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MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:57 pm

This is ridiculous, 600 people for a game?...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=280903128

There are places that no matter how far back the team is , how poorly they are playing, how bad the weather is will come out and support a Major League Baseball franchise. South Florida is obviously not the place. The Rays are doing great, and while they are not setting any records for attendance either they are better than the Marlins. Also I've seen the designs for the new semi-outdoor field the Rays are trying to get built and it looks beautiful.

I went to a Nationals game last month, it was at home in their brand new (first season in operation) stadium right in Washington DC. The whole area was undergoing redevelopment and it looked amazing, it's really going to be an awesome part of town to live, hang out, see a game etc.. It's a huge change for them from where they came from, Olympic Stadium in Montreal which I also got to visit. It's a shame they could no longer make it work in Montreal, however they have found a very strong fan base in Washington DC/ Northern Virginia.

The Marlins need to make a similar move, someplace where a baseball franchise would be valued more. Here's some places I feel would better support the Marlins franchise;

1.) Northern New Jersey: I would build a baseball stadium at the Meadowlands, plenty of room, a brand new NJ Transit rail line being built right from the sports complex to connect with Mid-Town Manhattan and Hoboken. New York historically had three teams, two National League (Dodgers, Giants) and one American League (Yankees). The New Jersey/ New York area can easily support three teams better than most places can support one.

2.) Memphis: Yes I know why Memphis, because it's historically had a strong baseball tradition in that part of the Country including Arkansas and Northern Mississippi.

3.) North Carolina (Preferably Raleigh/ Durham or Charlotte), again strong baseball tradition and distant from any other franchises.

4.) Orlando/ Lake Buena Vista: Incorporate it into the House of Mouse, or Universal.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:01 pm

What about North Dakota? or South Dakota?
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:07 pm



Quoting September11 (Reply 1):
What about North Dakota? or South Dakota?

At this point I think Honolulu would be better.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:26 pm



Quoting September11 (Reply 1):
What about North Dakota? or South Dakota?

Is that a serious comment?

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):

At this point I think Honolulu would be better.

It would be cool to see a pro team in Hawaii...very doubtful though....especially with travel complications in this case.

Heres a short list of possible sites I would consider....
-San Juan, PR
-Charlotte
-Portland
-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:30 pm

They just need a new stadium... and they are getting it.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:32 pm



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
San Juan, PR

If you can get past the long travel times, I think this would be a great place for an MLB team.

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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:33 pm



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):

This is ridiculous, 600 people for a game?...

That really sucks.But drives the message home to get the hell out Maimi.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
San Juan, PR

Excellent suggestion.

Another,IMHO, is Indy.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:37 pm



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
The Marlins need to make a similar move, someplace where a baseball franchise would be valued more. Here's some places I feel would better support the Marlins franchise;

Yea its called Little Havana.

I do find it pathetic that fans dont show up to the games. When I am in town I go to games not as much as maybe I should go etc but I go. After the Miami Heat the Marlins have to be my favourite sports team. But with the expection of the Dolphins and they even had some small crowds at least for Dolphin expectations last year, any team in Miami which does bad poorly will have bad attendance. 11,211 tickets where sold though people just did not show to this game because of the heat and it was in the middle of the workday. It is hot in Miami and its a weekday, weekday games in September should not be played in Miami thats for sure. The stadium is out in the suburbs away from any business area and there is no good mass transit to the stadium. School started so no kids can go who would go to this game? Yes I know the Cubs and Yankees and Red Sox would sell out this type of game but you have to look at the history of those teams and also locations of their stadiums. The Marlins need there new stadium in the Little Havana area near Downtown Miami. I wish they would put the stadium right on the bay in Downtown but they chosen the Orange Bowl site. They also Need a retractable dome. More people would show up for games if they knew they did not have to deal with heat index's in the 100's or the daily summer tropical downpours. Also dont forget there are alot of things to do in Miami every day. Unlike Kansas City or Pittsburgh.


