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Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:48 am

I will begin with some most recent pics.


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908013-8.jpg


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908015-5.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908038-2.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908031-1.jpg




... a brand new bus in the paint shop

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908041-1.jpg



http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/IMG_0092.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/f1304.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908019-6.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908002-11.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908011-6.jpg


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/ea90744c/030908018-8.jpg

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:52 am

Good grief American busses are ugly, looks like they haven't updated the designs since the late 70's early 80's.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:49 pm

designs are constantly changing. not sure if you seen the recent NABI, NFI, and BlueBird redesigns.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:27 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 1):
Good grief American busses are ugly, looks like they haven't updated the designs since the late 70's early 80's.



http://www.thebergennetwork.com/z-monthlyphotos/mpbus-200709.jpg
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:01 pm



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 2):
designs are constantly changing. not sure if you seen the recent NABI, NFI, and BlueBird redesigns.

I'll agree with that.

International/Navistar corporation introduced a new school bus that features the New DT466 engine design. Also Thomas, who is owned by Freightliner, has the new C2 (cough cough) which is based on Freightliners Business Class platform.

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:11 pm

Some pics from my hometown:

http://www.mm-trains.com/data/media/846/2241.jpg
http://www.mm-trains.com/data/media/846/3548.jpg
http://www.mm-trains.com/data/media/846/VGA_3506.jpg
http://www.mm-trains.com/data/media/849/P5170155.jpg
http://www.mm-trains.com/data/media/852/605.jpg
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:41 am



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 1):
Good grief American busses are ugly, looks like they haven't updated the designs since the late 70's early 80's.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure you the ones in Australia look any better.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:46 am

I will take a GMC fishbowl over any of today’s boring looking buses, they had class.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:05 am



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 7):

That reminds me of these buses from when I was a kid. Anyone from SoCal will remember these as the "Twinkie Buses." I always used to hate sitting in them; loud, torn seats, massive stick (yes it was a manual) poking out in the aisle. Now I realize they have more character than the newer buses from then as well.

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:35 am



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):
That reminds me of these buses from when I was a kid. Anyone from SoCal will remember these as the "Twinkie Buses." I always used to hate sitting in them; loud, torn seats, massive stick (yes it was a manual) poking out in the aisle. Now I realize they have more character than the newer buses from then as well.

One of my school buses is a Thomas Built Bus from 1995, but it's number is 96824. It means it's the 1996 model and it fits 80 pax (kinder-kids, actually), and the last two are a little sketchy for me, but I think it means it's the 24 in the fleet of it's model and year. I used to hate these ones cause they weren't new, the seats were all deflated, and it just wasn't new.. But nowadays, I'm beginning to like them a whole lot more, but I still hate them because they stink like something died up in the air vents, but their sound is way cool. I'll try and get a recording of it.


My other school bus is 26960 (overload) or 26944. I have no idea what engine or transmission that they use. I wish I knew..
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:51 am



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):
That reminds me of these buses from when I was a kid. Anyone from SoCal will remember these as the "Twinkie Buses." I always used to hate sitting in them; loud, torn seats, massive stick (yes it was a manual) poking out in the aisle. Now I realize they have more character than the newer buses from then as well.

Oh yea! I remember Crown Super Coaches, they was built in California for California. These large school buses came stander in three length, 35, 38 and 40. Until around 1988 or 89, the 40 footer has 10 wheel and had a weight of 48000 lb (the weight of a MCI D 4500). They usually had these choice of engines, Cummins 743/855 or Detroit Diesel 6-71, the cummins sound the best in these bus.

PS: My favorite Crown Supercoaches, both was 10 wheel 40 footer with Cummins engines. The 40 footer LAUSD had are my first favorite, my second is Certified Transportation Service bus # 11. I got to see # 11 in person at Disney land in 2003.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:55 am



Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
Some pics from my hometown:

the first 3 pics ... are those CNG or hybrids ???

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):
Anyone from SoCal will remember these as the "Twinkie Buses."

these and the Super Crowns sound really good.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 7):
I will take a GMC fishbowl over any of today’s boring looking buses, they had class.

