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Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:26 pm

Hey guys, I was backing out of a parking spot last night in front of a club. The parking spot rows are very tight and I pulled out and bumped the bumper of a car that was parked in the row behind me. It was dark and I couldn't tell which car I hit. The security guard came up because she heard me bump into the car and asked for my drivers license and info. And then she started looking at the cars that were directly behind me because I said it was dark and I couldn't see which one I bumped into. The 3 cars in question ALL had scratches on their bumpers in several spots, and she "determined" that it was a red Honda Civic.

This parking lot is not lit by any means and it's way out in the far back lot. So she took her flashlight and went over the cars and then she said, oh, it's this one, I'm not really sure if it had any previous damage on it or not. It was a VERY VERY tiny scratch and there was nothing scratched on my car. So my question is, am I liable for this? She made a determination that it was that Honda, but the Honda had two other scratches on the back bumper.

Anyway....I gave my phone number, in case anyone needs to call me, but she just told me to go on. Which I did.

UAL

Edit: She didn't see it happen either. She just heard something.

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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
It was dark and I could tell



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
and I could see which one I bumped into

I'm confused because your thread title implies something different.

Which situation is what happened...

1) You couldn't tell which one you hit and she assumed it was the Civic??

OR

2) You could tell which one you hit and you know it wasn't the Civic but she is insisting it was??

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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:45 pm

Sorry, reread now....spelling corrected.

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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:48 pm



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
It was dark and I could tell which car I hit.

So what is the issue?

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
asked for my drivers license and info

I would have told her to F off.

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
It was a VERY VERY tiny scratch and there was nothing scratched on my car.

Once again, what is the issue?
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:52 pm



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
So my question is, am I liable for this?

Technically, yes, you would be held responsible for the cost of having the bumper repainted since there is a report that you hit his/her car. The owner may decide to get an estimate from a collision shop, and you would be responsible for the amount of that estimate. I would estimate that it will run around 350-400 bucks.

What will likely happen? Nothing.
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:55 pm

There is no "official report." In fact these security guards are hired by the gay clubs and just watch the entry doors and sometimes the parking lots. They are not law enforcement. All she did was write down my license and insurance.


But the thing is, this "Security Guard" didn't see it. She just went through the cars looking at their bumpers for damage and they ALL had damage on them. One was even rotted out....

So if I don't know which car it is, and she didn't see it, but made the determination, then the question still remains, am I liable for damage that occurred (If it did in fact occur) based on the security guards assumption as she flashed her flashlight on 3 different vehicles, all having damage on them?

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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:59 pm

Should have called the cops, let them make the determination, not some overzealous security guard
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:03 pm

Let's see...this was a security gaurd, not a sworn police officer? She certainly would not have gotten one bit of information from me.

Your vehicle had no damage and there was no damage on the vehicle(s) you bumped? The only thing you could see were some scratches on the bumper that may or may not have been there prior?

I'd say you don't have any issues.
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 8):
Was there any paint transfer onto YOUR car? That would make it easy...

No, there is none whatsoever. I checked that out this morning. Nothing.

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Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:19 pm

Was there any paint transfer onto YOUR car? That would make it easy...
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Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:28 pm

You made a major mistake by giving out you license and information to a rent-a-cop. Not only does the owner of the Civic get the opportunity to make you liable for previous damage, your personal identity is now jeopardized being that it's now in the hands of some company (and individuals) who can use it for personal/financial gain.
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:33 pm

Sounds to me like you shouldn't worry about it. Next time stop immediately and you'll be able to tell which vehicle it is easily.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 10):
your personal identity is now jeopardized being that it's now in the hands of some company (and individuals) who can use it for personal/financial gain.

Can you be a bit more dramatic please.  Yeah sure
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:51 pm



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
Should have called the cops, let them make the determination, not some overzealous security guard

It was on private property, in most states the police won't respond.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 10):
You made a major mistake by giving out you license and information to a rent-a-cop. Not only does the owner of the Civic get the opportunity to make you liable for previous damage, your personal identity is now jeopardized being that it's now in the hands of some company (and individuals) who can use it for personal/financial gain.

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By any chance did you get the name of the security guard? You might need it, to defend yourself if the owner of the Honda files a insurance claim.
 
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:51 am



Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 11):
Can you be a bit more dramatic please.

There is no need to be. I'm just stating the facts and sharing experiences of myself and people I know.
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:54 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 7):
Let's see...this was a security gaurd, not a sworn police officer? She certainly would not have gotten one bit of information from me.



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 10):
You made a major mistake by giving out you license and information to a rent-a-cop.