I dont think the MLB wants the Marlins to leave a market like Miami. Its a international diverse world city. What the MLB needs is the Marlins to get a new stadium which is now under a judges decisions whether the people of Miami need to vote on the project or not because some big business man here in Miami who has nothing else to do with his time decided to sue the city. Hopefully this project which also includes two other very important city projects will just be passed by the judge and the city and Marlins can get started in building this stadium so the Marlins will be here to stay. If the Stadium does not go through I dont see the team staying here much longer. Where they would go is a huge question mark. I would say Memphis or North Carolina. But as long as the Marlins get the stadium the team will be in South Florida for many years to come.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:43 pm

There has always been a quiet speculation of a 2nd team for Boston... possibly a stadium build in the Foxboro complex where the Patriots play. NYC and CHI have two teams, Boston could conceivably use an NL team.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
Heres a short list of possible sites I would consider....
-San Juan, PR
-Charlotte
-Portland
-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it

What about San Antonio? When the Marlins a few years back started courting other cities, San Antonio really was laying on the charm. Salt Lake City was also mentioned several years back as well. Or heck, move them to Montreal (Hey current owner Jeff Loria is the former owner of the Expos.)  duck 

With the Marlins (along with the City of Miami and the Miami-Dade County gov't) being embroiled in a lawsuit by a local political gadfly over the public funding of the new Marlins ballpark as well as some other projects (This guy pretty much wants the Marlins to pay to build their own stadium instead of partially funding one with the taxpayers paying the bulk of the bill.), there's still a chance that they could be leaving South Florida after their lease is up at Dolphin Stadium (Their lease it up after the 2010 season, and from the way it sounds, the Dolphins don't sound too willing to extend that lease, especially if this gadfly is successful in his lawsuit.

If they move, it would be pretty easy to shift the division in which they play in. If they move to Charlotte or San Juan, no need to move divisions. Move to San Antonio, swap divisions with the Pirates. Move to SLC, Las Vegas (Considering MLB's stance on gambling, you've got some very long odds.), or Portland, move Pittsburgh to the NL East, Colorado to the NL Central, and put the Marlins in the NL West. Or something even more radical, put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there.
 
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:00 pm

The Marlins are going to get a new stadium in Downtown Miami that makes a lot more sense than sticking around a football stadium. That should really help drive attendance.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):

-Las Vegas...ripe for a pro franchise, but i don't think MLB is it

Vegas is not ripe for a franchise at all. Most of the population there is 1) transient or 2) transplanted and thus cheer for other teams.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-San Juan, PR
-Charlotte
-Portland

Portland is a little small. I like San Juan, though I think Mexico City would be an even better idea. Also, at some point, there has to be some talk about a team in the Dominican.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:10 pm



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):

What about San Antonio?

Texas already has two teams that aren't all that good and it is really a football state.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Salt Lake City was also mentioned several years back as well.

SLC doesn't make sense for an MLB city. A touch small, already a bunch of MiLB teams in the area, and I don't think MLB wants another Colorado from a hitter's standpoint.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
(Hey current owner Jeff Loria is the former owner of the Expos.)

AFAIK, he ran them into the ground.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Or something even more radical, put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there

Actually, there has been a lot of talk about moving the Diamondbacks to the AL West. It would put both West divisions in line with the others and provide a more competitive team for the Angels. It would also create a more natural regional rival for the Padres in interleague play.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:21 pm



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They just need a new stadium... and they are getting it.

At the expense of the historic Orange Bowl. I am still pissed off at this. An American icon destroyed  Sad

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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:41 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
At this point I think Honolulu would be better.

 checkmark  I would support that but the travel times would kill their budget alone...

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-San Juan, PR

 no  Hurricane haven. Not feasible.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-Portland

The fan base in PDX is really strong for the Seattle Mariners regardless of how they are doing. So, no hope there... but then again, you never know....

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Vegas is not ripe for a franchise at all.

 checkmark  The NBA tried this with an All-Star game. It went great, IIRC, but the vibe was not really there. Most of the attendees were from out-of-state from what I have heard, so it failed.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:40 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Hurricane haven. Not feasible

And Miami does not have hurricanes? I dont see it working because first they would need to build a new stadium and the TV market would not very very profitable.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:47 am



Quoting Flymia (Reply 14):
I dont see it working because first they would need to build a new stadium and the TV market would not very very profitable.

I think nearly 4 million people in Puerto Rico is enough for the TV market.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:55 am



Quoting Flymia (Reply 14):

And Miami does not have hurricanes?

