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Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:50 am

just like she claims Obama has.

Congrats on a good speech (although we still don't know what makes you so great up in Alaska). But since YOU'VE taken your gloves off, get ready for the reprisals.

You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:56 am



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!

Wasn't that the whole point? She gave a GREAT speech tonight! Running a town and a state is very similar to running a business...managing resources within a budget (or surplus, in the case of Gov. Palin) and standing up to those who are not acting in the best of interest of the common good.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:59 am

I've only seen the pictures of her speech.
I must say it was a great speech, even though I didn't hear it.  Wink
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:00 am

She said some good things, but also still a ton of fear mongering.
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:02 am



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
You just threw gasoline on a fire. This race is about to explode!

The left-wingers have had a avgas pump on her for 3 days now.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I've only seen the pictures of her speech.
I must say it was a great speech, even though I didn't hear it.

Your loss. It was an excellent speech.
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:02 am



Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
.managing resources within a budget (or surplus, in the case of Gov. Palin)

As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

When she decries energy independence, what she means is energy dependent on Alaska. So she can cut another check to Alaskans.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:06 am



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 3):
She said some good things, but also still a ton of fear mongering.

Nothing that the DNC wasn't full of, however both sides really need to talk issues not this partisan BS. I cringed at the Romney speech...

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

It essentially is given the composition of their economy. Still it's not a free license to waste money and she seems to get that.

I liked her comment "I got rid of the luxury jet.....I sold it on Ebay" LOL

As you said, she can deliver a good speech. We'll see about the rest in due time.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:06 am

PPVRA,

Fear mongering is a serious problem. Get people scared enough and they'll do anything -- how do you think after 9/11 people have more or less allowed so many of our rights to be taken away from us?


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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:06 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 1):
Running a town and a state is very similar to running a business

If that's the case then is it safe to assume she's going to run the US into the ground just like she did for her ''undeclared'' carwash business?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...9/02/palin_scrubbing_car_wash.html

[Edited 2008-09-03 21:07:46]
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:08 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 7):
Nothing that the DNC wasn't full of

Did you hear Algores rant last week. It was all "If I had won in 2000" BS. The only thing he didn't bring up was Man-Bear-Pig
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:08 am

She brought down the house! When CNN political correspondents say that she beat Joe Biden, you know there is a problem. The gloves are off!
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:10 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 8):
PPVRA,

Fear mongering is a serious problem. Get people scared enough and they'll do anything -- how do you think after 9/11 people have more or less allowed so many of our rights to be taken away from us?

If you think Fear Mongering is a predominately a Right Wing association cue the green nutjobs and the left who portray anyone with money as Evil and corporations as the demon incarnate of America...

It's not good politics, but it's a widely used tactic.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:22 am

To anyone who didnt see the speech ( CNN has a transcript)

It can be summarized as Palin saying: "Bring it on Mother F$&%#ers!"
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:41 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

No, that's not where their surplus came from. Alaska, and Gov. Palin, actually passed a windfall tax on the oil companies doing business there (unlike the hot air from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid) and along with fiscally responsible budget cuts, such as selling the jet on eBay among others, created the surplus, which went back to the taxpayers. AS IT SHOULD BE.

Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 6):
If that's the case then is it safe to assume she's going to run the US into the ground just like she did for her ''undeclared'' carwash business?

Here in the U.S., the Congress writes spending bills, which are then signed or vetoed by the President. Last time I heard, the Congress, led by your Democratic heroes Pelosi and Reid, aren't even close to getting a funding bill for the next budget year done. They're a long way from getting it to the President for signature, hoping that Obama will rubber-stamp it in January. Congress has what, a 9% approval rating? And the Democrats have had power for 2 years now....talk about "Nothing Accomplished"...
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:42 am

Obama rises to 50% in Gallup poll, McCain down to 42%: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:47 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 14):
Obama rises to 50% in Gallup poll, McCain down to 42%: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2....aspx

Registered voters or likely voters? Your result was from 9/2. Today, it's 49-43 in Obama's favor. And that will likely come back down after Palin and McCain speak tonight/tomorrow.

