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What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:33 pm

Larry King show last night after the RNC . The African American guests commented over and over that the GOP never has reached out to them (as African Americans) .

One of the guest started her comments by joking that their were no African Americans in the crowd , and that it was symbolic of the Republican party. My question is why ? What do the Democrats do to attract African Americans ?

Take Katrina for instance, why did we not hear African Americans point to the 8 years of the Clinton administrations lack of FEMA planning? Why did we not here African American leaders complain about Nagen and the floating school buses ?

Is it all based on the promises of government assistance ? Do African Americans in America really believe that the Federal government can make their lives better ?

We hear that 95% of African Americans are going to vote for Sen Obama , is it all based on race ? Or do they believe the promises and ideas the Senator tells them are true ?
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):

Is it all based on the promises of government assistance ? Do African Americans in America really believe that the Federal government can make their lives better ?

I think that for whatever reason (historical, economical, educational, cultural -that's not the point of this discussion), most (?) African Americans are generally in need of more assistance that their white counter parts. Democratic social program usually appeal to those who need them more

Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):

Is it all based on the promises of government assistance ?

Its a matter of scale. Big companies also expect some kind of "government assistance" - generally provided by Republicans in the form of tax breaks
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:38 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):

Is it all based on the promises of government assistance ? Do African Americans in America really believe that the Federal government can make their lives better ?

I think that for whatever reason (historical, economical, educational, cultural -that's not the point of this discussion), most (?) African Americans are generally in need of more assistance that their white counter parts. Democratic social program usually appeal to those who need them more

For the most part,I feel this is where the media has missed in asking the big question.What is the solution of ultra-libral,African-Americans in which we seem to always come up short?The Democrats favorite solution and battle cry for years has been tax the rich,tax the rich.Yet after decades,the poor remain poor(er).The Robin Hood theory doesn't work.The Democrats are just at fault for sugar coating as the Republicans total negligence to the issue.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:40 pm

Your question makes no sense what so ever. You speak as of all African Americans think the same way and expect some sort of government hand out of some sort.

Keep in mind, Senator Obama isn't making race an issue in this election. It's those that want him to lose that are making a big deal out of his race.
Also, Blacks have usually voted Democratic by 90% margins so don't expect it to change much in this election cycle.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:42 pm



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 2):
.The Democrats are just at fault for sugar coating as the Republicans total negligence to the issue.

Wow! I have had 2 agreements in two separate threads! I am on a roll today!
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:54 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Also, Blacks have usually voted Democratic by 90% margins so don't expect it to change much in this election cycle

This goes to the root of the question ... Why ? Most of the big cities are run by democrats with democratic platforms yet it is apparent that it is failing ? Why are they so entrenched in the ideas of these failures ?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Senator Obama isn't making race an issue in this election

Really ? I have not heard any Republican that I respect make any issue of his race .. I did hear Sen Obama make it a issue on several occasions. I understand why he would , it is a historic event and should be a positive step forward for us ... why then are we still looking across no mans land at each other. ? Should we vote for him just because he is African American ?

When I say , lower taxes are good for the American people .. I dont mean just white people .! We are all American people , why does the other side just assume we are talking about white people. ?
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:57 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 5):
why does the other side just assume we are talking about white people. ?

Who on earth are you talking about?
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:10 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Who on earth are you talking about?

Read my post , I was talking about the guest (Democrats) on Larry King last night. And with 90% of the African American electorate supporting Sen Obama (Democrats)... I just am asking why ?

Donna Brazil even made a comment last night , that the GOP has a long way to go to attract African Americans in any numbers ? How can the Clinton's do it and not the GOP ?

What do democrats promise that attracts African American voters in the numbers that they do ?
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
Take Katrina for instance, why did we not hear African Americans point to the 8 years of the Clinton administrations lack of FEMA planning?

Perhaps because the Bush administration had four and a half years to do something about the last administrations 'failings' in that area, and yet were still completely lacking when the shit hit the fan?
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:16 pm



Quoting Moo (Reply 8):
Perhaps because the Bush administration had four and a half years to do something about the last administrations 'failings' in that area, and yet were still completely lacking when the shit hit the fan?

It's a legitimate gripe, but they don't seem to hold their own Governor, State Government and Mayor Nagin responsible for making sure those levees and other support infrastructures were in place and in working order.

Mr. Bush certainly does deserve some blame, but not all of it! It was Louisiana's job to make sure they were prepared. It was the Government's job to back them up IF need be.