...one of the many reasons why I want to move up to Canada.

from what I was told recently, Santa Monica GMC Fishbowl # 5180 does get around on occasions
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:24 am



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 12):

Are you going to the APTA convention in October in SAN?
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:10 am



Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
Some pics from my hometown:

Nice!! I see you get Combinos as well... Join the club!! Although yours is absolutely gigantic, and simply wouldn't fit in our stops.  Smile
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:25 am



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 6):
Oh, yeah. I'm sure you the ones in Australia look any better.

Perhaps not but the writer of that particular observation was from New Zealand NOT Australia.

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:25 am



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 6):
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 1):
Good grief American busses are ugly, looks like they haven't updated the designs since the late 70's early 80's.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure you the ones in Australia look any better.

The ones here in Adelaide, look better then those American ones. Nice design without ugly bars and advertisements on the front. Though the older buses do look a bit ugly. To look for yourself go to google images and type in 'Adelaide Metro buses'. Will come up with some.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:41 am



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 6):
Oh, yeah. I'm sure you the ones in Australia look any better.

Since I don't come from Australia and haven't been there for about 6 years I wouldn't have a clue, but I do think the busses and trams in Norway, Europe and NZ look far more modern than the one in the US. Although I will say the articulated silver and orange and silver and red bus which someone posted a picture looks pretty cool, like a big Airstream caravan.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:31 pm



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 13):

Are you going to the APTA convention in October in SAN?

U bet i am...just registered for it.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:34 pm



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 8):

That reminds me of these buses from when I was a kid. Anyone from SoCal will remember these as the "Twinkie Buses." I always used to hate sitting in them; loud, torn seats, massive stick (yes it was a manual) poking out in the aisle. Now I realize they have more character than the newer buses from then as well.

So thats where the term "Magic Twinkie" came from. Learn something new everyday in this forum.

I rode on a crown everyday from 8-11 grade (1177). Very nice bus and turned better than the Thomas it replaced (1045).

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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:54 pm



Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 16):
Nice design without ugly bars

Yeah but those bars exist as bicycle racks. Functionality over style I suppose.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:49 pm



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 12):
the first 3 pics ... are those CNG or hybrids ???

CNG all the way. I didn't include pics of the older diesels as they are being phased out. Heck, even the first generation of CNG buses is set to be replaced by newer ones (or at least it should be).

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 14):
Nice!! I see you get Combinos as well... Join the club!! Although yours is absolutely gigantic, and simply wouldn't fit in our stops.

Yep, you get in at the rear and somewhere, far away in front of you, you can guess where it ends. Walking from one end to the other takes ages.  Smile Ours are 42m long, but the examples in Basel are 43m long! Time to trump them, I'd say...  Wink Those things have a nice acceleration.

What really makes me angry about the service provider here: Not a single vehicle (buses and trams) is equipped with a/c for the passengers, not even the new Bombardier trams on order will be! Some regional bus lines which also run inside the city are a refreshing exception (pun intended).
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:01 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 21):
What really makes me angry about the service provider here: Not a single vehicle (buses and trams) is equipped with a/c for the passengers, not even the new Bombardier trams on order will be!

Running an A/C unit is expensive. If I turn the A/C on my bus for a about 8-10 hours, I use about 15-20 more liters of diesel a shift. It adds up. Not too mention the maintenance costs involved. Most of the other drivers I work with really don't care, they leave it running on all the time. I'm a bit more conservative with it, most people are on the bus for only 10-15 minutes, so they can handle it (or at least should be able to handle it). Of course, you always get those chronic complainers "Its too hot! Turn the A/C on!" and of course these are always the people that when you're sitting downtown for 10 minutes they want to sit in the bus and expect you to leave the the a/c and engine running for them. Sorry, not gonna happen.

The weather in Germany doesn't get as hot or as long as it does here (and I know this because I lived there for 10 years and commuted on the bus and DB for many of those years). A/C in cars are not as popular there as they are here and with buses its the same. Its just not worth the investment and extra costs. Same thing if you go to many supermarkets in Germany, no A/C.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:35 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 22):
The weather in Germany doesn't get as hot or as long as it does here (and I know this because I lived there for 10 years and commuted on the bus and DB for many of those years). A/C in cars are not as popular there as they are here and with buses its the same. Its just not worth the investment and extra costs. Same thing if you go to many supermarkets in Germany, no A/C.