Here's a link to RealClearPolitics, which shows them all over the map...in one, Obama is up only 1 point, in another, he's up 9. Didn't the polls show Kerry winning big in 2004? Right.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[Edited 2008-09-03 21:50:47]
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:55 am

full transcript
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.transcript/index.html

almost makes Hilary look like a whimp... (and I like Hilary)

Favorite quotes:

Quote:

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.



Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.



And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion; I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.




While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.



we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.



In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.



And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.

There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death

My favorite:

Quote:

I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?


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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:55 am



Quoting N174UA (Reply 13):
And the Democrats have had power for 2 years now....talk about "Nothing Accomplished"...

Your right, unlike your ''hero''... Big grin  thumbsdown 

 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:01 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
When she decries energy independence, what she means is energy dependent on Alaska. So she can cut another check to Alaskans.

I'd rather see my hard-earned dollars lining Alaskan's pockets than the pockets of hostile countries.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
It can be summarized as Palin saying: "Bring it on Mother F$&%#ers!"

Yep. I was a little tepid about her capabilities for the last few days. Not anymore. I'm going to sit back and really enjoy watching the forthcoming debates (assuming Barack Hussein Obama's team isn't too chicken to agree to debates).

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 9):
When CNN political correspondents say that she beat Joe Biden, you know there is a problem. The gloves are off!

Most of the cable news channel pundits were catatonic in their reactions. Without exception they all said it was a great political speech...then they fell over themselves grasping at straws trying to poke holes in her statements or how badly it will be received by the average American. (Of course, they have no clue because they are all far from being average or in touch with the typical American.) That idiot moron, Olberman, on MSNBC actually said something to the affect of, "I wonder if her comments are appropriate for outside of this convention." My jaw about hit the floor. Talk about being in the tank for Barack Hussein Obama! Where was this moron's comments about appropriateness when some of the speakers made crass remarks in Denver last week?
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:10 am



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

And the many more federal tax dollars flowing into Alaska than out of it.

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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:12 am



Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 16):
Your right, unlike your ''hero''...

Our mission was accomplished in Iraq within DAYS....and furthe solified when another Hussein was captured and executed. John McCain was one of few (actually, the only) one who argued for the SURGE...we have now handed over control of Anbar province (the most violent) and the rest of Iraq is in far better shape now than it was 2 years ago.

Harry Reid gave up on America long ago...said the war was lost....gee...I sure don't hear him repeating those words today...do you?
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:17 am

Palin has an hour long interview on CNBC the day before her nomination, too. Not just a speech, but a sit down before she could reveal she was chosen. She came across as smart, funny, genuine and informed about various issues. It was a coup for CNBC, as they did not know about the nomination, and had gone up to Alaska to talk about energy policy. As soon as the nomination was announced, while everyone else was scrambling to find dirt about her to destroy her, CNBC had a real interview in the can to show…

Quoting N174UA (Reply 15):
Here's a link to RealClearPolitics, which shows them all over the map...in one, Obama is up only 1 point, in another, he's up 9. Didn't the polls show Kerry winning big in 2004? Right.

Polls are biased by "adjusting" for those who identify themselves as one party or another. In general, more people identify themselves as Democrat, even though a Democrat hasn't gotten 50% of the vote in a Presidential election for a long time, even when the house and Senate were under Democrat control and gaining, not losing, members.

So if you take a poll and get 33% people claiming to be Democrat, 33% Republican, and 34% Independent/Undecided on party, the numbers get adjusted to make the Democrat responses more important, since the pollsters "know" that there are more Democrats, even if they don't identify themselves. They might weight the declared democrat responses at 40%, for example the declared Republicans at 33% or less, same for Independents. In this case, a Democrat vote for Obama would be counted as 1.25 votes, and the Republican for McCain would only count 0.9.

