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Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:21 pm

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ct...hives/2008/09/ray_boltz_comes.html


"Ray Boltz, who sold about 4.5 million records before retiring from Christian music a few years ago, came out of the closet Friday to announce that he's gay.

In an interview with the gay magazine The Washington Blade, Boltz said he came out to his family and some close friends in December 2004, but only now decided to go public with the news.

“I’d denied it ever since I was a kid," Boltz, 55, told the magazine. "I became a Christian, I thought that was the way to deal with this and I prayed hard and tried for 30-some years and then at the end, I was just going, ‘I’m still gay. I know I am.’ And I just got to the place where I couldn’t take it anymore … when I was going through all this darkness, I thought, ‘Just end this.’”


He and his wife of 33 years divorced earlier this year and are still close.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:05 pm



Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):

He and his wife of 33 years divorced earlier this year and are still close.

How sad no? I feel for his wife and all the people he might have "let down" for being in the closet. I feel for him that he had to go thru so many years of trial.

There is never any winners in situations like this. So sad. After all want that the point of Brokeback mountain?
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:06 pm

Never even heard of this guy.
Will is 'loyal' fans go out and burn his records & CDs like vigilantes?
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:08 pm



Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
He and his wife of 33 years divorced earlier this year and are still close.

If he knew he was gay since he was a kid why on earth did he get married!
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:09 pm



Quoting EICVD (Reply 3):
Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
He and his wife of 33 years divorced earlier this year and are still close.

If he knew he was gay since he was a kid why on earth did he get married!

Because sometimes people try and lie to themselves to the fullest extent possible in an attempt to make that lie truth. Never works though.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:24 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
There is never any winners in situations like this.

I agree! But a lot of people (including many self-hating gays) still dedicate their lives to stopping gayness and trying to shame and torture gays from the beginning of their lives to the end.

Bravo to this guy for braving against those forces, which appear to have caused him much pain.
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:25 pm



Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 4):
Because sometimes people try and lie to themselves to the fullest extent possible in an attempt to make that lie truth.

That is one reason. Societal pressures are another reason. Hell, the reasons are many. At least he found the strength to be true to himself.

Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 4):
Never works though.

Nope.

On a side note, he is bear-ish. I'd tap it  Smile
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:41 pm



Quoting EICVD (Reply 3):
If he knew he was gay since he was a kid why on earth did he get married!

The guy is 55 years old...times were MUCH different when he was younger compared to today. There are actually a few guys that I know at the bar I go to who are also in the mid-upper 50's who (to fit into society) had to live a lie for many years and be a heterosexual infront of everyone, one did live a double life though and would go for random hook-ups in the middle of the night or on business trips, etc. US culture has only started to really accept homosexuals in the last 2 decades or so compared to before when it was completely taboo. These guys I know all have ex-wives now and children (grown) and can socialize in a much more accepting environment compared to when they were young.

Also, think of what this guy puts out...CHRISTIAN MUSIC!! The people buying his product go to things like "JESUS FEST 2008" and are not very tolerant of the gay community.  angel 

I give this guy a lot of credit for doing this. He is starting an entire new life in his 50's, and potentially ruining his career...but he is doing it to be HIM. That takes a lot of guts.  praise 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 am

the eyes must be rolling in Franklin, Tennessee tonight!
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:59 am

That's too bad....I was just listening to one of his songs tonight on my ipod when I went for a walk. I had no idea he was going through that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzhFyNp3Ja8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB85VHP11kU
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:42 am



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
How sad no? I feel for his wife and all the people he might have "let down" for being in the closet. I feel for him that he had to go thru so many years of trial.

You know, there have been several famous marriages in history between gay men and women who, for whatever reason, were OK just having a best friend and companion for life, rather than a sex partner. And were OK with their husbands having "other interests."

Oscar Wilde is one example. His wife HAD to have known he was gay.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:21 am

Here are some of the comments from christianity.com, posted by a typical cross-section of brainless brainwashed assholes who can't think for themselves.

Ted Olsen

Quote:
What can be said? We are known by the fruit we bear. So, being a great musician and exalting the Lord is not enough. Repentance is necessary. We read about a man who committed sexual sin in 1 Corinthians-the church was to reject him until he repented. Likewise, Ray should be ignored but welcomed back whenever he truly repents.

NavyMom (whose kids are obviously straight and thus righteous - well done them!)