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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:19 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
Read my post , I was talking about the guest (Democrats) on Larry King last night.

...then you need to change your thread topic.
You are talking as if every single African American thinks exactly the same way. Perhaps you should ask; 'What does (insert Larry King's guest) want?'

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
What do democrats promise that attracts African American voters in the numbers that they do ?

Promise?
You're talking as if African Americans are 'wishing' for something. African American voters vote on issues that are important to them just as anyone else.
The Republican party is seen as race-baiters, bigots and antagonist against opportunity.
Keep in mind, 100 year ago it was the opposite. African Americans were mostly Republican.

Question for you AGM100; did you grow up going to school here in the USA?
Do you remember anything taught to you in school about US history?
This is just a question.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:20 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Also, Blacks have usually voted Democratic by 90% margins so don't expect it to change much in this election cycle.

That's right, and the question is why "do they all think like that." It does no good to deny the numbers because they are true. African Americans do vote democratic well over 75% for most all of the country.

Why?

There are probably a million reasons. Let's start with what they don't want. African Americans are not super concerned with evangelicism (which is religiously almost 100 pct white). The pro-life movement is also vast majority white. Look at the billboards. Have you ever seen a black baby on a pro-life billboard? Probably not; the reason may be that there _is_ in fact a shortage of adoptable white babies but there is a great plentitude of black babies. The adoption business is very racially segregated and the Christian Right is heavily concerned with this overall reproduction issue, which is basically a cultural war among whites (speaking of the abortion debate).

Another issue is union support (teachers, police, firemen, auto workers, steel workers) which are very well known to the black community and supported.

Finally there is the taxes issue which is largely based on individual preference. High net worth / high income people will lean Republican on that while low income / net worth people will lean Democrat. Democraphics suggest African Americans will support the Democrats on tax issues, because they are more concerned about beefing up the low end versus relieving the high end.

Culturally, and economically the Republican platform is mono-racial. If parts of the platform were exciting to black people they would join. But there is nothing there for them.

And also, the Democrats have a long history of paying tribute (and benefits) to the African American group, both coincidentally and specifically (affirmative action, targeted Federal dollars in black neighborhoods etc). This is a special political relationship that goes back to LBJ and probably further. Not saying any of this is "right" but it has how the game has shaken out in my view.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:26 pm

Flighty:
Worth noting, even high income earning Blacks still vote Democratic.
I've only met two Black Republicans in my entire life. None were particularly rich, just ordinary working class folks. One thing I did notice was that they seemed to have a really bad self-hatred complex.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:30 pm

As a born and bred Son of the South, I am going to tread lightly here.

John F. Kennedy. Robert F. Kennedy. Both were Democrats, both were supporters of the Civil Rights movement. Many Dixiecrats became Republicans in the 1960's (Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms). White southerners only recently began voting Republican on the local level because, gasp!, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican (Kirk Fordice in 1991 became the first Republican governor of the great state of Mississippi since Reconstruction). On the national level, the white south has traditionally had no problem with Republicans because many shared the same views of white southerners. In the south at least, the party lines have been drawn fairly clearly down racial boundaries.

To put the sweeping generalizations into play, Democrats are the party of social reform and welfare, and Republicans are the Country Club and Corporate Welfare Party.

The OP's question is a good one, but the answer is complex and one must look back generations and generations to get a clear picture of it.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:38 pm



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 13):
John F. Kennedy. Robert F. Kennedy. Both were Democrats, both were supporters of the Civil Rights movement. Many Dixiecrats became Republicans in the 1960's (Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms). White southerners only recently began voting Republican on the local level because, gasp!, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican (Kirk Fordice in 1991 became the first Republican governor of the great state of Mississippi since Reconstruction). On the national level, the white south has traditionally had no problem with Republicans because many shared the same views of white southerners. In the south at least, the party lines have been drawn fairly clearly down racial boundaries.

Exactly Right!!! When Dr. King was thrown in jail during the election of 1960, RFK pushed JFK to call Mrs. King. He did so and Mr. Nixon did not.

People call RFK the moral conscience of his brother..He pushed him hard on Civil Rights and they did succeed on desegregation. Much of the reforms came after JFK's death, but if there ever was a champion of minorities, especially African Americans it was Robert Kennedy.