This tends to skew polls in the months leading to elections and make for wild variations, and then the race "tightens" as it gets to the election, because the pollsters have to start assuming that there aren't the same underrepresentations and overrepresentations, as close to the election, people are more likely to have made a choice, and if you say you aren't a democrat, by god, you may just be telling the truth!

Further, likely voters and registered voters are another trick. For whatever reason, the Democrat usually has higher numbers in the RV poll than the LV poll. It may be due to the various motor voter and community registration drives, where people who aren't likely to vote are registered anyway. These groups are generally less well off and registration drives are held in minority neighborhoods, two groups more likely to register as Democrat, but who have no interest in voting.

And then of course there are polls that ask race and gender, and adjust the value of your response based on historical breakdown and census data. In all of this, white males who don't claim to be part of a party get devalued. But on election day, their vote still counts as 1.

It's a dirty secret of polling, but it's how it works. And it explains why the Democrats always seem to have a larger lead in the summer than they do in the fall. It also explains the variability from poll to poll, depending on which trick(s) the pollster applies. The LA Times is notorious for skewing polls in Democrat favor using these "accepted" tricks. Doesn't change the election though (didn't keep Grey Davis in office, despite their numbers…)

Yet if pollsters used a different criteria for skewing the presidential polls, like "a Democrat hasn't gotten 50% of the votes since Carter in 1976, so we should skew the numbers down" the polls would read differently, and then in the fall, it would be the Democrat candidate who magically "catches up" in the final two weeks.

And yet if they didn't ask party at all, or gender or race, etc., it would still skew the polls as they don't know if they are getting a representative sample.

So it's why you have to take these polls with a grain of salt, but understand that the Republican always seems to catch up in the end.
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:22 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
As long as you realize that the surplus of which you speak comes from your paying $4 a gallon at the pump.

And the many more federal tax dollars flowing into Alaska than out of it.

-Mir

Given the massive natural resources there, I'd say it's better than asking Hugo or Putin for oil or natural gas. I'd rather have my dollars going to Americans than Hugo, Putin, or the House of Saud..
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:24 am

Pretty good speech...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I've only seen the pictures of her speech.
I must say it was a great speech, even though I didn't hear it.

'fly - are you saying that you'd tag team mom and daughter, or you already have?? Wink
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:37 am

What I saw tonight was disgusting.

I watched two speeches that were nothing but empty rhetoric, lies, and mean-spirited personal attacks. Rudy Giuliani, hiding behind 9/11, the former mayor of New York mocking Chicago for being "cosmopolitan". Sarah Palin lying about saying no to the Bridge To Nowhere. Lying about having shrank the budget in Alaska. Notice how she said McCain was "interrogated" and not "tortured"? Both of them, and the entire audience laughing about as though being a "community organizer" was punch line to a joke. Barack Obama was helping communities and people in need when Sarah Palin was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participating in beauty pageants.

If Republicans want to turn their political theater into a childish version of professional wrestling, that's their business. But America deserves much better than the pandering, sneering, empty, mean-spirited display that went on tonight.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:41 am



Quoting N174UA (Reply 13):
....talk about "Nothing Accomplished"...

That is my point exactly...When the Democrats took over the congress I was like well the Republicans deserved to lose it because they did a pretty poor job of things. Well the Democrats have done a piss poor job since they have got in..I can bet their power will be short lived. Pelosi is a raving idiot. This is why I hate both parties with a passion.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:42 am



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
Barack Obama was helping communities and people in need when Sarah Palin was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participating in beauty pageants.

Of course, the other way to look at it is that Barack Hussein Obama was doing hard drugs while she was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participating in beauty pageants.

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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:46 am



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
Barack Obama was helping communities and people in need when Sarah Palin was reading the 10 o'clock sports and participating in beauty pageants.

Keep drinking the kool aid dude.......They both have kudos and issues to deal with. Problem is one is running for President and one for Vice President.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:47 am



Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
Our mission was accomplished in Iraq within DAYS

What mission? Locating the WMDs? Oh darn that's right there wasn't any.... Providing the Iraqis freedom and democracy, no, not really.