It does get hot in the summer (at least here in the south)! The problem is not so much the temperature, but the added humidity. I've sweated much more in Germany than in LAS. Some companies obviously think the extra comfort is worth the money, while others don't. Oh, BTW, almost no cars are sold anymore without a/c.
A/c in buildings is another issue as they don't heat up as quickly as cars or buses. Still, many supermarkets have a/c, especially the newer ones.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 22):
If I turn the A/C on my bus for a about 8-10 hours, I use about 15-20 more liters of diesel a shift.

How old are these buses?
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:57 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
It does get hot in the summer (at least here in the south)!

It gets hot, but not that hot and not for that long.

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
The problem is not so much the temperature, but the added humidity. I've sweated much more in Germany than in LAS.

I'll agree with humidity. 28 degrees in Germany is yuckier then 40 degrees here. Same in the winter, it doesn't matter what one wears, it goes right through to the bones.

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
Some companies obviously think the extra comfort is worth the money, while others don't.

Some companies do, others don't. I don't see why a Government funded transit system should have to spend all those extra tax dollars just to give a little bit of comfort to those people who don't even make a dent in the operating costs of running a transit system. My commute was about 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the afternoon including 1 bus, 2 trains and the stassenbahn. none of them had A/C and you learnt to deal with it.

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
Oh, BTW, almost no cars are sold anymore without a/c.

Many cars there still have A/C as an option, not as a standard feature. They have been getting a bit more popular, but still not nearly as popular as they are here.

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
A/c in buildings is another issue as they don't heat up as quickly as cars or buses. Still, many supermarkets have a/c, especially the newer ones.

Many supermarkets/malls/retail stores/resteraunts do not have a/c.

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
How old are these buses?

The Dennis' are about 12 years old, the International is about 4 years old and the Novas are about 1 month old. The old Orion's we had (years before I started working for the company but I grew up with them) never had A/C and it was just as hot back then as it is now. Again, we learnt to accept it and no one complained. But now, most passengers know we have A/C and God forbid you tell them that they can't wait in the bus and leave the engive running while I go for my coffee break.

Lets do a bit of math here, lets say we use the A/C everyday for the months of July and August (even though May and June get just as hot here) 12 hours a day and 8 buses. The current price for diesel is 134.0 per liter. So, we have to pay a good $15000 a year extra on fuel alone just for the comfort of a few people. Its not worth it, sorry to say.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:55 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
It gets hot, but not that hot and not for that long.

Well, then I have to say we have different definitions for the subject.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
Some companies do, others don't. I don't see why a Government funded transit system should have to spend all those extra tax dollars just to give a little bit of comfort to those people who don't even make a dent in the operating costs of running a transit system.

Government funded? Haha. From my home, I pay 3.60 Euros to get into the city centre and back. See who's funding the system?
Actually, almost all cities now order their buses and trams with a/c. What really makes me angry is the fact that many of these have lower fares than we do in my city.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
Many cars there still have A/C as an option, not as a standard feature.

That doesn't change the fact that almost all cars are sold with a/c. Owners of used cars without a/c have to sell their cars at significantly reduced prices.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
They have been getting a bit more popular, but still not nearly as popular as they are here.

Well, what percentage of new cars in Canada are sold with a/c?

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
The Dennis' are about 12 years old, the International is about 4 years old and the Novas are about 1 month old.

And there's no difference in the additional fuel consumption of the a/c?

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
just for the comfort of a few people. Its not worth it, sorry to say.

Most people would disagree with you. And why do most cities (including your own!) think it is worth the money?
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:14 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
Government funded? Haha. From my home, I pay 3.60 Euros to get into the city centre and back. See who's funding the system?

Do you honestly that 3.60 you pay covers what amount of money required to run a transit system? The fare doesn't even cover the amount of fuel required to run a transit system.

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
That doesn't change the fact that almost all cars are sold with a/c.

There is a difference with cars being sold as something standard or as an option.

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
Well, what percentage of new cars in Canada are sold with a/c?

Most cars in Canada are sold with A/C as standard, in other words there is no extra package or

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
And there's no difference in the additional fuel consumption of the a/c?

Very little. You do know how an A/C system works in a vehicle right? Basically its an extra compressor that runs off the engine. In other words, the engine has to work harder to run the A/C and thus burn more fuel.

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
Most people would disagree with you. And why do most cities (including your own!) think it is worth the money?