Maybe. But if he would have left, she would have had at least his license plate. She could have waited for the owner of the Honda, and then they could have reported him for leaving the scene, which would have made things much worse. Maybe not in his best interest to do this. Trust me, some rent-a-cop who has been told to kiss off would really go to the trouble making it a personal matter and would all but insist the Honda owner call the police.

So, to ensure this all doesn't happen, at this point I would have called the real Police, however, and explain to him/her that the rent-a-cop never did witness a thing. As far as them not coming, he could have claimed she was detaining him and then it becomes something more than a private parking lot fender bender (in this case, scratch, maybe).
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:20 pm



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):

Should have called the cops, let them make the determination, not some overzealous security guard

I agree, I would have called the proper authorities and not some silly security guard.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
It was on private property, in most states the police won't respond.

If they respond or not is one thing, but if you don't notify the real authorities such as the police or insurance company, wouldn't that constitute a hit and run?
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:32 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 15):
but if you don't notify the real authorities such as the police or insurance company, wouldn't that constitute a hit and run?

No, from what I've been taught is that if you bump into someone (and guys, this was a very light tap, I don't want to be overly dramatic about this event) you just leave your insurance information or contact info on the person's windshield in parking lot situations.

Door dings and things like this happen all the time, there was no major damage, and if everyone called the police for a door ding, then the police would be pretty busy.

Secondly, the scratch was smaller than the width of my finger and not as long as my pinky finger. The paint wasn't taken off nor was it dented. IF this went through my insurance, it would be silly because my deductible would cost more for me to pay than repairing something that could probably be buffed out with a good waxing.

I left my contact information with my phone number on their car, and I still haven't heard from them...


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Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:38 pm



Quoting Ual747 (Reply 16):
No, from what I've been taught is that if you bump into someone (and guys, this was a very light tap, I don't want to be overly dramatic about this event) you just leave your insurance information or contact info on the person's windshield in parking lot situations.

Things like this do vary from state to state, province to province I guess. The RCMP in BC just announced that they will not be responding to MVAs that they consider to have less then $1000 in damage, how they figure that out over the phone I don't know .... Big grin

But, we are supposed to at least exchange information with the other driver or call ICBC or the RCMP as soon as possible and report it if the other driver is not available. In regards to the security guard, at the most I would see them as a possible witness but in no way are they able to determine which car you hit unless they saw it.
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:44 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
But, we are supposed to at least exchange information with the other driver

I'm not going into a club to ask hundreds of people if they drive a Red Honda Civic. It's just impossible. Same thing at Malls, etc. you can't find those people.

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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:58 am



Quoting Ual747 (Reply 18):
I'm not going into a club to ask hundreds of people if they drive a Red Honda Civic. It's just impossible. Same thing at Malls, etc. you can't find those people.

Read my post again ...

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
But, we are supposed to at least exchange information with the other driver or call ICBC or the RCMP as soon as possible and report it if the other driver is not available.

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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:55 pm

Hope you had a good time at the club. Maybe next time you'll find a better parking spot.
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RE: Bumped Into A Car, Don't Know Which One..

Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:54 pm

Anytime you smash into a POS Honda drive off if you can, if you have a hitch on your Land Rover I suggest jacking it again for even better effect.

BTW: I cant believe you actually gave your info to some rent-a-cop.  rotfl 

Civic? I would have left.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:06 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
Maybe. But if he would have left, she would have had at least his license plate. She could have waited for the owner of the Honda, and then they could have reported him for leaving the scene, which would have made things much worse

 checkmark  Leaving the scene would have made it a hit and run and you would possibly get into a lot of trouble.

Quoting Ual747 (Reply 16):
Door dings and things like this happen all the time, there was no major damage, and if everyone called the police for a door ding, then the police would be pretty busy.

The right thing to do in this situation is to call the cops and ask them what you should do. That way if they are telling you to leave the scene you are safe to do so.

But with an eyewitness (even if she didn't see it happen - she heard you bumping into a car - that's enough) around you should be very careful just taking off.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:47 pm



Quoting Flexo (Reply 22):
The right thing to do in this situation is to call the cops and ask them what you should do. That way if they are telling you to leave the scene you are safe to do so.

What good will that do? Cops dont come to private property unless there has been injury or DUI.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:52 pm



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
What good will that do? Cops dont come to private property unless there has been injury or DUI.

They don't have to come by. You called them, you reported the accident, there is a file started. At the very least, there is a record of the accident being reported.
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:55 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 24):
They don't have to come by. You called them, you reported the accident, there is a file started. At the very least, there is a record of the accident being reported.