The war was started 5 years ago and if anything it's far from being accomplished. So far it's has cost the US the lives of 4152 of it's sons and daughters. Over 300 deaths from the rest of the ''coalition of the willing''. 100's of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians and the biggest debt the US will ever have to absorb since WWII.

But at least you got saddam...
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:50 am



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
But America deserves much better than the pandering, sneering, empty, mean-spirited display that went on tonight.

And that is why America will vote McCain/Palin.

They will clean up the political system in the US.
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:52 am



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 25):
the Republicans deserved to lose it because they did a pretty poor job of things.

Couldn't agree more...it was the best thing that could have happened to them, and it's a blessing in disguise. They can burn out the underbrush and start anew. Because the time will come when the public gets tired of Reid and Pelosi getting nothing done, and if they've been smart...a resurgent GOP will be there to take back both Houses.

Like with Katrina, I can only hope this "new GOP" will learn from the mistakes that were made when they were in power, along with W. All the talk of a ban on gay marriage, etc. etc. never materialized.

America likes divided government...and I think that's what we're going to see on January 20th: McCain/Palin in the White House and Reid and Pelosi with more of their own in Congress.
 
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:04 am

One thing: Palin makes the VP debate which I never watch, now a must watch. I just want to see her and Biden.

This is about to turn into Palin vs Obama moreso than Biden vs Palin. Just think if my girl Hills was the dem VP and we would have Clinton vs Palin. Cat fight!!!!
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:04 am



Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 23):
'fly - are you saying that you'd tag team mom and daughter, or you already have??

This is one of those rare cases where the mom looks better than the daughter. However, Bristol did look nice at the convention.
I am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping Bristol's baby isn't half-Black.
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:06 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 26):
Barack Hussein Obama


Out of curiosity, did you get to choose your middle name at birth?

Just curious.

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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:33 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 22):
Given the massive natural resources there, I'd say it's better than asking Hugo or Putin for oil or natural gas. I'd rather have my dollars going to Americans than Hugo, Putin, or the House of Saud..

..., but that just isn't the choice. Even using the most optimistic projections, Alaska only as enough oil to to reduce our import needs by a very small fraction (+/- 4%). Additionally, at that rate, the reserve would be used up in twenty years give or take.

Perhaps we should recover that oil. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position, but lets at least be honest about where that gets us in the big picture; instead of importing 66% of our oil, we will be importing 62% of our oil.

A big chunk of your petro dollars will still end up in the pockets of "Hugo, Putin, or the House of Saud" as you put it. (BTW Canada is our #1 import source).

It simply isn't a solution to the problem of solving our long-term energy needs.
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:34 am



Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
the rest of Iraq is in far better shape now than it was 2 years ago.

How about when it was a soverign nation under Saddam?

Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
John McCain was one of few (actually, the only) one who argued for the SURGE

And for war and funding (borrowing from Saudi Arabia and China) but against any GI bill while wearing a flag pin. Support the troops? I think not.


Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
Harry Reid gave up on America long ago...said the war was lost

Which is it? Gave up on America or against the war? Since when did it become un-American to be against war?

Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
What I saw tonight was disgusting

I thought so, too. I could only sit through five minutes of Guliani's speech before I got sick. I could only stomach a few lines of Palin's speech. All I have heard from the Repblicans is: "Don't vote for the darkie/terrorist/liberal because...."

I have heard reasons from Obama/Biden as to why to vote for them and I have heard reasons from McCain/Palin why not to vote for Obama/Biden.

Somebody please give me a sedative and wake me on election day.....
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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:59 am



Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
Notice how she said McCain was "interrogated" and not "tortured"?