There are people that will disagree with me and others that would agree with me. Depends on which side you want to be on. Our city doesn't think its worth the extra money, our buses come with A/C standard, so we have no choice. However, a transit system (ours and yours) is funded by local and state/provincial and even federal governments, tax dollars is what makes it run, not the small percentage collected through bus fares. As with all Government funding, there is only "X" amount of dollars/euros available, so each company has to budget within that. This funding is needed not only to run the system, but also expand it. So the more money one spends on unnecessary comforts, you have less money to expand the system.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:53 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
Do you honestly that 3.60 you pay covers what amount of money required to run a transit system? The fare doesn't even cover the amount of fuel required to run a transit system.

If nearly 58 million pax per year pay about the same amount of money, then I think it covers a very good chunk of the system. On top of that, we shouldn't forget that an investment in public transport means less investment for individual transport, which is also partly financed by the taxpayer.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
There is a difference with cars being sold as something standard or as an option.

It doesn't matter because the total percentage of cars with a/c is about the same. That's what I'd define as popularity.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
Very little. You do know how an A/C system works in a vehicle right? Basically its an extra compressor that runs off the engine. In other words, the engine has to work harder to run the A/C and thus burn more fuel.

Sure. But in the last few years, the efficiency of a/c systems has increased quite a bit, at least in cars. A modern a/c unit will only consume as much power as needed, in contrast to older ones that waste much power. I'd be very surprised if such systems aren't installed in newer buses as well.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
So the more money one spends on unnecessary comforts, you have less money to expand the system.

Believe it or not, our city seems to have too much money for public transport. A major expansion of public transport was/is planned and the city had already secured significant state money to fund part of it. Then some idiots decided they don't want it and organized a referendum. The majority voted for the project to go ahead. Of course, those nutcases still thought they should be right, and organized another one! And because everyone thought they'd lose again, few people went to vote. You can guess what happened then...
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:11 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 27):
If nearly 58 million pax per year pay about the same amount of money, then I think it covers a very good chunk of the system. On top of that, we shouldn't forget that an investment in public transport means less investment for individual transport, which is also partly financed by the taxpayer.

And how much do you think it costs to move those 58 million people around? Not to mention, the amount of people (frequent riders) who buy passes at a much lower rate? The area where I lived, 3.60 was an einzeltiket for a mutli-zone trip and it cost 1.80 for a single zone trip. A 4er karte cost me 10 Euros or only 2.50 per trip (multi-zone) and a day card was even less then the 4er karte and a montly pass only cost me about 80 Euros which enabled me to travel unlimited from Koln all the way up to Emmerich including the use of DB. And most people who use transit, use these types of passes, so its only a small percentage of people who actually pay the full fare.

Quoting A342 (Reply 27):
It doesn't matter because the total percentage of cars with a/c is about the same. That's what I'd define as popularity.

Sorry, its not even close. Finding a car in Canada without A/C is like finding a car with automatic transmission in Germany  Wink

Quoting A342 (Reply 27):
Sure. But in the last few years, the efficiency of a/c systems has increased quite a bit, at least in cars. A modern a/c unit will only consume as much power as needed, in contrast to older ones that waste much power. I'd be very surprised if such systems aren't installed in newer buses as well.

They have increased in efficiency, but they still require more fuel to run and it adds up a lot quicker then people think. If BC Transit did not use their A/C units for one year, the savings would be in the millions. Also, newer buses cost money. The Nova's we just got are worth $250,000 each. Again, the $2 regular fare here doesn't even pay for the down payment on them.

Quoting A342 (Reply 27):
Believe it or not, our city seems to have too much money for public transport. A major expansion of public transport was/is planned and the city had already secured significant state money to fund part of it. Then some idiots decided they don't want it and organized a referendum. The majority voted for the project to go ahead. Of course, those nutcases still thought they should be right, and organized another one! And because everyone thought they'd lose again, few people went to vote. You can guess what happened then...

Thats normal. Most cities have to match the state/provincial/federal governments funding, or at least a percentage of it. Its the same thing here, we secured the funding for our newest run over 2 years ago and it finally started a couple of weeks ago. We're looking for increased hours in service and we've already secured the funding for this even though the city says there's no need for extended service.

