to neutralize the sleaziness of what he did.

You wrongly asserted McCain has not admitted fault, I proved you wrong.
So just because you don't like the source, McCain's direct quotes aren't valid?

Quoting Dvk (Reply 34):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
You have no facts,

Name ONE thing I've siad that isn't a fact. I have concluded that McCain is sleazy based on the facts, which are irrefutable.

Show some evidence, not unsubstantiated opinion..Do you have evidence from Carol McCain? Anything other than biased spin on the private dealings of the McCain marriage? Proof that McCain actually called his wife those things other than quoting from three "anonymous reporters" cited from a book with a clear anti-McCain agenda? Nope, just opinions.

How come Carol McCain is still on good terms with her ex and refuses to talk to the Press? Don't you think she could make millions in this day and age if she published all the sordid details about their marriage?

The guy admitted he screwed up, was extremely generous to his first wife to the extent of paying her medical bills. What more do you want from him?

You're teeing off on Cindy McCain because she is rich, had an affair and dealt with some drug addiction problems. Ok big deal her story is pretty mainstream these days.

Yet you seem to ignore how much she's done for charity to the extent of adopting a Bangladeshi girl. Others have expounded on Mrs. McCain's charitable contributions some more.

That's pretty much more than mainstream Hollywood except for Angelina Jolie.

Quoting Dvk (Reply 34):

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 33):
so like a typical liberal engage in personal attacks

Look in the mirror, dude, and replace liberal with right-winger.

Again broad generalizations. Sorry I don't parrot from the book of the Dems or the Republicans. I have a brain and I use it. Unlike you, I don't engage in personal attacks and pointless name calling that most people on this board do. If you're going to attack Cindy McCain back it up with irrefutable facts.
 
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 36):
If you're going to attack Cindy McCain back it up with irrefutable facts.

I did, and your spin doesn't change that. It all comes back to what I said initially, political hypocrisy. If a Democratic candidate had all the personal baggage that Mr. and Mrs. McBush
have, that would be the principal focus of the right-wingers' campaign. Character assassination is the right wingers' specialty, as the legacies of Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, and others prove. I don't give a rat's ass that Cindy is rich, and have not criticized her wealth (so much for your claim about generalizations). She didn't just deal with addiction, she STOLE narcotics. That's illegal, just like Clinton's "lie". Why doesn't it matter in her case? Because she's the wife of the Republican candidate, pure and simple.
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:58 am



Quoting Johnboy (Thread starter):



Quoting USXguy (Reply 3):



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5):



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 9):



Quoting Dvk (Reply 10):



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 14):



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 25):

Do you people hear yourselves!?

It's just politics! In fact, it's not even politics... it's just bitching/complaining/defending/excusing issues about some dude's wife.

How the hell is any of this remotely relevant to this election!? America is going down the tubes, with trash like this permeating the political debate.  Yeah sure

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 29):
He is over 6 feet tall and McCain in 5'7 and no president ever has been elected that was shorter than 6 feet. The taller you are the more people pay attention to you.

lol although I did find this comment rather funny... simple because of the following:

5 ft 11½ in
Richard Nixon
5 ft 11 in
George W. Bush
Grover Cleveland
Herbert Hoover
Woodrow Wilson
5 ft 10½ in
Dwight D. Eisenhower
5 ft 10 in
Calvin Coolidge
Andrew Johnson
Franklin Pierce
Theodore Roosevelt
5 ft 9 in
Jimmy Carter
Millard Fillmore
Harry S. Truman
5 ft 8½ in
Rutherford B. Hayes
5 ft 8 in
William Henry Harrison
James Polk
Zachary Taylor
5 ft 7¾ in
Ulysses S. Grant
5 ft 7½ in
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
William McKinley
5 ft 6 in
Benjamin Harrison
Martin Van Buren
5 ft 4 in
James Madison

... no president has ever been elected, who is shorter than 6ft?! Only 2/5 were taller than 6ft, LOL!  Silly

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Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:35 pm

Hey UH60 - glad to hear you're still alive and typing!

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 38):
Do you people hear yourselves!?

It's just politics! In fact, it's not even politics... it's just bitching/complaining/defending/excusing issues about some dude's wife.

Please note that in my posts, I said nothing inflammatory, in defense or against McCain's wife.  Smile
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:55 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 38):
Do you people hear yourselves!?