(This is what doesn't make me a stereotypical Republican lol)

The Kennedys weren't perfect, but they had Moral Authority and Courage. How many politicians would have put their asses on the line like the Kennedys did for Civil Rights, just for doing the right thing? How many Presidents in today's world would go on camera and admit he just plain screwed up? (JFK after the Bay of Pigs)

It's sad we don't have that kind of leadership..it's all about soundbites and who is worse than the other...
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:50 pm



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 13):
Many Dixiecrats became Republicans in the 1960's (Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms). White southerners only recently began voting Republican on the local level because, gasp!, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican (Kirk Fordice in 1991 became the first Republican governor of the great state of Mississippi since Reconstruction).

That is correct.
Other Democrats that turned Republican were Trent Lott, David Duke, Phil Grahm and even Ronald Regan.
When Regan first ran for President, he chose Philadelphia, Mississippi to give a speech about his support of 'States Rights'. The 'States Rights' slogan was Strom Thurmond's campaign platform in 1948. Philadelphia, Mississippi was were two Jewish and one Black Civil Rights attorneys were killed in 1964.

This was to attract Southern White conservatives to his campaign.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:02 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Do you remember anything taught to you in school about US history?

Slavery , ? Are you referring to slavery ? Now if we had republicans up their talking about the good ol days on the plantation then that would be different. But we dont ! We have a platform of self reliance and economic growth for everyone not just whites.

Quoting Moo (Reply 8):
Perhaps because the Bush administration had four and a half years to do something about the last administrations failing's in that area, and yet were still completely lacking when the shit hit the fan?

Valid point , and I agree. But all the blame is on the republicans ... not the heavily democratic state/ local government .

Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 13):
put the sweeping generalizations into play, Democrats are the party of social reform and welfare, and Republicans are the Country Club and Corporate Welfare Party.

I was poor , my parents were never even in a country club ... I had nothing except the will to make a better life. I never got a break because I was white ... i got it because I was prepared and able to work with others. Why am I different ? My first boss was a African American , I had nothing but admiration for him and I learned alot from him. How could he get to his position when so many other African Americans claim its all about race. ? Really frustrating to see these kind of people on Larry King , all they do is make it worse for everyone.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:20 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 16):
I had nothing but admiration for him and I learned alot from him. How could he get to his position when so many other African Americans claim its all about race. ?

Glad you've met a hard working African American. Perhaps you should have this discussion with him. Did yo bother talking to him about this? You'll probably get more straight forward answers in person.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 16):
Really frustrating to see these kind of people on Larry King , all they do is make it worse for everyone.

I didn't see this show. Were his guest?


AGM100:
When you start threads like this, you attract garbage like in post # 17.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:05 pm

This is not meant to seem bigoted at all. I know many African Americans that I do like, but from an impersonal view, they tend to make less money. Why that is? That is a whole other topic but they want the government to seem as though it is working towards and with them with lower taxes, universal health care, and other benefits.

In my personal opinion, the President represents the country rather than directs the country. So, even if Obama does not accomplish the things that appeal to most blacks, it seems that for the black population, democrats represent them better, even if not that much change actually comes to fruition.

I go to a school with a large amount of black people and although a large portion of them do not care and are not very intelligent (which I believe is true of most average american kids), I know that a lot of their parents would really love to be able to get reliable treatment in a hospital and not worry about insurance while being secure that their kids will have a suitable and motivating education.

Remember, this is all speaking impersonally. I have nothing against blacks and people are people at the end of the day. But, in terms of the social and economic factors which most blacks fall into, the Democrat party supplies good representation and benefits.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:15 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 16):
But we dont ! We have a platform of self reliance and economic growth for everyone not just whites.

HAHAHAHAHA...boy you're really were absent during a lot of recent history weren't you?

Personally, I really think you're just 'playing' dumb.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 16):
I was poor , my parents were never even in a country club ... I had nothing except the will to make a better life. I never got a break because I was white ... i got it because I was prepared and able to work with others. Why am I different ? My first boss was a African American , I had nothing but admiration for him and I learned alot from him. How could he get to his position when so many other African Americans claim its all about race. ?

Hmmm..so every African American should do as you're boss and become 'bosses'..that's about as easy as you becoming President of Jamaica.

I strongly suggest..(since it's clear that great Historical episodes of Republicans fighting black-concern issues left and right within the gov't for years) you visit the recent thread here on race so you can make up for what you didn't learn is history.

What Do African Americans Want?

Perhaps.. a better question is what do 'What Do White Americans Want?"

