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F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:13 pm

The Spa-Francorchamps thread was very interesting, just like the race, but has turned into a big argument over Lewis Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen, Ferrari etc.

So I am taking the liberty of starting a new thread for discussion of this weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza, with the hope that the gibber on the other thread is kept there unless new developments come out of the appeal against Lewis' demotion.

Here's a lap video on-board with Michael Schumacher from the 2006 qualifying round there...

 
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:28 pm



Quoting Boeing74741R (Thread starter):
So I am taking the liberty of starting a new thread for discussion of this weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza

The new thread is appreciated (and needed!) Monza is one of my favourite circuits, I'm really looking forward to this race.

Quoting Boeing74741R (Thread starter):
with the hope that the gibber on the other thread is kept there unless new developments come out of the appeal against Lewis' demotion.

Yes, please keep this thread on-topic for the Monza race. Any further discussion about Spa should continue in the existing thread:
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:37 pm

For now, the only thing I'm hoping for on Sunday is a lot of SUN!!!!
To make it exciting despite no rain, I wouldn't mind a couple opf safety cars in the middle, but keep the rain away!  Wink
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:31 pm

All I can say at this time is rain, please rain, tons of rain! Lightning and thunder, please! A big bad storm in Monza on Sunday during the GP!  cheerful 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
All I can say at this time is rain, please rain, tons of rain! Lightning and thunder, please! A big bad storm in Monza on Sunday during the GP!

ok now that's just mean  Wink

What I am confident about is that Ferrari does have a car that is good for a fast circuit like Monza, and both Massa and Kimi have proven to be fast under the proper conditions ... and they're racing at home. Maybe I'm dreaming but a nice 1-2 would not bother me
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:52 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
All I can say at this time is rain, please rain, tons of rain! Lightning and thunder, please! A big bad storm in Monza on Sunday during the GP!

And what, have it canceled? No thanks!
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:07 pm

I'm hoping for rain, and maybe with luck, even a victory by Timo Glock, Sebastian Vettel or even Nick Heidfeld, just to piss off Ferrari and the other big squads.  Silly
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:08 pm



Quoting Moo (Reply 5):
And what, have it canceled? No thanks!

How bad does it have to be to get it called off and if it does, do they reschedule or does it get definitely suspended?
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:45 pm

I'll through all my Politics aside and say that Monza should be a good circuit.

One thing that is interesting is that both Ferrari's will be on New Engines, I don't know if Lewis will be on the same from Spa or not, and I also don't know what Kova's on.

But it is a really fast circuit with low downforce. With some Rain or a colder track, the McLarens are favored here....no doubt about that. With no rain and a colder track...I think McLaren are still favoured. With sun and a Hot track...Its Ferrari's race to lose. All I hope is that if a Ferrari has to win...let it be Kimi...and if he wins...here's hoping for Lewis to come in Second.

BUT...I would LOVE for rain...not because I want Lewis to win (well yes i do)..But because it'll make the race...REALLY exciting...because Monza doesn't have much action otherwise....because of its long straights, and not too many corners.
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:57 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):

One thing that is interesting is that both Ferrari's will be on New Engines,

Raikkonen is still on an old engine isn't he? His engine blew in Valencia so Spa would have been his 1st race on a new engine.
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:37 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 9):
Raikkonen is still on an old engine isn't he? His engine blew in Valencia so Spa would have been his 1st race on a new engine.

Yeah..but I think because he crashed out..he's permitted to have a new engine.
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:48 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
BUT...I would LOVE for rain...not because I want Lewis to win (well yes i do)..But because it'll make the race...REALLY exciting

rain is even more exciting if it shows up at the end or in the middle of the race like last sunday, when it kind of takes everyone by surprise and everyone starts spinning all over (or crashing against walls!). Massa should practice just in case for the next couple of days to drive his car through the car wash and see if he can go straight. Then he might have a chance on Sunday (to finish the race!)
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:58 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 9):
Raikkonen is still on an old engine isn't he?

Correct. But I expect him to be strong, given that he has nothing to lose.
If Kimi takes more points than Massa, it would decrease Massa's chances to become world champion. This has made me think, will Ferrari tell Kimi to back off to help Massa, or will they allow him to fight for the win?

Any news on the weather forecast?
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:01 pm

I'd like Massa to win, or Kimi to finally get his act together and drive a normal race. And for BMW Sauber to make a normal less than 12 seconds Pit-Stop number 2 for Kubica, and a little less help for Heidfeld this time.

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Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:03 pm



Quoting Rockson (Reply 12):
Any news on the weather forecast?

According to the latest forecast on the BBC the weather for the Milan area is heavy showers for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Ferrari had better put some water skis on their cars to keep up with Hamilton.
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:14 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 14):
Ferrari had better put some water skis on their cars to keep up with Hamilton.