I didn't say that. I said was PR is hurricane haven. Think about it. They get more hurricanes than Miami does, normally PR gets hit first.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:08 am



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
This guy pretty much wants the Marlins to pay to build their own stadium instead of partially funding one with the taxpayers paying the bulk of the bill

You say that like it's a bad thing! We're in the middle of spending more than $1 billion in taxpayer money to build the Mets and Yankees new stadiums. Spending that kind of public money so that a group of multi-millionaires can make more money is worst kind of goverment "entitlement" program around. But that's an argument for a different thread.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
put them in the AL West and as a result, both leagues will have 15 teams and to balance the NL East, move Pittsburgh there

You can't have an odd number of teams in a league, it won't work. Either you have to have an interleague match up every day, or one team in each league doesn't play every day, which would kill weekend scheduling.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:15 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
The fan base in PDX is really strong for the Seattle Mariners regardless of how they are doing. So, no hope there... but then again, you never know....

That's actually a factor that favors PDX. The strong following MLB gets in Portland is a reason to put the city on the list. The fact that PDX has the highest ratings for televised MLB of any non-MLB city also plays in its favor.

I can think of two reasons why it won't happen though. First is corporate support. There are plenty of people to put butts in the seats, but there aren't enough large corporate headquarters to sell enough luxury boxes or get the kind of sponsorship necessary. Nike and Adidas can only put up so much money. The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland. Portlanders make up a decent portion of the fan base at Safeco, and I don't think the Mariners are going to want to lose those ticket sales.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:21 am



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):

Put a team in PDX, the franchise in SEA would plummet. And ticket prices would go even higher like some teams in the NL. Thankfully, the Mariners ticket prices is currently among the cheapest in the league.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland.

 checkmark  That is why.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:25 am

Bring them to MCO. Theres plenty of opportunities.

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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:42 am

If the Marlins were to move (highly doubtful given the status of the new stadium), I think they would be best going off the board a little bit, and try a new, untapped market. MLB has a glaring hole in the South between Houston and Atlanta. Perhaps BHM might be the right untapped market that baseball needs. I realize BHM is small, may not have the almighty corporate dollars that teams want these days, but there is a certain benefit to being the only show in town. Look at how well the Spurs do in SAT being the only major sports team. MEM or BNA might also be potential untapped MLB markets.

South Florida just hasn't worked, the team hasn't shown interest in keeping fans (based on the fire sales of both World Series teams the next year), and the fans haven't shown the interest in the team.

I don't know if the new stadium is a done deal or not, but I think it would be best to just find a new city and pretend like this experiment didn't happen.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:53 am



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 21):
MLB has a glaring hole in the South between Houston and Atlanta. Perhaps BHM might be the right untapped market that baseball needs. I realize BHM is small, may not have the almighty corporate dollars that teams want these days, but there is a certain benefit to being the only show in town.

I agree, I think Memphis fills the gap perfectly. Also there's a decent corporate presence in the Memphis area (FedEx, Auto Zone, International paper) that would be good advertisers and perhaps buy some luxury boxes.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:29 am



Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
New York historically had three teams, two National League (Dodgers, Giants) and one American League (Yankees).


I know dick about Baseball but I'm pretty sure the NY Giants play something else !

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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:36 am



Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 23):

I know dick about Baseball but I'm pretty sure the NY Giants play something else !

The New York Giants baseball club moved to San Francisco in the late 50's, along with the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles. Before the move, there were 3 New York teams..the Mets came along later.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:39 am



Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 23):
I know dick about Baseball but I'm pretty sure the NY Giants play something else !

There were two sports franchises in New York called the Giants

Football Giants

Baseball Giants

The Football Giants (they are still refered to that in all the local sports media in homage to a time when the other Giants were still here) all the guys who won the most recent Super Bowl.

The Baseball New York Giants along with the New York Dodgers moved to California in the late 1950s, the New York Giants became the San Francisco Giants. The Brooklyn Dodgers became the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Trivia fact:

After the Dodgers and Giants left a new National League team was created, the New York Metropolitans (Mets). The colors of the Mets are Blue and Orange, in homage to the colors of the two teams that left. Dodger Blue and Giant Orange.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:46 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Texas already has two teams that aren't all that good

I think Astros fans would beg to differ, considering they were in the World Series three years ago and usually give the division title an honest run.