Any idea?


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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:17 pm



Quoting GOwithCO332 (Reply 19):
I go to a school with a large amount of black people and although a large portion of them do not care and are not very intelligent (which I believe is true of most average american kids), I know that a lot of their parents would really love to be able to get reliable treatment in a hospital and not worry about insurance while being secure that their kids will have a suitable and motivating education.

The not caring about academics and lack of intelligence is an American epidemic, not isolated to any community.

I remember meeting my Kaplan SAT tutor, an Black Lawyer from Harvard (on scholarship too!!) who was just brilliant. The smartest guy I ever met. He was just the most gifted individual I have ever met, he had intellect, charm, charisma, and could take over a room like no one. His lessons on studying worked brilliantly and he was a sought after teacher.

There is discrimination towards the black community. I've seen it with my own eyes at companies I've worked for. One black applicant had the perfect resume, but made the mistake of including his website with his picture on it..

You could almost hear the white managers deflate..They cooked up some BS excuse not to hire the kid and hired some attractive white girl with half the qualifications of this guy.

My dad told me a story about a technician he hired over the objections of his brass. My dad was a Manager at a pretty well known Microwave Engineering company at the time (This was 1985).

He came across a resume from a guy who was applying for Electronics Technician job, fully qualified, but working on a construction site. My dad was surprised and called him in for an interview. The candidate was black. My dad told his Director he wanted to hire the guy, and they just rolled their eyes. My dad, like me, has a soft spot for the black community because of the shit we went through in England and do everything we can to help.

My dad hired the guy anyway, and later found out that this fully qualified Technician could not get hired and the only people who would hire him was a construction yard!!!! The only reason my dad asked him is because he would give my father expensive Christmas Gifts and my dad always wondered why.

This story was repeated a few times in the other rather reputable companies my dad worked for. He'd get tagged as a "sympathizer" because he always stood up for Black Americans.

I get the same crap too, when I advocate strongly for a Black candidate. I don't do it just because they are Black, but because they are qualified, often the best qualified.

So I can empathize. They have taken a lot of shit and even in cases where they are qualified face a ton of discrimination.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:19 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Glad you've met a hard working African American. Perhaps you should have this discussion with him. Did yo bother talking to him about this? You'll probably get more straight forward answers in person.

Well I have not seen him in 20 years , but I see your point. You know now that you mention it , I dont think I ever even thought about it then. I dont think I ever even thought about him being different or inferior or anything else . He was a great guy , he was my boss and treated me with respect as I did to him.

I guess he influenced me in alot of ways that I maybe did not realize. Now that I see African Americans (not all of course) but the ones who are getting press coverage saying the rules are different for them I dont understand it. As a republican I want to find some common ground thats all , African Americans are not relating to the GOP . The GOP leadership must find out what it is, and they better be including African Americans in our platform. What we need in the GOP is leadership who can relate our values to hard working Americans. We need leaders who can espouse our vision of Strong corporations and how a strong profitable top end helps all the citizens.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:33 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
There is discrimination towards the black community. I've seen it with my own eyes at companies I've worked for. One black applicant had the perfect resume, but made the mistake of including his website with his picture on it..

Happens frequently. It's too bad you had to see this but on the same token, I am glad you understand that this still goes on.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
What we need in the GOP is leadership who can relate our values to hard working Americans.

It's called the Democratic Party.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:42 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
Now that I see African Americans (not all of course) but the ones who are getting press coverage saying the rules are different for them I dont understand it.

Please review that thing called history as I and others gave suggested..

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
As a republican I want to find some common ground thats all , African Americans are not relating to the GOP .



And there in lies the problem.. YOU and just a few other Republicans want this.

The majority do not. Look at their voting patterns (the continuous election/re-election of past 'in-your-face' bigots like Jesse Helms, Thurmond, Trent Lott, etc... those guys couldn't have been there without a lot of support. A lot of support. Those who supported them..had children..now those children hold similar views to their parents and are now looking for new Helms, Thurmonds, Lotts and Gingrichs...

We all know the Republican Party wasn't always like that. Today's Republican Party would have lynched Lincoln (the Original Republican & GOP Party). But as posted above..it was the infusion and merging of Dixiecrats that brought the Republican Party to where it is now..ladened with extreme evangelicals (separatists) and racist elements. That's history you seem to either keep ignoring, or are woefully unaware of.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
The GOP leadership must find out what it is, and they better be including African Americans in our platform.