Thats pretty drastic for a fingernail scratch. Especially since he doesnt even know what car it was and if it was there before.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:01 pm



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
Thats pretty drastic for a fingernail scratch. Especially since he doesnt even know what car it was and if it was there before.

I agree it is, but someone sees the accident and tells the other guy who owns the car and they make a big stink out of it. At least if you call either the cops or insurance company at least there is a record and you've got a better chance if they try to blow things out of proportion. Which is why I would have took the security guards statement to use as witness, no more.
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:09 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
Which is why I would have took the security guards statement to use as witness, no more.

The problem is.... the security guard didn't 'see' it, but heard it. And then made the assumption of what car the OP hit in the pitch black dark. To me, that spells out hearsay and is not admissionable in a court of law.

The only major mistake the OP made was giving out his personal info to the security guard. Identity theft is certainly on the rise here in the U.S.
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:08 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 26):
I agree it is, but someone sees the accident and tells the other guy who owns the car and they make a big stink out of it. At least if you call either the cops or insurance company at least there is a record and you've got a better chance if they try to blow things out of proportion. Which is why I would have took the security guards statement to use as witness, no more.

What statement? The security guard didnt even see it happen.
 
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:47 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):
The problem is.... the security guard didn't 'see' it, but heard it.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 28):
What statement? The security guard didnt even see it happen.

I was using that as a scenario, not assuming that the security guard did see it. Sorry for the confusion.  Wink

So, let me try again ...

The only information I would have given/taken from the security guard is a statement if they saw it happen, no more, no less, and then given that to the proper authorities.
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 29):
The only information I would have given/taken from the security guard is a statement if they saw it happen, no more, no less, and then given that to the proper authorities.

Yes I agree if someone sees it that makes a difference.

In this particular scenario I would have driven off upon examining there was damage to the tune of 5 seconds with $8 touch up paint (if that). Since It was a Honda id deliberate jacking it once more with a hitch because the person is a douche in the first place.
 
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Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 30):
In this particular scenario I would have driven off upon examining there was damage to the tune of 5 seconds with $8 touch up paint (if that).

I can see that, but if someone did happen to see it and by chance, got your plate number you could get problems down the road even though their was minimal damage. Sorry, I just have a very guilty conscience and would get nervous in situations like that. Needless to say, I'd make a lousy gangster ....  Smile

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 30):
Since It was a Honda id deliberate jacking it once more with a hitch because the person is a douche in the first place.

Tsk, tsk .... such anger issues .....  Silly  Wink
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 29):
The only information I would have given/taken from the security guard is a statement if they saw it happen, no more, no less, and then given that to the proper authorities.

I thought you also said you gave the security guard your info...  scratchchin 
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:13 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 31):
I can see that, but if someone did happen to see it and by chance, got your plate number you could get problems down the road even though their was minimal damage. Sorry, I just have a very guilty conscience and would get nervous in situations like that. Needless to say, I'd make a lousy gangster ....

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Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:21 pm



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 28):
What statement? The security guard didnt even see it happen

That's really not the point.
The security guard clearly heard that an accident took place and was on the scene right away seeing you look at another car's bumper.
Taking off now will most certainly result in him calling the cops, reporting your license plate and the cops knowing you fled the scene of an (admittedly tiny) accident.

As you said, the damage is minor and the small associated costs are really not worth risking a hit and run.
 
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:09 pm



Quoting Flexo (Reply 34):
That's really not the point.
The security guard clearly heard that an accident took place and was on the scene right away seeing you look at another car's bumper.
Taking off now will most certainly result in him calling the cops, reporting your license plate and the cops knowing you fled the scene of an (admittedly tiny) accident.

I would suspect it would be different from state to state. The police really cant even write him a ticket in the first place.
 
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:46 pm



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 35):
Quoting Flexo (Reply 34):
That's really not the point.
The security guard clearly heard that an accident took place and was on the scene right away seeing you look at another car's bumper.
Taking off now will most certainly result in him calling the cops, reporting your license plate and the cops knowing you fled the scene of an (admittedly tiny) accident.

I would suspect it would be different from state to state. The police really cant even write him a ticket in the first place.

IIRC, leaving the scene of any accident is, at the very least, a misdemeanor punnishable by a fine regardless of the jurisdiction. The levels/degrees of punnishment might vary from state-to-state, but the general principle remains the same.

All it takes is just one person to be nearby the scene and that person getting the license plate number of the vehicle driving off.
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:47 pm

Well, in several (mostly south) European countries they wouldn't give a hoot if something like this happens. Hit the car in the back and front is very often the technique of parallel parking there...
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