And the Rangers aren't the worst team in the AL despite next to nothing successful in the postseason.
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:47 am

The Houston Astros have a strong fan base, it's a great franchise. The local corporations also support the team, they own much of those luxury boxes and box seats.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:54 am



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 24):
The New York Giants baseball club moved to San Francisco in the late 50's, along with the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles.

Remember that it was the Dodgers' idea to move first.

Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 26):

I think Astros fans would beg to differ, considering they were in the World Series three years ago and usually give the division title an honest run.

They are absolute junk now.

Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 26):

And the Rangers aren't the worst team in the AL despite next to nothing successful in the postseason.

The Rangers have been below .500 in 8 of the last 10 seasons. That is not successful.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 27):
The Houston Astros have a strong fan base, it's a great franchise.

It is one of the most poorly run franchises in baseball.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:08 am



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
-Portland

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Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Portland is a little small

Judging by your route map in your portfolio, you've never been to Portland! The media market is approximately 3m, when you factor in the entire metro area. There has been strong support for baseball in the past, and still is.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
The second is that I believe the Seattle Mariners would be against any proposal to bring Major League Baseball to Portland. Portlanders make up a decent portion of the fan base at Safeco, and I don't think the Mariners are going to want to lose those ticket sales.

Judging by the attendance at Safeco this season, no thanks to the lousy team that plays there, Portlanders aren't as willing to travel 3 hours (especially with high gas prices) to see them play. Seattle can't make the same argument that Peter Angelos of the Orioles tried against the Nationals, in that these two cities are 200 miles apart.

The lack of enough corporate support/sponsorship is the more plausible reason for why MLB hasn't arrived in Portland...yet.
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:16 am



Quoting N174UA (Reply 29):

Judging by your route map in your portfolio, you've never been to Portland!

I have been, but I went by train, not plane.

I think Portland is a great city. Beautiful scenery, vibrant cultural scene and one of the best jobs of urban re-planning in an already established city ever undertaken. That said, Portland is one of those in between markets that you would have a hard time making a pro sports team successful in.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:20 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
They are absolute junk now.

Considering they just swept the Cubs at Wrigley, are 8 games above .500 and still have a slim chance at a wild card spot, calling them "junk" now is just dead wrong.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
The Rangers have been below .500 in 8 of the last 10 seasons. That is not successful.

And how many of those times were they dead last in the division? Once, twice maybe? The KC Royals, pre-2008 Tampa Bay Devil Rays, and Pittsburgh Pirates would love to have the record that the Rangers have.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
It is one of the most poorly run franchises in baseball.

Dead wrong. Drayton McClane does not have the reputation of a cheap owner. Ask Minnesota (Carl Pohlad) and Montreal/Miami (Jeffrey Loria) of what bad ownership is like.
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:22 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):

Remember that it was the Dodgers' idea to move first.

When did I say it wasn't? Anyways, that is completely irrelevant to any point being made.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):

They are absolute junk now.

If 74-66 is complete junk, give us your take on the Dodgers.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Vegas is not ripe for a franchise at all. Most of the population there is 1) transient or 2) transplanted and thus cheer for other teams.

Ever think that they root for other teams since there is no one to root for at home? The population is now there, a tourist draw is there also, and Oscar Goodman is absolutely committed to luring a pro team. You will see an NHL or NBA team in Las Vegas sooner rather than later. There are plans developing for a new arena financed by Harrah's that would be perfect for a franchise. The plan calls for it to be built just behind Ballys. The biggest obstacle is gaming issues, not desire or feasibility of supporting a team.

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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:24 am



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 31):
Drayton McClane does not have the reputation of a cheap owner. Ask Minnesota (Carl Pohlad) and Montreal/Miami (Jeffrey Loria) of what bad ownership is like.

I didn't say cheap, I said poorly run. The Twins are cheap but extremely well run.

Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 31):

And how many of those times were they dead last in the division?

Who cares? Under .500 is bad

Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 31):

Considering they just swept the Cubs at Wrigley, are 8 games above .500 and still have a slim chance at a wild card spot, calling them "junk" now is just dead wrong.

The 'stros have a 1.2% chance of making the playoffs. That is not promising.
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:26 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):

The 'stros have a 1.2% chance of making the playoffs. That is not promising.

