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Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:35 pm

Seems like Bosnia still has a long way to go !!

Posters call for execution of gays as tensions mount over Sarajevo queer festival

International observers have spoken out after tensions around the first ever gay festival in Bosnia intensified.

The Queer Sarajevo Festival is to take place in from September 24th to 27th. The Dutch, Canadian and Swiss embassies are among those supporting the event.

However, a Muslim politician in Bosnia has criticised the country's gay community for holding an LGBT event that coincides with his religion's observance of Ramadan.

Posters appeared on the streets of Sarajevo this week proclaiming "Death To Gays" and imams have spoken out, claiming that homosexuality is immoral and contrary to the Koran.

The Bosnia mission of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe expressed concern about the situation.

"The mission strongly condemns attempts to incite violence against any group within Bosnia and Herzegovina," the OSCE said in a statement.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8919.html
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:42 pm



Quoting Oa260 (Thread starter):
However, a Muslim politician in Bosnia has criticised the country's gay community for holding an LGBT event that coincides with his religion's observance of Ramadan.

Perhaps he should learn tolerance. But its also just easier to him to call for execution...  sarcastic 
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:46 pm



Quoting Oa260 (Thread starter):
However, a Muslim politician in Bosnia has criticised the country's gay community for holding an LGBT event that coincides with his religion's observance of Ramadan.

Would they be happy if we pushed it back until Ramadan was over?

Oh wait.

Quoting Oa260 (Thread starter):
Posters appeared on the streets of Sarajevo this week proclaiming "Death To Gays" and imams have spoken out, claiming that homosexuality is immoral and contrary to the Koran.

So the Holiday issue is only a ruse.

OK I get it now, hello pot, kettle here, your black.
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:42 am

There are some very serious issues to be addressed in Bosnia before they become closer to being a part of the European Union. This type of behaviour is not acceptable in the EU. The posters should have been removed right away and a statement issued by the government against it.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:08 am



Quoting Oa260 (Reply 3):
There are some very serious issues to be addressed in Bosnia before they become closer to being a part of the European Union. This type of behaviour is not acceptable in the EU. The posters should have been removed right away and a statement issued by the government against it.

I agree, but there will be forces very keen in bringing Bosnia into the EU as soon as possible. Perhaps they are the new generation of anti-EU activists who realize that the best chance to destroy the Union is to have it implode by bringing in as many dysfunctional countries as possible.

Can anyone wait anymore? It's perfectly fine to stop and breathe for about 20-30 years before starting on another expansion --- or perhaps come to the conclusion that the EU is big enough already and stop.

Bosnia is a cantonized country, perhaps the different cantons can unilaterally declare independence! We could then start with the most civilized part of Bosnia and leave the least compatible part out of the EU. Oh the new rules of unilateral independence will be a hoot and a half, let me tell ya!

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Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:15 pm



Quoting Asturias (Reply 4):
best chance to destroy the Union is to have it implode by bringing in as many dysfunctional countries as possible.

Hmm very true.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:34 pm



Quoting Oa260 (Thread starter):
However, a Muslim politician in Bosnia has criticised the country's gay community for holding an LGBT event that coincides with his religion's observance of Ramadan.

I wonder if they did that just to spite the Islamists?

Quoting Oa260 (Thread starter):
Posters appeared on the streets of Sarajevo this week proclaiming "Death To Gays" and imams have spoken out, claiming that homosexuality is immoral and contrary to the Koran.

Thank you religion!  sarcastic 

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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:41 pm



Quoting Asturias (Reply 4):

I agree, but there will be forces very keen in bringing Bosnia into the EU as soon as possible. Perhaps they are the new generation of anti-EU activists who realize that the best chance to destroy the Union is to have it implode by bringing in as many dysfunctional countries as possible.

Agreed. The first step was to let Romania and Bulgaria join the union. Bosnia will be just the logical and natural continuation for this implosion project.
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:55 pm

I wonder whether queer festivals really are a good way to go forward in such backward communities. In those places, gays above all need to become seen as something normal and non-threatening. People need to learn that the average person on the street might just happen to be gay. Meanwhile, pride parades and festivals with music and dances and displays etc. might just alienate people further. It'll be easy for religious extremists to point and say, look at them, we've told you they're perverts.

By the way, it's nice how some posters here have singled out Islam as the root of the problem.  Smile Anti-gay sentiments are a problem throughout Eastern Europe, in catholic, muslim and orthodox countries alike.
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:15 pm

Nothing new on the Balkans then.

This will blow over pretty soon. There are similar outcries - on a smaller scale though - in Croatia as well, but nothing ever happens. The people in these parts are generally big on words, but small on actions. Every week you hear outrage and planned protests and revolutions on inflation, gay rights, fuel prices, housing prices, the EU, NATO and every other word in the dictionary - but everything calms down and returns to the status quo within a few days when everybody blows off some steam... this'll probably be the same.
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:26 am

I think the move to the more fundamental and less liberal version of Islam in Bosnia (Herzegovina is predominantly catholic) is a left-over from the Balkan wars... This is not to say, that the youth of the nation is not very liberal for the most part - but the Bosnian society has done a giant course change during the 90s. Guess who has the largest embassy in Sarajevo? Saudi Arabia ... you might call it an outright palace. Guess who chips in for support money to families of dead Bosnian soldiers? Saudi Arabia again (in turn the family has to abide to the stricest laws of Islam)...

Quoting Asturias (Reply 4):
Bosnia is a cantonized country, perhaps the different cantons can unilaterally declare independence! We could then start with the most civilized part of Bosnia and leave the least compatible part out of the EU. Oh the new rules of unilateral independence will be a hoot and a half, let me tell ya!

I don't think that would be a good idea at this time (yet). The tensions are still there and calling for independence of the cantons could rekindle those.

Now, please don't get me wrong. I've been to Sarajevo recently and it's interesting to see the intermingling of both liberal views and Islam. I could hardly say that Bosnia was ever fundamentalist Islamic (nor is it even today), but as said - this has been a recent development and I'm confident that the younger generations will not let themselves be taken to the extreme in any way.

And as a shameless plug - go visit Sarajevo, go visit Bosnia. Trust me, you won't regret it  Smile

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Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:27 pm



Quoting Damirc (Reply 14):
And as a shameless plug - go visit Sarajevo, go visit Bosnia. Trust me, you won't regret it

Not so long as there are posters calling for death to gays. I don't care whether it's a faction or not. This sort of language without strong condemnation from the government is not exactly an welcoming mat I want to see when I'm visiting a foreign country.
 
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:50 pm

How reactionary. But I am not surprised. This is one of the most backward parts of Europe. A lot of people in that region need to learn about tolerance, equality and ideas like that. I should know, my heritage is ex-Yugoslavian.
 
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:39 am



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 6):

I wonder if they did that just to spite the Islamists?

Ramadan is a month long. It is also impossible to predict when it begins because it is based on the sighting of a certain star from a certain tower in Medina(?). And so I have seen Ramadan happen in the Autumn, the Spring, and the Winter.

Quoting Rara (Reply 8):
I wonder whether queer festivals really are a good way to go forward in such backward communities. In those places, gays above all need to become seen as something normal and non-threatening.

There are those who also believe in challenging others. I personally avoid Pride Parades like the plague. Just not my speed at all. Although I get where they're coming from.
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RE: Bosnia / Posters Call For Execution Of Gays!

Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:04 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7634901.stm

At least eight people were hurt after opponents clashed with police at Bosnia's first gay rights festival.
Helen Fawkes reports from Sarajevo.

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