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And Now The Infrastructure Goes.

Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:58 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/bu...iness/01muni.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Needless to say, suddenly local governments can't afford their public works projects. Let alone schools and healthcare.

We're screwed.
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RE: And Now The Infrastructure Goes.

Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:15 am



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Let alone schools and healthcare.

Nah, what do you worry about?... Corporate sponsorship is the answer. Just imagine schools sponsored by McDonalds and Fox network, and Hospitals brought to you courtesy of John & Feldman Legal consultant and Midwestern Undertakers.

There, problem solved. Big grin
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:39 am

Francoflier,

You do realize that having corporations performing virtually all the functions a government is supposed to perform is an integral characteristic in fascist governments.


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Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:10 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 3):
You do realize that having corporations performing virtually all the functions a government is supposed to perform is an integral characteristic in fascist governments.

You do realize I was joking?
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:32 am

Francoflier,

I had a feeling it was, but on this forum it's hard to tell...


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Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:11 pm



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 4):
but on this forum it's hard to tell...

I know what you mean...
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:50 pm

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Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:05 pm

"Cities, states and other local governments have been effectively shut out of the bond markets for the last two weeks"

That's great news. Enough with borrow and spend.
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:19 pm



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
imagine schools sponsored by McDonalds

If they can't even raise funds to overhaul their restaurants then I don't think they'll have enough to start sponsoring schools!  Wink

Things really are pretty grim. I'm in the construction trade in Phoenix (or rather I WAS, when there was a construction trade!) and it's depressing. I have been asked to do 3 bids recently and they're all highly price sensitive, something that never happened before. And if do get the work, I'm worried that I'll do it and not get paid.
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:21 pm

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):

Nah, what do you worry about?... Corporate sponsorship is the answer. Just imagine schools sponsored by McDonalds and Fox network, and Hospitals brought to you courtesy of John & Feldman Legal consultant and Midwestern Undertakers.

There, problem solved. Big grin

Laugh all you want, but thousands of underprivileged kids in Brazil are educated in quality schools such as those you mentioned, instead of being in shithole public schools.

Funny how people prefer political influence in their kids over organizations teaching the very people who will eventually work for them.

PS: And nevermind that most private schools are independent from businesses, yet it is quite often businesses who pay for their employees the tuition of their kids as "employee benefits."

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Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:24 pm

Call me old fashioned but....It seems every business large and small, governments, citizens are all connected to this network of credit like lifeblood. It hasn't been a month yet and -everyone- system wide is in immediate panic mode. That is not independence by any stretch. If the government and businesses cannot keep from spending their seed money before they even earn it....it really is "stick a fork in us" time.

The banks loan 10x what they have in actual deposits, businesses depend on immediate credit to service today's inventory, and citizens spend what they don't have on things they don't need.

It seems everyone is one "paycheck" away from living in the streets. Doesn't it make anyone wonder why there is not even one entity that can truly claim to be uneffected by this turmoil?
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:22 am



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Funny how people prefer political influence in their kids over organizations teaching the very people who will eventually work for them.

Well, I'm sorry, I don't know about Brazil, but anywhere else I've gone, government funded schools weren't propaganda machines.
Corporations, on the other hand, very much have their own interest at heart whenever they spend on anything, unless maybe for charity purposes (and still, ...tax breaks).
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:30 am



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7):
That's great news. Enough with borrow and spend.

I agree. It's time that we balance the budget, raise taxes so that we can actually provide the services that a First World government should provide without having to invent money, and fix things here so that we can keep people warm, watered, and fed and so that we can move people and goods.
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Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:00 pm



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
Well, I'm sorry, I don't know about Brazil, but anywhere else I've gone, government funded schools weren't propaganda machines.

I don't know about in France, but in the U.S. there are certain practices that stand out in sharp contrast to private schools. Whether it's simple things like the pledge of allegiance every morning, flags on every classrooms, ideas that originate from politicians and are passed down to schools to "shape the future citizen" (political correctness) or whatever you call it, to the very pro-government bias teachers will have. It's their employer after all, it's extremely difficult to fire government employees, and they are usually overpaid--having this kind of tendency:




Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
Corporations, on the other hand, very much have their own interest at heart whenever they spend on anything, unless maybe for charity purposes (and still, ...tax breaks).

And their own interest is not to have an intelligent and well rounded employee that will be able to make good decisions for them?

http://www.fb.org.br/Institucional/EN

http://www.embraer.com/english/conte.../press_releases_detalhe.asp?id=179

Regardless, most private schools aren't run or owned by corporations.
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RE: And Now The Infrastructure Goes.

Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:02 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

Better tax and spend than borrow and spend  checkmark 

Politicians who borrow money are just trying to avoid raising taxes.
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