Who cares? They have been scorching hot lately. They're better than any team in the NL west right now. Luck of the draw, theyre in the wrong division this year.... it happens. If the Dodgers catch Arizona and make the playoffs, imagine how they would have finished in 3rd if this was last year. You can't use the varying and unpredictable strength within particular divisions as a benchmark of success. Please..
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:28 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
The 'stros have a 1.2% chance of making the playoffs. That is not promising.

But certainly not junk. The DBacks added Eckstein and Dunn. The Dodgers are sub .500 since getting Manny. I'd say the Astros have a better chance of making the playoffs than the Dodgers do.

Oh and re-read what I said about the Rangers. I didn't call them successful, I said they weren't the worst team in the AL.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:48 am



Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 35):
I'd say the Astros have a better chance of making the playoffs than the Dodgers do.

It isn't even close. The Dodgers have a better than 35% chance based on their current place in the standings to make the playoffs, while the Astros are at 1.2% and fading fast.

Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 35):

Oh and re-read what I said about the Rangers. I didn't call them successful, I said they weren't the worst team in the AL.

With all the money they have and their lack of success, they are absolutely one of the worst teams in baseball.

Quoting DukeofDashes (Reply 35):
The Dodgers are sub .500 since getting Manny

The only reason the Astros have the record they do now is because they have been on a very sizable winning streak, while the Dodgers suffered through a similarly outlying losing streak. That said, the Dodgers are at .500 since getting Manny, 16-16, and that is including an 8 game losing streak.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

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Quoting Moose135 (Reply 17):
Either you have to have an interleague match up every day

What would be so bad about that?

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Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
Orlando/ Lake Buena Vista: Incorporate it into the House of Mouse, or Universal.

The Orlando area would be a great place to move the Marlins to, and you keep them in Florida.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 7):
Yea its called Little Havana.

I agree with you there, they need to make a stadium closer to a knowledgeable baseball fan base that doesn't need to drive all the way past Opa-Locka in northern Miami-Dade county to get to the games. The traffic from Miami is awful going north to get there in late afternoon/early evening. There's nothing else to do or see around there either.
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Part of Little Havana area has been renovated with more commerce, days where art exhibits are held, etc and people can simply walk to it. The site of the Orange Bowl is not that far away and the location is close enough to I-95 and 836, weren't they building the new stadium there? Also that area being developed with new shopping centers and future new condos near I-95 & NW 30-something streets would make for a pretty good site as well.

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
This is ridiculous, 600 people for a game?...

Could it be it was raining heavily before the game? Miami has been getting heavy rains lately. The Dolphins play in a more favorable season weather-wise.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 7):
After the Miami Heat the Marlins have to be my favourite sports team

I don't know why it is exactly but the Heat has never had a very strong fan base (except for when they won 2 years ago). Even back in the late 90s, the last time the team was good, the Heat weren't really all that hot. One can drive around Miami and see very little ads for the Heat, (probably part of the problem) and before Dwyane Wade came to town very few people wearing Heat jerseys for example. The Heat announcers are boring, also, which of course doesn't help making it more exciting on TV.
 
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 38):

The Orlando area would be a great place to move the Marlins to, and you keep them in Florida.

The problem with Orlando is that Disney would need to be involved, and they wanted out of the sports business so bad that they sold the Angels for 1/2 if not 1/3 of what they should have.

Again, Miami is just fine if you actually have the team in Miami in a good stadium, not at a football field in the 'burbs.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):

The problem with Orlando is that Disney would need to be involved

but the Orlando NBA team isn't involved with Disney, why would the Marlins?
 
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 40):

but the Orlando NBA team isn't involved with Disney, why would the Marlins?

It is a bit different with the NBA where you only need to sell 17-20k tickets for half as many games. MLB teams really need at least 35,000 (if not more) seats and need to sell them 81 days/nights a year. With that kind of density needed from a small-medium market, you have to have the biggest game in town involved in some substantial way.
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:16 am

I'm still waiting to hear how the Astros are 'absolute junk'.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:24 am

How about Indianapolis? They have a big enough city to support a major league baseball team, and their football team proves they have dedicated fans.
 
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:51 pm

I agree with Alireza. I think three of the best places for a new franchise would be San Juan, Santo Domingo, and a city in Mexico. Not sure if Mexico City would be the best choice simply because of the same concerns everyone had when the Olympics were held there (pollution, etc). Monterrey, Mexico might be a better choice.