Will never happen. You'll have to neuter those with the 'dixiecrat roots' first and the water down the Evangelicals immediately thereafter. And your upper crust Repubs just simply aren't comfortable with 'too many' yellows, browns and blacks hanging about.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
What we need in the GOP is leadership who can relate our values to hard working Americans.

We'll have a colony on Jupiter first. The Americans who work the hardest (and I'm not talking about a young Wall Street broker slaving over a computer..) but the americans who hold down 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet... the Republicans have no use for these people in any way except for their votes--which they won't fight too hard to get, yet in many cases are the easiest to get (if white) by sending the old code of 'we're here for the whites'..Gingrich & Lott are good for those types of wink & nod coded messages. And those hard working whites fall for it hook line and sinker and get nothing in return.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
We need leaders who can espouse our vision of Strong corporations and how a strong profitable top end helps all the citizens.

Newsflash! Corporations have gone global, they no longer care or see 'American' (or any other type of borders) and loyalties. Why people continue to maintain loyalties and strong support for them is beyond me...

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):



Hopefully, you read Sv7887's post... those black guys you see talking 'the system'...it is exactly what Sv7887's talking about that they are relating to...and it is not an anomally.



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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:23 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 5):

This goes to the root of the question ... Why ? Most of the big cities are run by democrats with democratic platforms yet it is apparent that it is failing ? Why are they so entrenched in the ideas of these failures ?

Where do the biggest portion of black people live, its in the city where they are probably joined by 2/3 of the general urban/suburban population. Look at Manhattan I would say that more than 80% of the people living there are democrats and they are not necessarily black. Even in the cities in say Texas (a very red state) more than half the population living in Dallas are likely democrats.

The US has one of the lower values for urban population (although very high by world standards) but it is lower than all of the EU and even Canada and we have a much larger area for one tenth of the people. This is one of the many reason that the US is more conservative than other developed countries is because there is still a high rural population which is more traditional.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:41 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
One thing I did notice was that they seemed to have a really bad self-hatred complex.

To add some humor in this thing; You mean like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks?

Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):


I still have NO clue as to what you are asking about.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Looking at your profile, you are in Poland. What do you know about our government? You obviously have no clue....

I wasn't going to go there, but thanks for saying it for me.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:47 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
We hear that 95% of African Americans are going to vote for Sen Obama ,

Why do you think that is? I am not a racist person but it's because he's is BLACK. I asked plenty of people who they are voting for and 95% of the Black people I asked said "That black guy." But that doesn't really matter because sadly many African Americans don't participate in our elections.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 5):
it is a historic event and should be a positive step forward for us ... why then are we still looking across no mans land at each other. ? Should we vote for him just because he is African American ?

That seems to be what he thinks. That seems to be what many people think. We should vote for a candidate that is experienced and ready to lead this country.

Quoting Moo (Reply 8):
Perhaps because the Bush administration had four and a half years to do something about the last administrations 'failings' in that area, and yet were still completely lacking when the shit hit the fan?



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 9):
Mr. Bush certainly does deserve some blame, but not all of it! It was Louisiana's job to make sure they were prepared. It was the Government's job to back them up IF need be.

I agree with your statement SV7887. It is not Bush's job to make sure every levee in the country is perfect. That is the Army Corps job. They did not give president Bush any warning on a poor levee so it isn't completely his fault. And by the way Moo. The government was more prepared than people give them credit. My father works for Landstar Systems and they had nearly half their fleet of 8,000 trucks ready to respond when the storm ended. If you ask me thats preparation.

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 17):
I always see African Americans asking what is the government going to do for me?

How about tax breaks? They get sooo many tax breaks for this and that and they still complain! Then they vote democrat and can't figure out why their taxes went up!
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:48 pm



Quoting BN747 (Reply 25):
And your upper crust Repubs just simply aren't comfortable with 'too many' yellows, browns and blacks hanging about.

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Prop 22 - the anti-gay initiative
It is the party of exclusion, not inclusion.
It's a miracle that they even get a 3rd. of the Latino vote. They only reach out to Latinos on the abortion issue. An issue that restricts women's reporductive rights. The Republican Party plays up that one belief that devout Catholics are against. Nevermind the fact that these Evangelicals hate the Catholics as much as Jews, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, gays, and just about everyone else.
The only time the Republicans reach out to minority groups is to restrict the rights of another minority group. It's the old 'divide & conquer' technique.
Luckily most minorities are smart enough to see through this.