You know, the purpose of torture is to make someone answer a certain question using "force", but in the end it is an interrogation....just because she didn't say tortured like it has been said a million times before it really doesn't make it a lie....you know i think this is one of the major problems democrats have....they are just so desperate they pick up things like this and make a big deal out of it

Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
If Republicans want to turn their political theater

The whole DNC was a theater, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, etc......All of them nothing but big celebreties craving for attention. I would like to just once, just only once, hear in the middle of all those Barack Obama sensationalist speechs that are consisted of "I am going to do this and that and that" just to hear an actual explanation of how he is planing on doing all this....and i would also like to see him once being asked a tough question and not getting all cranked up and twisting his words and going around the issue in circles

Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 24):
But America deserves much better than the pandering, sneering, empty, mean-spirited display

Then why on earth could any one want a sensationalist and majorly dishonest man to be the head of the world's most powerful nation...I only hope that this whole Barack Obama for president ends up in nothing but a fairy tail.


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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:07 am



Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 34):
Perhaps we should recover that oil. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position, but lets at least be honest about where that gets us in the big picture; instead of importing 66% of our oil, we will be importing 62% of our oil.



Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 34):
It simply isn't a solution to the problem of solving our long-term energy needs.

Do any of you people ever listen to McCain's position on this issue. I swear you have selective hearing. You hear drill and tune everything else out.

Drilling isn't the solution but it is a PART. Republicans are not against research and implementation of fuel alternatives. We are not against increased efficiency which will maximize the output we get from our resources. No tool in our arsenal should be neglected.
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Did you hear Algores rant last week. It was all "If I had won in 2000" BS

Al Gore is forever an idiot, including his fear-mongering about global warming. When I hear "fear mongering" I think of that. Incredible that a large chunk of the population thinks this man is actually pretty smart.... rofl

This chic is a natural, the female Bill Clinton at the podium.

The Republicans still have some questions to answer if they want to win more votes though. International policy is much more than the Middle East, how about closer to home, will the US keep ignoring the neighborhood and its growing band of anti-US populist dictators? Of course looking at the audience I'm not sure they would understand any of it.

Glad she mentioned energy. Not drilling is not only selfish but its simply idiotic to not do so. Only in America there would be a debate about this!
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:55 am

I just have one question: have the Republicans always used country music to close these type of events? John Rich's music (whoever he is) had a happy vibe and was great to dance to (although the lyrics ware down right annoying)

Having said that, I now clearly understand why republicans have so much trouble with the black vote, lol
 
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Quoting Flynavy (Reply 33):
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 26):
Barack Hussein Obama


Out of curiosity, did you get to choose your middle name at birth?

Just curious.

Nope.

However, if my middle name were "Hitler" I'm pretty sure I'd have changed it by now, too...
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:19 am

She seems a very nice person. Someone I'd like to take to High Tea.

It's just a shame she's Republican.
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Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 41):
Someone I'd like to take to High Tea.

Do they serve high tea in your area?

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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
the rest of Iraq is in far better shape now than it was 2 years ago.

How about when it was a soverign nation under Saddam?

And Iraq is less sovereign now and worse off? You really don't believe that do you...

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What strikes me is that Miss Palin has never even visited Alaskas' big neighbour - Russia - in all the time she spent there..
In Europe it is common practice for new elected political leaders to visit the close neighbouring states to get acquainted and get a feeling for the local political crowd.But maybe it's because she is not really interested in foreign politics - and getting a passport only in 2007 is really som form of indication you couldn't care less about the rest of the globe....
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
To anyone who didnt see the speech ( CNN has a transcript)

It can be summarized as Palin saying: "Bring it on Mother F$&%#ers!"

Palin certainly brings a lot of energy and appeal to the ticket, but in seeing her speak, I really wondered if she'd be a good VP. Would other world leaders would take her seriously? I mean, Cheney's in Azerbaijan and Georgia this week. Can we really see Palin going to such places? I could see her talking to Putin about the joys of hunting moose, but I wonder if he'd take her opinions on Georgia seriously?

I'm sure some would levy the same critcism of Obama, but I think he will be taken seriously by world leaders, as will Biden. Palin comes across to me as a rah-rah cheerleader who brings energy but not much more to the Republican ticket.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):
we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

She just doesn't get it. If every ounce of energy in Alaska was made available tomorrow, our energy situation wouldn't change. We need to move away from oil and gas!