And one of the reasons why some cities don't vote for expansion (regardless of the amount of funding) is because they look at the numbers on how much it costs to run a single bus and go from there.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:33 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
Thats normal. Most cities have to match the state/provincial/federal governments funding

In the case I explained, that's not the case. The funds are just a one-off. And if we don't use them for the project like it was planned, we could lose them.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
And one of the reasons why some cities don't vote for expansion (regardless of the amount of funding) is because they look at the numbers on how much it costs to run a single bus and go from there.

The majority in the city council favoured the project, it's the people who in the end voted against it.


On the other issues, I guess we have to agree on the fact that we disagree.  Smile
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:47 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 29):
In the case I explained, that's not the case. The funds are just a one-off. And if we don't use them for the project like it was planned, we could lose them.

If we don't use the funds, we lose them as well. Which is a problem in many communities because the council keeps debating, stalling until the deadline passes and then complain there is no funding left.

Quoting A342 (Reply 29):
The majority in the city council favoured the project, it's the people who in the end voted against it.

Just like with our new run, the majority voted for it, the funding was there, but most people didn't want it because they thought that more "surveys" were needed.

Quoting A342 (Reply 29):
On the other issues, I guess we have to agree on the fact that we disagree.

Not much to disagree on, A/C uses more fuel, fuel costs money, fuel costs twice as much as it did five years ago (at least here, not there), fares account for very little of the money required to run a transit system. Transit systems are like any business, they don't have an endless supply of money and they have to cut-back to save money. If this means reducing the comfort of people for a small amount of time during the day over a couple of months in the year, so be it. It's either that or cut back on service offered.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:34 pm



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 18):
U bet i am...just registered for it.

I'm going too! My mom just has to buy the ticket for me. I'm going with her and her coworkers from the Regional Transportation Commission, all of whom I know very well..
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:01 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 30):
If this means reducing the comfort of people for a small amount of time during the day over a couple of months in the year, so be it. It's either that or cut back on service offered.

Hm, some cities have managed to both expand the systems AND increase the comfort. That's my point.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:13 am



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
Although I will say the articulated silver and orange and silver and red bus which someone posted a picture looks pretty cool, like a big Airstream caravan.

That's the one I find to be the UGLIEST.. I don't know, I guess it's warming up to me...
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:17 am



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 18):

U bet i am...just registered for it.



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 31):
I'm going too!

That makes 3 of us.. i registered way back in April.

Nick  Smile
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:58 am

Toronto Transit Commission 2008 Orion VII Next-Generation, Hybrid model

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/hoonscx/1422_IMG_0992.jpg

Hamilton Street Railway (it isn't really a railway, though) 2008 New Flyer Industries D40LF

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/hoonscx/0802_HSR_IMG_0975.jpg

Hamilton Street Railway 2003 New Flyer Industries C40LF, CNG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/hoonscx/0304_HSR_IMG_0978.jpg

Mississauga Transit 2007 New Flyer Industries D40LFR

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/hoonscx/0731_IMG_1111.jpg

Mississauga Transit 2005 New Flyer Industries D40LF

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/hoonscx/0538_IMG_1117.jpg

Mississauga Transit 2008 New Flyer Industries D40LFR with grey skirting.. do you think it makes it look better?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/hoonscx/0803_IMG_1196.jpg
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:35 am



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 35):
do you think it makes it look better?

yes. more color  Smile

Quoting Nicksair (Reply 34):
That makes 3 of us.. i registered way back in April.

Nick

wonderful looking forward to see u guys there.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:42 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
Do you honestly that 3.60 you pay covers what amount of money required to run a transit system? The fare doesn't even cover the amount of fuel required to run a transit system.

I would think a lot more people use public transportation in Europe/Germany than in Canada so the fare probably covers a much larger percentage of the costs than in Canada.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
There is a difference with cars being sold as something standard or as an option.

Air con is standard in most cars sold in Europe today, the option you get is for either multi zone or climate controlled air con.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
Sorry, its not even close. Finding a car in Canada without A/C is like finding a car with automatic transmission in Germany

Finding a car in Germany with an auto tranny is easy just look for an expensive one.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
They have increased in efficiency, but they still require more fuel to run and it adds up a lot quicker then people think.

I have a new BMW with climate controlled A/C, I get about 15 km more out of a tank of gas if I use it than if I don't, considering I get approx 1000km from a tank the use of A/C is neither here nor there.