The only poor group the Republicans can rely on is the bigoted Whites in the Deep South not all Whites in the South are bigots BTW
It's amazing how many of them living in their trailers are broke as a joke, yet vote Republican because they think they're better than the Black folks on the other side of the rail road tracks.

Flighty:
There are probably a million reasons. Let's start with what they don't want. African Americans are not super concerned with evangelicism (which is religiously almost 100 pct white). The pro-life movement is also vast majority white. Look at the billboards. Have you ever seen a black baby on a pro-life billboard? Probably not; the reason may be that there _is_ in fact a shortage of adoptable white babies but there is a great plentitude of black babies. The adoption business is very racially segregated and the Christian Right is heavily concerned with this overall reproduction issue, which is basically a cultural war among whites (speaking of the abortion debate).


Interesting comments on the abortion issue. I never looked at the racial component to the abortion issue.
I've just figured that the Conservative Republicans want to outlaw abortion to keep the poor, poor. If the poor are less educated, they are more likely to stay poor. Thus a large labor pool of people that will work for less money. If you have children to support, you are less likely to challenge authority, demostrate, protest and demand basic labor rights and a living wage.
The Conservative Republicans rather people go to Church, pray, have lots of children, (practice abstenance if not married), never question authority and it will all pay off when you go to heaven.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:55 pm



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 28):
I asked plenty of people who they are voting for and 95% of the Black people I asked said "That black guy."

...and you expect anyone here to believe you've actually done this?  Yeah sure

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 28):
How about tax breaks? They get sooo many tax breaks for this and that and they still complain!

Name one.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:57 pm



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 27):
To add some humor in this thing; You mean like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks?

GOOD one...

..it's amazing how many people 'think' the Uncle Ruckus types are a mere joke.. and not real.

They come in every minority flavor..trust me.

Uncle Ruckus or Tom...is the ideal minority for Republicans. The Republicans can never get enough of these guys, it charms them while (unbeknowst to him) and making a bigger fool of the clown being showcased as a 'role model'

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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:01 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
One black applicant had the perfect resume, but made the mistake of including his website with his picture on it..

An example like this, and a multitude of other methods prevent black individuals from succeeding and reaching higher positions. It is certainly all about race, and black individuals have the right (and should be heard) to speak up and explain the disparities. (This was not directed to you Sv7887, I just wanted to quote your example).
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:42 am



Quoting BN747 (Reply 31):
GOOD one...

I know, I know...  Smile He was the first person to pop into my head when Supa's reply..
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:49 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
...and you expect anyone here to believe you've actually done this?  

Well considering I'm the head of the political club for sophomores, juniors, and seniors I would say yes I have asked.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:56 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
...and you expect anyone here to believe you've actually done this?

I am going to agree with Jetblueguy22 on this one and I will tell you why. During the DNC, when Obama spoke, they set up chairs i n Times Square to watch. The news interviewed 5 blacks members of the audience and asked them the usual BS questions. But one thing that stuck out to me was 3 out of the 5 had never voted before (all looked 30 and above) and said they were proud to make Obama their first vote.

If you can honestly tell me that they were voting for him because he was a "great candidate" then I got a bridge to sell you sir.
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:07 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 31):
I know, I know... Smile He was the first person to pop into my head when Supa's reply..

Yes, they were real versions of Uncle Ruckus.


Jetblueguy22 & JFK69:
For every vote in favor of Obama because he's Black, I am sure there are at least 4-5 that will vote against him because he's Black.

Care to answer the tax break question?

If you can honestly tell me that they were voting for him because he was a "great candidate" then I got a bridge to sell you sir.

If it were Clarence Thomas or Kenneth Blackwell running, I doubt they'd vote for them.

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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:11 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
For every vote in favor of Obama because he's Black, I am sure there are at least 4-5 that will vote against him because he's Black.

Sorry to go tit-for-tat-....But can you prove this?

I think it is a fairly bold statement. Why can't it be 1-1...why does the "white" man vote have to out favor the black vote by that number?

I am not saying I disagree with you, but calm down with the general statements.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:15 am



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 35):
I am not saying I disagree with you, but calm down with the general statements.

Hey I am totally calm in all of this. You and your conservative pals are the ones that seem so 'scared' of Obama being elected President.