Water skis? How about some water wings?!  duck 
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:30 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 4):
What I am confident about is that Ferrari does have a car that is good for a fast circuit like Monza, and both Massa and Kimi have proven to be fast under the proper conditions ... and they're racing at home. Maybe I'm dreaming but a nice 1-2 would not bother me

What a surprise!  wink 

Let me just suggest that things may not be as straight forward as you would like.
1) The McLaren seems to handle the big kerbs of the Monza chicanes better than the Ferrari.
2) Last year Alonso and Hamilton inflicted a crushing 1-2 on Ferrari in their own back-yard!
3) The weather looks as though it will not do Ferrari any favours.
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:26 am



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
1) The McLaren seems to handle the big kerbs of the Monza chicanes better than the Ferrari.

I know  Sad

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
2) Last year Alonso and Hamilton inflicted a crushing 1-2 on Ferrari in their own back-yard!

I know  Sad

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
3) The weather looks as though it will not do Ferrari any favours

Now I know!  Sad

 Wink


But eventually Ferrari's drivers will have to have a good race under the water. KR is not that bad actually with those conditions ... yes, for the wdc Massa has to win, but I don't mind. In any case, the good thing of heavy rain is that no one can no for sure who will win because these races tend to have many many changes.

I can´t wait!!
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:48 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
In any case, the good thing of heavy rain is that no one can no for sure who will win because these races tend to have many many changes.

Yeah....tell me about it...I mean...remember last year in Fuji when it was downpouring....and there were all these guys in the lead...Lots of Changes to P1.

No...wait...that was mostly all Hamilton.
 
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:22 am



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 14):
Ferrari had better put some water skis on their cars to keep up with Hamilton. Big grin

Oh... I absolutely love this!  hyper 

Maybe the spirit in the New Hadron Collider will send lots of rain on Monza Sunday afternoon.  Yeah sure  Confused
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:28 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
Maybe the spirit in the New Hadron Collider will send lots of rain on Monza Sunday afternoon.

Possibly, but I don't think that was its main purpose, useful as it might be. Don't forget rain often means safety cars, and one safety car at the "right" moment can entirely spoil our day Madame!  Wow!
 
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:13 am



Quoting Rockson (Reply 12):
This has made me think, will Ferrari tell Kimi to back off to help Massa, or will they allow him to fight for the win?

According to Kimi he is still in the race for the WDC. And if he manage to quali ahead of Massa, or being overall faster, I don't think he will be restricted to back off.

To win at Monza is not all about points for Ferrari, it's a matter of not losing their heads in front of their huge home crowd as Italians are a very proud people. So you can bet that Ferrari is pulling that little bit extra out of everyone in the team to bring this home, and honestly, I think they are able to do it. Not with Massa but with Kimi as he is simply overall faster then Massa in race conditions.

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Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:25 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 20):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
Maybe the spirit in the New Hadron Collider will send lots of rain on Monza Sunday afternoon.

Possibly, but I don't think that was its main purpose, useful as it might be. Don't forget rain often means safety cars, and one safety car at the "right" moment can entirely spoil our day Madame! Wow!

I was trying to find some good use for the CERN machine before they really put it into action. Let it bring big rain to the track on GP day. Monza is not that far away from Geneva after all. Maybe the LHC vibrations and the giant statue of Shiva at CERN will send a call to the Rain God.  laughing 

You are right about the safety cars, though... they can indeed spoil a race at least for us GP fans.  Sad
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:28 am

Monza isn't far from CERN so it will be the first to get sucked in to the black hole.
 
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:36 pm

30 years ago today F1 driver Ronnie Peterson died as the result of a terrible crash at Monza. R.I.P.

[Edited 2008-09-11 07:47:41]
 
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:00 pm



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 13):
and a little less help for Heidfeld this time.

Help for Heidfeld? The decision to go for the full-wets in Spa was heidfelds own decision not the teams, and a brilliant decision at that. Kubica could have done the same, but he didnt. And you don't seriously believe that the team f*cked up Kubica's pit stop just to help Heidfeld do you?

Heidfeld had to take a lot of sh*t over the last weeks, and rightfully so, but Spa was a brilliant race for him, and he deserves full credit for it.

And besided, what makes you think that the team would help Heidfeld while Kubica is the clear nr1, and while it's almost certain that Heidfeld will leave the team after the season?!
 
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Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:07 pm



Quoting Rockson (Reply 24):
30 years ago today F1 driver Ronnie Peterson died as the result of a terrible crash at Monza. R.I.P.