I'm guessing it's been a long time since you lived in Germany and probably just as long since the last time you visited, you would be surprised at the differences between now and then.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:57 am

The different forms of public transportation in my hometown of Munich:

Buses:

http://www.bus-bild.de/bilder/o-530-citaro-facelift-10116.jpg
http://www.bus-bild.de/bilder/muenchner-verkehrsgesellschaft-mvg-7875.jpg
http://www.mvg-mobil.de/images/downloads/MVG-Niederflur-Gelenkbus_02_300_DPI.JPG

Streetcar/Tram:

http://www.tram-muenchen.de/images/downloads/2214-dmu_desktop.jpg
http://www.tram-muenchen.de/images/downloads/2155-nam_desktop.jpg
http://www.tram-muenchen.de/images/fotos/r3-innen.jpg

Metro/Underground:

http://www.mvg-mobil.de/images/downloads/MVG-U-Bahn-C-Zug_08_300_DPI.JPG
http://www.mvg-mobil.de/images/downloads/MVG-U-Bahn-A-B-C-Zug_05_300_DPI.JPG
http://www.mvg-mobil.de/images/downloads/MVG-U-Bahn-C-Zug_04_300_DPI.JPG

Suburbian Train:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/ET_423_244_MHAB.jpg
http://auto.pege.org/2004-citreon-jumper/s-bahn-muenchen_print.jpg
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:51 pm



Quoting Marquis (Reply 38):
The different forms of public transportation in my hometown of Munich:

Buses:

I envy you, yours have a/c! But what about the trams?
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:55 pm

I may be an aviation geek. But buses are just sad.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:33 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 39):
I envy you, yours have a/c! But what about the trams?

If I recall correctly from the time when using the tram on my way to school everyday, they have an A/C, too.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:00 am

Hey Glid4500, may be you know. I reed that OCTA is looking into buying some 75 or may be even 80 ft buses, is this a rumour or is it true. If so when will OCTA buy these buses and form who. Van Hool is the only company that I can think of, who would make 80 foot long tranisit buses or is New Flyer trying something new?
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:54 am

I thought I bring this up, but people out side of California do not knows Gillig produced a school bus version of the Phantom. It do not have a slope driver windshield like the transit version and it exaut was in the rear bumper and it had a rear window.

In 1993, our Jr High graduating class, Charter one fom Ryder Transportation to go to Disney Land. I remeber how the girl in my class was putting on make up in the rear seat to look older.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:04 am



Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
Some pics from my hometown:

Are your buses almost exclusively MAN buses? We have MAN buses in Hamburg, but they're rare compared to the many Citaros and older O405Ns that are still around.
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:35 am



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 36):
wonderful looking forward to see u guys there

Got my ticket! It's a go! I'm flying on WN710 and going back home to Las Vegas, I'm on WN922.. I'm so excited! My first flight of the year! And, I get to go to a bus convention!
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:03 am

Adding the seemingly obligatory US locomotive pic:

An ES44DC (correct me if I'm wrong please!!) at the Glenwood Springs Amtrak Station, waiting on the California Zephyr to Grand Junction.




The RIFTA Ruby Park Transportation Center in Aspen, CO. The right is the back of a New Flyer D40LF, and the tree is blocking a pair Neoplan buses (forgot model-sorry!).

->Edited for locomotive model specifics.

[Edited 2008-09-08 21:07:54]
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:23 am

Here are some of my more recent (September 2008) photos.

From a recent trip to the San Francisco Bay Area:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/Other%20Bay%20Area/P8300183.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/Other%20Bay%20Area/P8300185.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8300085.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8300094.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8300096.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8300106.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8300107.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8300108.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P8310303.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Rail/P9010436.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Muni%20Bus/P8300161.jpg

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee80/ztonyg/SF%20Muni%20Bus/P8300132.jpg
 
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:32 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 44):
Are your buses almost exclusively MAN buses?

Yep, the Stadtwerke operate only MANs. While the buses aren't produced here, MAN is one of the biggest employers in Augsburg. I guess this has a lot to do with the loyalty to MAN buses.
Some companies operating regional routes also have Mercedes buses, but it seems their newest ones are MANs, too.
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RE: Bus, Rail, Etc Transport Pic Thread - Sept 2008

Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:01 pm

Bergamo, Italy:

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The old funicular between Città alta (upper city) and lower city:

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