For the record, I doubt he can win but I'll still support him anyways.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:19 am



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 26):
Why do you think that is? I am not a racist person but it's because he's is BLACK. I asked plenty of people who they are voting for and 95% of the Black people I asked said "That black guy."

As harsh as that might sound, I completely agree. Somebody finally had the balls to say it in this thread.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:19 am



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 37):
Somebody finally had the balls to say it in this thread.

Doesn't take much balls to make those kinds of statements behind a computer.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:30 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
Doesn't take much balls to make those kinds of statements behind a computer.

And if someone says it on TV then they will have Sharpton and the NAN marching there in 5 hours.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
Hey I am totally calm in all of this. You and your conservative pals are the ones that seem so 'scared' of Obama being elected President.

As a NYC resident I am a registered democrat (but will admit that I mostly vote republican). I plan on voting for McCain but in a weird way I hope Obama wins for 2 reasons:

1) Get 4 years of democrats in there to see if they can get us out of the shit that Bush got us into, or just continue with the same road we have been on

2) If Obama gets elected then a Black citizen of the United States has reached the most important role in the world. People like sharpton and Jesse Jackson can go into the oblivion to which they belong because they can't keep the black people down like they have been doing for years.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:33 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
Doesn't take much balls to make those kinds of statements behind a computer.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn307/sullipilot/IMG_1491.jpg
How's that? Now I'm not behind a computer screen I'm on a computer screen.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:41 am



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 39):
People like sharpton and Jesse Jackson can go into the oblivion

They already have.
Notice none of those two were invited to the Democratic convention.

If Obama wins, it would only be symbolic. No Black person expecting anything to change significantly for their own personal lives if he were elected.
It's stupid to even wonder why a minority candidate would get a larger share of votes from people of the same ethnic background. Especially considering the ugly past that many had to endure years ago and subtle racism that still exist as Sv7887 already pointed out.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 39):
1) Get 4 years of democrats in there to see if they can get us out of the shit that Bush got us into, or just continue with the same road we have been on

So with that said, if the Democrats are successful in digging us out of Bush's mess, would you vote to re-elect Obama in 2012?
If you consider Bush a failure, why are you voting for McCain which will be a continuation of Bush?

Once McCain secured the Republican nomination, he started attacking Obama. Why can't McCain put his ideas forward first?
Why isn't Bush & Cheney on the campaign trail with McCain boasting about the success of the Bush Presidency?
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:42 am



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 40):
How's that? Now I'm not behind a computer screen I'm on a computer screen.

Cute.

...and I am not talking about your picture.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:44 am

For one thing, to stop being marginalized. Back during reconstruction is when African Americans left the GOP very quickly because they really did not do anything to help African Americans recover after the great depression. It was the democrats who reached out to them and have walked hand in hand ever since. You hardly see the GOP reach out to African Americans, say come, we love you too lol. I mean in todays Chicago Sun Times some African American GOP's even said "we have to fight to be recognized". With the exception of Secretary of State Rice and Colin Powell, all you will see is white faces on the stage. Democrats at least will mix it up. But thats an issue that goes back a long time. A lot of African Americans view the GOP as a racist old white man's party.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:55 am

I'm 64 and I remember growing up in Houston in the 50s. "White" and "Colored" signs on everything from drinking fountains to bathrooms.

The school systems were "separate, but equal". "Equal" was the code word for black schools getting used textbooks that were no longer good enough for the white schools. Significantly lower funding for various programs, like music and sports.

"Equal" was basically the code word for keeping "them" "in their place". That resulted in less education, fewer opportunities and a different culture that was designed to live within the unwritten laws.

Changing that situation is something that is going to take generations. More generations that have passed so far.

But there are some outstanding examples, such as Colin Powell that demonstrate that we were wrong in our "in their place" mentality. I believe that General Powell was probably the first African American where the American public at large would say, "now that is a man", instead of "now that's a good black man". He indirectly showed us that there were many last opportunities for this country, not just for a group of people that happened to be black. How many outstanding service men and officers did we miss out on because of our racists tendencies? Probably far too many.

Colin Powell was probably a man that the black community was very proud of. Chairman of JCS and Secretary of State. That's one major achievement for any man and the Republican's dumped him as soon as the 04 elections were over. Could it be that he was right on Iraq and all of the neocons were wrong.

As for Houston, I went back to the medical center there two years ago because of a little problem with cancer. The medical center is just down the street from where I used to live and I was more than a little impressed with the wide range of people working there. Every color possible, from doctors on down. The hate signs are down - just one drinking fountain and bathroom - well, there was His & Hers bathrooms.