Quote:
I really hate to hear this news about Ray Boltz.Ray and his family need much prayer from the Christians from all over the world to get through this horrible news.So many folks are decieved in thinking that God created them to be homosexual which is totally false.God creates us with a free will to choose life through him or death through the lust of the flesh and the pride of life.This lifestyle is merely a choice and nothing more.I assume Ray has read the scriptures that states in Romans 1st chapter 32nd verse,Who knowing the judgement of God,that they which commit such things are worthy of death not only do the same,but have pleasure in them that do them.You can't ignore this verse of scripture.I am not here to judge Ray or anyone else who so called "comes out of the closet".That isn't my job to judge,but it's my job to tell those that choose this lifestyle that Jesus wants them to turn from their wicked ways and repent.

JO (only complete arseholes quote Leviticus.)

Quote:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

God condemns it. God would not make him this why as he claims.
he chooses to be this way.
It is a choice.

What a bunch of freaks.
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:42 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
You know, there have been several famous marriages in history between gay men and women who, for whatever reason, were OK just having a best friend and companion for life, rather than a sex partner. And were OK with their husbands having "other interests."

I've already known of two couples with coincidentally, two sons each (all who are straight), whose husbands were homosexuals. One of the two couples were still living together. How can this work?

The divorced couple's two sons were my friends; their dad was one of the first AIDS cases in Minnesota.
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:17 pm



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
On a side note, he is bear-ish. I'd tap it

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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:30 pm



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):
Here are some of the comments from christianity.com, posted by a typical cross-section of brainless brainwashed assholes who can't think for themselves.

Why are you spending any time on that site? Don't you have enough to complain about or are you looking for some sort of ammunition on the lines of "I was right about you fuckers all along! Assholes!"

Well. I hope all that righteous anger somehow improves your life.

It's worth remembering that the internet gave everyone a voice but it didn't guarantee that anyone would have anything worthwhile to say.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:25 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 12):
husbands were homosexuals. One of the two couples were still living together. How can this work?

Many women (and some men) are simply looking for companionship. Nothing more. Just someone to hang out with. Nothing wrong with that.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
On a side note, he is bear-ish. I'd tap it

Meh... He is attractive, but not enough for me to want to tap.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:04 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):

Meh... He is attractive, but not enough for me to want to tap.



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
DAY-EM! COUNT ME IN!!!

Hmm Pass..

Now, when is Ricky Martin going to come out?
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:24 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
Now, when is Ricky Martin going to come out?

You mean the openly Latino pop star?
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:29 pm



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
On a side note, he is bear-ish. I'd tap it

he he he....

Up for a three-way??  Wink

I'm sure I've seen him at The Eagle  Smile
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:44 pm

You people are out of your freakin' minds.

I mean, go ahead and have your fun, but I can't think of anything that'd kill a stiffy faster than looking down at some big dude's hairy back. The only thing worse than that'd be if he'd had two beers and a bologna sandwich an hour earlier.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:15 pm

Pretty much makes him a

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
On a side note, he is bear-ish. I'd tap it



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
DAY-EM! COUNT ME IN!!!

I shudder at the thought. He's old, fat, and has a turkey neck. I'd run if he even approached me!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
At least he found the strength to be true to himself.

I'm guessing he was 'just about' to be outted by some publication or a family member.... which is typically why people all of a sudden feel the great need to give and interview or a press conference.

It's hardly any noble gesture. But I'm sure the gay community will rally around his 'painful experience' and label him a true hero of gay rights...

He should have just made no explanation for his behavior...since none is needed.
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:15 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
You people are out of your freakin' minds.

Don't hate. Big grin Just goes to show, there is something for everyone. Chacun a son gout.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:29 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
I feel for his wife and all the people he might have "let down" for being in the closet.

Sounds like he and his ex-wife are still close.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):


On a side note, he is bear-ish. I'd tap it

Speaking for your ignorant straight audience, wouldn't the bear be doing the tapping?

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 9):
That's too bad....I was just listening to one of his songs tonight on my ipod when I went for a walk

Too bad how?

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):

Yes, these people are completely detached from reality in their bigoted thinking

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):

JO (only complete arseholes quote Leviticus.)

Especially when they do it with a mouthful of bacon
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:36 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Sounds like he and his ex-wife are still close.

Still.. he potentially lied to her for many years.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):

Speaking for your ignorant straight audience, wouldn't the bear be doing the tapping?

Shudder..
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:07 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
ouldn't the bear be doing the tapping?

As a bear...yes I would... Big grin

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 20):
I'm guessing he was 'just about' to be outted by some publication or a family member.... which is typically why people all of a sudden feel the great need to give and interview or a press conference.

Look at Clay Gaiken (or is it Gay Aiken?).

Regardless of how they are 'outed', being true to yourself is important to self worth. When society ,as a whole, does away with archaic rules and labeling, people could be true, till then you get situations where people feel the need to fit in roles to suit others and not themselves.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:57 pm



Quoting EICVD (Reply 3):
If he knew he was gay since he was a kid why on earth did he get married!



Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 4):
Because sometimes people try and lie to themselves to the fullest extent possible in an attempt to make that lie truth. Never works though.

Very true. And here in Ireland there is alot of it especially among Men around 30-40. Things were far from easy back when they were having to make these decisions. Family pressures, community pressures and ideas not to mention the Catholic churches grip on society. I know two Irish guys aged 38 and 42 who married and had kids , lived a lie for years and recently couldnt take it anymore and got divorced.
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:51 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Too bad how?

The sadness and devastation of a destroyed family unit that this event has caused, far outweighs the novelty of him being gay.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:19 am



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 46):

The sadness and devastation of a destroyed family unit that this event has caused, far outweighs the novelty of him being gay.

If he would not have been pressured by society to remain in the closet to begin with. Then the outcome for ALL these group of people might have been different, and most likely happier.

You are not advocating him to have continued his lie. Are you?
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:27 am



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):
Here are some of the comments from christianity.com, posted by a typical cross-section of brainless brainwashed assholes who can't think for themselves.

IMO those last few words is like the pot calling the kettle black

You would have more credibiility in simply stating you just hate Christians for some reason.. Because many of the comments I read there were supportive of the man, ppl essentially saying they'd pray for the guy, etc

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
Now, when is Ricky Martin going to come out?

Good question, if a supposed Christian came out Ricky's turn is next but is not like it would surprise anyone  Wink

Ricky Martin is overall a positive role model and a guy who works for the community, expresses himself well, and has sung some pretty good songs (since the 80s) which constrasts with the thuggish Puerto Rican artists and that awful reggeton music of today. Despite him being a homosexual or whatever I really like the guy and probably one of the few celebrities I would care to meet.
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:29 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 48):

Ricky Martin is overall a positive role model and a guy who works for the community, expresses himself well, and has sung some pretty good songs (since the 80s) which constrasts with the thuggish Puerto Rican artists and that awful reggeton music of today. .

And that is why, he should come out. We certainly need more positive role models in the gay community.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 48):
Despite him being a homosexual or whatever I really like the guy and probably one of the few celebrities I would care to meet.

Id like to meet you despite you are a Christian..  Yeah sure

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 48):
essentially saying they'd pray for the guy, etc

Praying for what? For him to be conquer his affliction? or praying for acceptance..
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:32 am



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 49):


Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 48):

Ricky Martin is overall a positive role model and a guy who works for the community, expresses himself well, and has sung some pretty good songs (since the 80s) which constrasts with the thuggish Puerto Rican artists and that awful reggeton music of today. .

And that is why, he should come out. We certainly need more positive role models in the gay community.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 48):
Despite him being a homosexual or whatever I really like the guy and probably one of the few celebrities I would care to meet.

Id like to meet you despite you are a Christian..  

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 48):
essentially saying they'd pray for the guy, etc

Praying for what? For him to be conquer his affliction? or praying for acceptance..

99, you really need to get over your persecution anger and get on with the job of being who you are. I think you've got a chip on your shoulder and you're asking the Cuban bruthah to knock it off. I dunno, if I was a gay guy looking for a friend I certainly wouldn't have any truck with angry people. Life's too freakin short, you know what I mean?

It looks as if you study the Book. Maybe the part where it says "Physician, heal thyself." would point you in the right direction.
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:36 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 50):
. I think you've got a chip on your shoulder and you're asking the Cuban bruthah to knock it off.

Honestly it was never my intention to sound confrontational. If it came out that way i apologize. I was just trying to keep the conversation going..
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:42 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 31):


Quoting Dougloid (Reply 50):
. I think you've got a chip on your shoulder and you're asking the Cuban bruthah to knock it off.

Honestly it was never my intention to sound confrontational. If it came out that way i apologize. I was just trying to keep the conversation going..

We're cool. I'm down with it and I was being a little grouchy myself.

Life IS too short.

After I posted to this thread I went out to meet a lady about some musical gear she had. Turns out her husband was a bass player in a local hair band called Roze, his name was Randy Van Hozen, he up and got cancer and died in March and he was younger than I am.

She said "Grab life by the horns, because you just don't know when it'll be taken from you."
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:27 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 31):
Honestly it was never my intention to sound confrontational. If it came out that way i apologize. I was just trying to keep the conversation going..



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 32):
We're cool. I'm down with it and I was being a little grouchy myself.

Life IS too short.

Now, give each other a hug  Smile  Wink
 
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RE: Christian Singer Ray Boltz Comes Out

Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:23 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 34):
Now, give each other a hug

Well, maybe not this
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But perhaps this  highfive 
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