That many years already... Time certainly goes fast.  Sad
This is why I never wish for any driver from any team to crash during the races or trials or qualifying. F1 can be deadly. We have seen it.  Sad

I hope every one of them will think ahead and keep safe this Sunday.
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:41 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 20):
Don't forget rain often means safety cars, and one safety car at the "right" moment can entirely spoil our day Madame! Wow!

Not only can it upturn the standings it can make or break pit stop strategies, and that has a knock on effect on where the driver finishes.
 
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:58 pm

Dear Lewis Hamilton,

If the Safety car comes out, and its about time for you to Pit anyway....do it. No more horsing around with last minute passing that makes everyone thing you're awesome. Pit with everyone else, and Win the race.

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Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:13 am



Quoting Rockson (Reply 24):
30 years ago today

How time flies...

In Memory of Ronnie, George Harrison's tribute to the F1 circus

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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:42 am

Dear BluE

Thanks for your kind hints. However, I do like to make things more exciting. These cars just going round and round can be really boring and can you imagine what it is like with those engines in your ears?

Added to which, we are finding that the others seem to get a bit put off when we do not do the screamingly obvious and have to spend half the race with our backs to the wall. Still this is better than that red car I saw the other day that had its front into the wall.

Signed

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PS. Keep up the rain dance, I like rain.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:52 am

Hamilton puts Spa saga behind him

Lewis Hamilton says he will not allow last Sunday's dramatic events in Spa to distract him at the Italian Grand Prix in Monza this weekend.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7611122.stm

Hamilton said: "I don't feel at all disheartened by what happened.

"I don't feel that there's a need for revenge. We want to win on the track. Winning in court is not what we want."

...
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No pleasure cruise -
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And I ain't gonna lose -

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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:11 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 31):

Why on earth can't he be more humble?


"We had the same amount of grip," said Hamilton. "That's the way he drives."

"If you don't have the balls to brake late, that's your problem."

"At the end of the day, in those situations, it's the driver who can feel the grip more, and put the car more on the edge."

"I'm great in those conditions, and I felt the grip more than he did."


If you want to put these events behind you, then stop badmouthing other drivers and stop saying how great you are!

But this one takes the price: ""- I'm no No 2, whoever you put me next to - even Michael Schumacher."


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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:17 am



Quoting Rockson (Reply 32):
Why on earth can't he be more humble?

He's a racing car driver. Racing car drivers are never wrong. At least in their individual minds.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:27 am



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 33):
He's a racing car driver. Racing car drivers are never wrong. At least in their individual minds.

Only Hamilton is wrong or arrogant according to some people even though the very nature of the sport breeds arrogant and self centered people. Like Schumacher, Prost, Senna, Mansell, Piquet etc etc all had these traits but only Hamilton is a villian in some peoples minds.
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:36 am

1st practice just finished, with far from everyone running as it was very wet. No meaningful times set.

Most of the action seen in the pits was mopping out the garages!
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:40 am



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 35):
1st practice just finished, with far from everyone running as it was very wet. No meaningful times set.

Most of the action seen in the pits was mopping out the garages!

Maybe they should be racing ducks in this weather, or even fish
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:47 am

The Large Hadron Collider's influence on Monza is a reality.
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:11 am



Quoting Rockson (Reply 32):
But this one takes the price: ""- I'm no No 2, whoever you put me next to - even Michael Schumacher."

How the hell can someone who's been in F1 for just a few minutes even remotly want to compare himself to a 7-time champion? Not even Alonso would say something that stupid!

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 34):
Like Schumacher, Prost, Senna, Mansell, Piquet etc etc all had these traits but only Hamilton is a villian in some peoples minds.

But all the ones you mentioned were much better drivers than Hamilton, at least from what's been seen from him so far (unless you were talking about Piquet jr. ;D)

. I do agree that many individual sports are a breed for being arrogant though.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 37):
The Large Hadron Collider's influence on Monza is a reality.

 banghead  (just replace the head by a car and that's what I fear will happen to Ferrari  Sad )


but hey, I could be wrong, and I know that KR can perform under the rain
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:13 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 37):
The Large Hadron Collider's influence on Monza is a reality.
Go Rain! Go!

You are for real!?
I would be very careful wishing rain so much as Hamilton are nothing but human, and makes mistakes.
And let me add, Hamilton will ALWAYS be no. 2 next to Schumi until he have scored 8 WDC titles.
It's not bad to have an ego, but is this ego, or is he just unsecure!
And maybe he should tone it down a bit until the flag drops in Brazil. Even Kimi has a chance to the title as there is 50 points up for grabs.

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Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:31 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 38):
But all the ones you mentioned were much better drivers than Hamilton

Well he's been more succesful after a year and a half then all those drivers were in their first year and a half and I still believe he is the best driver in Formula 1 currently.
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:49 am



Quoting Sudden (Reply 39):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 37):
The Large Hadron Collider's influence on Monza is a reality.
Go Rain! Go!