It's a sign that things are changing, but there are still generations to go. Eventually we'll get there, but there will still be poor black areas in a city, just as there will still be poor white areas - well, maybe integrated poor areas.

As for Obama - I think it would be foolish not to understand that blacks in this country are just as proud of his as they were of Colin Powell. Vote for him? You'd better believe it because they are not just voting for Obama. They are voting for smashing that glass ceiling and for the pride that they have an opportunity to finally make it.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 16):
We have a platform of self reliance and economic growth for everyone not just whites.

And if you believe that . . .

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 26):
How about tax breaks? They get sooo many tax breaks for this and that and they still complain!

And corporations are not looking for tax breaks? Then why is it that McCain wants to cut their taxes to 25% AND give big oil how many billions of dollars in special tax breaks?

As for "tax & spend" Democrats. I remember Ike. He was a Republican and had a Republican Congress. The top tax rate when he left office? 90%. It took JFK to bring in the first tax cut for the top tier, he cut it to 70%. Even Warren Buffet has said it is pretty bad when his secretary's total tax rate is higher than his.

On the spending side I don't think many Democratic presidents can match Bush in spending and building a national debt.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:20 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 42):
Cute.

...and I am not talking about your picture.

Well that certainly hurt my feelings  Sad. Well I'm going to watch the the acceptance speech.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:48 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
Jetblueguy22 & JFK69:
For every vote in favor of Obama because he's Black, I am sure there are at least 4-5 that will vote against him because he's Black.

I agree and that is something no one wants to talk about or can't because the polls say otherwise to what people really think.

However this is slowly being filtered out with multi-cultialism and younger people in the world are becoming more and more racially accepting than the generations that have passed because whites are growing up with blacks, asians, arabs, indians, latinos etc. I personally cannot conceive basing a judgement on someone whose skin colour differs from mine. I will never understand it. However stereotypes can be used to make the race thing a big laugh for everyone like a comedian like Russell Peters does, you just have to have thick skin and a sense of humour to appreciate it.
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:43 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Your question makes no sense what so ever. You speak as of all African Americans think the same way and expect some sort of government hand out of some sort.

Does anyone remember how Earl Butz lost his job as Sec. Ag. when asked this same question?


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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:11 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Especially considering the ugly past that many had to endure years ago and subtle racism that still exist as Sv7887 already pointed out.

See Black Americans are in this catch-22...If they cry racism, they are labeled as complainers, if they don't cry racism and just get sick of trying they're labeled as lazy welfare lovers.

They can't win...Yes, I think Bill Cosby has made some legitimate points, but if people think racism was magically solved in the 1960s, they must be crazy.

There is silent racism against the Black community. People are happy to give a Black person a $10 hr job but not so willing to give you the 100K jobs. Sure affirmative action gets you a few token Black folks in, but not mainstream by any means.

That's the problem. The members of the Black community who actually bust their ass and work to be something face this dilemma. It makes me sick honestly.

One more story...I live in a so called liberal Boston suburb who prides themselves on being open minded and accepting...This is about 9 years ago at my Awards night in my High school

So this is a very well to do "white" community. They handed all the academic awards to mostly white kids and a token Asian kids.

So there is this pause, and they really get dramatic about this "special" $500 scholarship given to disadvantaged minority students (read Black)

After going on for hours and hours about the high academic achievers they made a big deal about how it was a C+ average required for this wonderful scholarship and how hard these students (said in the most patronizing way, it made my father and I sick)...So they announce the name and low and behold it was one of the few black students in our school. The applause was hollow, like they were doing this kid some favor.

The irony of all of this is that this same student got into Brown. He was a very smart guy and didn't need their damn charity.
 
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RE: What Do African Americans Want?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:23 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 48):
See Black Americans are in this catch-22...If they cry racism, they are labeled as complainers, if they don't cry racism and just get sick of trying they're labeled as lazy welfare lovers.

Glad you understand this.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 48):
They can't win...Yes, I think Bill Cosby has made some legitimate points, but if people think racism was magically solved in the 1960s, they must be crazy.

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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 48):
There is silent racism against the Black community. People are happy to give a Black person a $10 hr job but not so willing to give you the 100K jobs. Sure affirmative action gets you a few token Black folks in, but not mainstream by any means.

Very true.
Although it's not so silent here on the Internet.
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