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 34):
but that just isn't the choice. Even using the most optimistic projections, Alaska only as enough oil to to reduce our import needs by a very small fraction (+/- 4%). Additionally, at that rate, the reserve would be used up in twenty years give or take.

Perhaps we should recover that oil. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position, but lets at least be honest about where that gets us in the big picture; instead of importing 66% of our oil, we will be importing 62% of our oil.

A big chunk of your petro dollars will still end up in the pockets of "Hugo, Putin, or the House of Saud" as you put it. (BTW Canada is our #1 import source).

It simply isn't a solution to the problem of solving our long-term energy needs.

Indeed. It seems if every drop of energy in Alaska was made available tomorrow, it'd meet 100% of our needs for just one year, and then it'd be done/over/finis/caput. In the great scheme of things, it is irrelevant.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 37):
Do any of you people ever listen to McCain's position on this issue. I swear you have selective hearing. You hear drill and tune everything else out.

Drilling isn't the solution but it is a PART. Republicans are not against research and implementation of fuel alternatives. We are not against increased efficiency which will maximize the output we get from our resources. No tool in our arsenal should be neglected.

Maybe Palin should have had this in her speech then?

Seems she just went with the 'throw out the red meat' approach in her speech.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 44):
What strikes me is that Miss Palin has never even visited Alaskas' big neighbour - Russia - in all the time she spent there..
In Europe it is common practice for new elected political leaders to visit the close neighbouring states to get acquainted and get a feeling for the local political crowd.But maybe it's because she is not really interested in foreign politics - and getting a passport only in 2007 is really som form of indication you couldn't care less about the rest of the globe....

To a very, very large extent, most Americans don't give a damn about the rest of the globe. They have next to no perception about how dependent we are on the rest of the world for energy, industry and trade. I say this as a person born and raised in the US, and who has lived here my entire life.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:00 pm

Very good speech, excellent delivery. I think this woman has brass balls and will stand up quite well to that phoney gas-bag Biden.

Suggest she back off the smart-aleck attacks. But for me, she sealed the deal.
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
the rest of Iraq is in far better shape now than it was 2 years ago.

How about when it was a soverign nation under Saddam?

So was Nazi Germany, I guess we should have called Hitler and asked him nicely not to kill all those Jewish people.....

You seemingly forget the innocent Kurds he gassed, the Kuwaitis he butchered, and the tens of thousands of people he killed.

And did I forget his little retirement plan for suicide bombers in Israel?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
Quoting N174UA (Reply 20):
John McCain was one of few (actually, the only) one who argued for the SURGE

And for war and funding (borrowing from Saudi Arabia and China) but against any GI bill while wearing a flag pin. Support the troops? I think not.

So we're supposed to just ditch the Iraqi people when WE screwed up? Riiiiightttt...It's about sticking to your word. We promised the Iraqi people we'd help them, and we owe it to them to fix what we broke.

He vetoed A flawed GI bill that would have rewarded SHORTER enlistements and a plain insult to those who've served longer.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/22/gi_bill/

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Quoting Revelation (Reply 45):
She just doesn't get it. If every ounce of energy in Alaska was made available tomorrow, our energy situation wouldn't change. We need to move away from oil and gas!

She does, and she said it... here is the full quoto assocated with that one:

Quote:

we need to produce more of our own oil and gas. And...

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: We've got lots of both.

Our opponents say again and again that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems, as if we didn't know that already.

But the fact that drilling, though, won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines, and build more nuclear plants, and create jobs with clean coal, and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need...


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RE: Palin Now Has A Speech

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:29 pm

Enjoy your morning dose of reality, friends. And remember, the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. That's another heavily borrow page from the Republican play book.

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

That's the short list of lies from Palin's speech. Here's the long version:

Palin vs. Reality

Please feel free to blame "the liberal media" or say that liberals are scared of Palin. You'll be doing that a lot for the next few months.

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