It's just politics! In fact, it's not even politics... it's just bitching/complaining/defending/excusing issues about some dude's wife.

How the hell is any of this remotely relevant to this election!? America is going down the tubes, with trash like this permeating the political debate.

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Quoting Dvk (Reply 26):
a great guy who is of the character, integrity, and temperament to be President almost solely because he spent 5 1/2 years as a POW.

Yeah.. right.. integrity, character, and temperament. Right.

He is for "inhanced interrogation" even though he spent all those years in a POW camp enduring "inhanced interrogation." Back then, we called it torture. We are at war (war on terror, anyone?) and have set up POW camps across the world. But, the Republicans insist this is not a war, so they are not POWs.

Add to that, he is a war veteran that votes against veteran's benefits but for war funding. That means no raises for returning soldiers, foreclosures on debts owed by those on active duty, and minimal care for those who lose limbs, sight, or hearing while serving in the war.

His temper is documented.

How many of his staff did he have to let go when it was found out they were part of a marketing firm hired by the military government in Myanmar to give themselves a positive image? What about his foreign advisor who is/was also a lobbyist for the nation of Georgia while taking a salary from McShame?

Tell me again why I should vote for McShame?
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:57 pm



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 18):
McCain hasn't said a lick of how he actually plans to cut any spending; he's just running for president on the ultra-blowhard "small government, less taxes" mantra that doesn't produce any results but does motivate people to vote for candidates who say it.

Yep he may being lying , he may do just the opposite but I have to cast my vote for someone. The chances are very small that any programs will be cut , but at least I can vote for someone who at least mentions it.

UH-60 Glad you are well man , The discussion was about Mrs. McCain ... someone who I actually met and admire. I am not voting for Sen McCain because of her , but she does not do him harm either.
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 41):

He is for "inhanced interrogation" even though he spent all those years in a POW camp enduring "inhanced interrogation." Back then, we called it torture. We are at war (war on terror, anyone?) and have set up POW camps across the world. But, the Republicans insist this is not a war, so they are not POWs.

Hmm interesting point.. I guess his suffering would not count as much if he were at Guantanamo now.. interesting semantics
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:11 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 38):

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 29):
He is over 6 feet tall and McCain in 5'7 and no president ever has been elected that was shorter than 6 feet. The taller you are the more people pay attention to you.

lol although I did find this comment rather funny... simple because of the following:

5 ft 11½ in
Richard Nixon
5 ft 11 in
George W. Bush

Thanks UH60. For a moment I worried how the cameras had shown him to be not much taller than our little gnome, the Man of Steel. I do wonder, however, if 5ft 11ins might not be a little on the generous side - Howard seems to be about 5'5''. Does make me wonder if the 5' 11" is accurate.
 
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:12 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 42):
The chances are very small that any programs will be cut , but at least I can vote for someone who at least mentions it.

OK, so - you do realize you just invalidated any argument you've previously mentioned about voting for McCain, and cast yourself in the lot of the stereotypical American voter who apparently doesn't care a whit about substance and focuses on style and speaking points instead?

It's nice that you at least admit it, but my goodness - that's a terrible reason to vote for someone.

You basically called him a possible liar in your own post!

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Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:33 pm



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 45):
You basically called him a possible liar in your own post!

I said that it is possible he is lying about cutting taxes , basically being a politician and saying what he has to say to get my vote.

I guess I could say the same about Sen Obama . maybe he is lying and really is not going to raise taxes and increase spending .

Too add ,there are only two choices my man , and I was replying about the tax and spend issue. Sen Obama believes and states very clearly that the government needs to save us all from ourselves one Federal program at a time . Sen Obama is a liberal socialists who clearly believes in wealth distribution ... Sen McCain does not . That is not to say that Sen Obama is some evil guy , that is just the truth about it. If you believe the way he does than vote for him , thats all.
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:17 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 46):
Sen Obama believes and states very clearly that the government needs to save us all from ourselves one Federal program at a time . Sen Obama is a liberal socialists who clearly believes in wealth distribution

Grossly exaggerated and false generalization, but then only us "typical liberals" do that, according to one of our other A.net friends.  Wink
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Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:34 pm

I wonder what the average blood pressure is of the respondents to this thread... duck 
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Quoting Dvk (Reply 47):
Grossly exaggerated and false generalization,

he has made it pretty damned clear in the past. Class envy is one of the bulkheads of American Liberalism and socialism.
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