I would love to see a team in Portland but give it very little chance. Same with San Antonio/Austin. They just are not as marketable. A team in Memphis or Nashvegas would not be a bad idea, I just think that San Juan and the two international markets are better choices.

Now, if MLB were really daring they could start to majorly break out of the box. While this idea has the potential to dilute the talent pool, it would make baseball an even more international game. Set up a new damn league. Teams in San Juan, Santo Domingo, Mexico City, Monterrey, Guadalajara, Panama City, Caracas, Maracaibo, Port of Spain, Oranjestad, etc. Two leagues, one trophy at the end of the season. Winner of the AL/NL series plays the winner of the new league's series. Each MLB team plays one of the Latin/Caribbean teams every year at home and away. It will never happen, but I'd like to see it.
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Quoting Texan (Reply 44):
Now, if MLB were really daring they could start to majorly break out of the box. While this idea has the potential to dilute the talent pool, it would make baseball an even more international game. Set up a new damn league. Teams in San Juan, Santo Domingo, Mexico City, Monterrey, Guadalajara, Panama City, Caracas, Maracaibo, Port of Spain, Oranjestad, etc. Two leagues, one trophy at the end of the season. Winner of the AL/NL series plays the winner of the new league's series. Each MLB team plays one of the Latin/Caribbean teams every year at home and away. It will never happen, but I'd like to see it.

Good idea, but you should also set up a Japanese, Taiwan, Korean league.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

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Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 12):
At the expense of the historic Orange Bowl. I am still pissed off at this. An American icon destroyed

I agree with you there. The Orange Bowl was a great place I loved going to games there. But look at Yankee stadium they are even knocking that thing down too. I wish they would have put the new Marlins stadium plans in Downtown but I would rather have the Marlins stay in Miami than have the Orange Bowl.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
I didn't say that. I said was PR is hurricane haven. Think about it. They get more hurricanes than Miami does, normally PR gets hit first.

Well Miami is the most probable major city in the world to be struck by a hurricane than comes Nassau and Havana. Miami gets struck or brushed by a Hurricane every 2.6 years while for San Juan its every 3.6 years. Once every 17.12 years San Juan is has a direct hit by a Hurricane. For Miami its once every 7.21 years. So there are the stats.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 38):
I don't know why it is exactly but the Heat has never had a very strong fan base (except for when they won 2 years ago). Even back in the late 90s, the last time the team was good, the Heat weren't really all that hot.

Well in the late 90s the Heat where pretty good with all those playoffs series with the Knicks. I remember the Miami Arena being sold out all the time. But after they won in 2006 the fan base has become much larger. Miami is a football town and always will be but I think the Heat fan base it getting to be pretty good these days. Even with the horrible season they had last year non of the games I went to were empty like Marlin games, sure it was no sold out but it was nothing like a Marlin game. One reason for this is because first the Stadium is in Downtown Miami and its a somewhat new stadium with nice amenities. The Heat make the game a social event which is "cool" to go to thats why winning or losing plenty of people will go to Miami Heat games.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 38):
Could it be it was raining heavily before the game?

I went to a Yankees game against Kansas City this year. It was absolutely pouring from an hour and a half before the game until about a half hour after the scheduled start time (and there was a tornado warning). They still had 40,000+ there when the game finally started an hour late.

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Quoting Texan (Reply 44):
Not sure if Mexico City would be the best choice simply because of the same concerns everyone had when the Olympics were held there (pollution, etc). Monterrey, Mexico might be a better choice.

Dodger Stadium straddles the L.A. Basin (little smog) and the San Fernando Valley (mucho smog) and it is an icon. Further, I suggested Mexico City because of the larger, more affluent population.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 42):
I'm still waiting to hear how the Astros are 'absolute junk'.

Double digits out of first place despite having a payroll in the top half of the league is a bad thing, especially when combined with a terrible farm system.
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RE: MLB Marlins Need To Move

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Quoting N1120A (Reply 48):

Double digits out of first place despite having a payroll in the top half of the league is a bad thing, especially when combined with a terrible farm system.



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 34):
They're better than any team in the NL west right now. Luck of the draw, theyre in the wrong division this year.... it happens. If the Dodgers catch Arizona and make the playoffs, imagine how they would have finished in 3rd if this was last year. You can't use the varying and unpredictable strength within particular divisions as a benchmark of success. Please..

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