You are for real!?

Yes I am for real, in the sense that adding a bit of humour to this thread won't hurt. Have to take the weather as it is, rain or shine. No one in the world has the power to change it.
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Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:57 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 41):
Yes I am for real, in the sense that adding a bit of humour to this thread won't hurt

Seeing you are as biased as you are, I didn't even think you were joking.

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Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:03 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 38):
But all the ones you mentioned were much better drivers than Hamilton, at least from what's been seen from him so far

Were they really?
What have we seen from Lewis so far?
By most measures he is a relative newcomer to Formula 1, has anyone compared his first 30 odd races with the first 30 or so from any of those "heros"
MS won his first race in his 2nd season, granted '91 he only entered 6 races. He only won a single race in 1993 so by the time he had entered 38 races he had only won 2 races.
At 2/3 distance in his 2nd season LH has won 8 races(at least), in a sport where winning is everythng that says something.
Is Lewis talented?
Is he arrogant?
Does he have an ego?
The answer to all of those is undoubtedly, and I am not sure what sort of an F1 driver he would be were he lacking in any of those areas.
The kid is a very talented youngster and I think a large part of the antipathy from the establishment is based on a fear of how daunting a talent he might be with a little more experience behind him and a touch more maturity.

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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:25 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
Seeing you are as biased as you are, I didn't even think you were joking.

Not even allowed to joke about the Large Hadron Collider! Wow!

Where te heck is your sense of humour and what's wrong about me preferring one driver over the others? Having a woman on this board so interested in F1 (certainly not anything new as far as I am concerned) really seems to bug you, hey?

I would be curious to know how many GPs you have attended during the last few seasons and how many F1 drivers you have met in person?  Big grin
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:33 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 43):
MS won his first race in his 2nd season, granted '91 he only entered 6 races. He only won a single race in 1993 so by the time he had entered 38 races he had only won 2 races.

Exactly. Compare this with Kubica's stats.... they're more like MS. Hamilton was nurtured for a long long time. All the other drivers stated in slower teams.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 25):
Help for Heidfeld? The decision to go for the full-wets in Spa was heidfelds own decision not the teams, and a brilliant decision at that. Kubica could have done the same, but he didnt. And you don't seriously believe that the team f*cked up Kubica's pit stop just to help Heidfeld do you?

Maybe not exactly, but since the Canadian GP things are going downwards for the whole team. Looks like they are happy with what they achieved this season.

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Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:43 pm



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 45):
Maybe not exactly, but since the Canadian GP things are going downwards for the whole team. Looks like they are happy with what they achieved this season.

Their aim was to win, and they got it. But Kubica is still an outside chance for the championship. If they get their act together they could play an important role in the outcome of the championship.
 
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:49 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 40):
Well he's been more succesful after a year and a half then all those drivers were in their first year and a half and I still believe he is the best driver in Formula 1 currently.

But he hasn't won anything yet compared to the list. It's like Robinho saying he's above Pele. It just does not make sense since there isn't even a comparison yet. And yes, he might be one of the best currently, but IMO the level is not too good compared to the old days. The champioships are exciting, but not because they are all brilliant but rather because they all make mistakes.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 43):
By most measures he is a relative newcomer to Formula 1, has anyone compared his first 30 odd races with the first 30 or so from any of those "heros"

The fact that he is a newcomer alone means he can't be compared to MS or any other of the other champions. So far he's proved to have talent, but he did make silly mistakes that cost him last season. Probably due to lack of experience and a huge pressure on his back, but the fact remains that he still has a lot to prove. In equal conditions, Alonso proved IMO to be better than Hamilton. Hell, Kubica IMO has much more talent! Now that's a driver I would not mind having in Ferrari!

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 43):
The kid is a very talented youngster and I think a large part of the antipathy from the establishment is based on a fear of how daunting a talent he might be with a little more experience behind him and a touch more maturity.

He's talented, but that's it, and he's not even the most talented of the new guys' around.
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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:57 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 47):
Hell, Kubica IMO has much more talent! Now that's a driver I would not mind having in Ferrari!

No luck to 2011 at the earliest as Raikkonens contract has been extended. And somehow I think BMW will go all out to hang on to him.

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RE: F1 2008, Italian Grand Prix

Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:59 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 48):
No luck to 2011 at the earliest as Raikkonens contract has been extended. And somehow I think BMW will go all out to hang on to him.

And who can blame them! But if Kubica does not join Ferrari and Alonso does you'll see a sad person here  Sad
at least its almost sure that for 2009 we'll still be Alonso-free Big grin
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