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Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:55 pm

So as the title suggests - Does anybody here believe in Karma?

I dont wish to disrespect anyones belief's but personally I think it is a load of nonsense.

Look at the cases like Nazi war criminals living in nice houses in South America until they are 90 or the rapist here in England who won something like £7,000,000 on the lotto(He brought his ticket on day release from prison whilst he was serving his sentence for the crime).

So what do you think? Does anybody have any personal experience or stories to share about Karma?
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:52 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
I dont wish to disrespect anyones belief's but personally I think it is a load of nonsense.

That's kind of a nonsequitur-you say you don't want to disrespect people and then you go and say what they believe is crap.

I thought you British fellows invented tact or at least had developed it to a fine art.
Guess it's gone out of style in the Isle, what?

On the subject of karma.....the punishment for your bad acts comes along in your next life, where you're reduced to a bacterium that lives only in fermenting dog turds, or something like that.

So your examples are not exactly on point. I'm not sure I believe in the concept except it is a convenient frame of reference for when some person gets it in the neck who richly deserves his punishment. The Dragon Lady will digest all this and say "Karma's a bitch, isn't it?" To which I will reply "Well, karma is karma."

then of course there's Boy George.



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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:02 pm

You know the kind of guy that does nothing but bad things and then wonders why his life sucks? Well, that was me. Every time something good happened to me, something bad was always waiting around the corner. Karma. That’s when I realized I had to change. So I made a list of everything bad I’ve ever done, and – one by one – I’m gonna make up for all my mistakes. I’m just trying to be a better person. My name is MYT332.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:12 pm

There's a western saying that "What goes around comes around."

That's basically Karma. Doesn't work 100% of the time, but you reap what you sow...
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:12 pm

It is something out of logic. It makes sense.
Action/reaction.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:20 pm

Yes, in some ways, but generally I have a mix of pretty much everything non-mainstream in my beliefs, and as they change from day to day and depending on my mood, I think it's pretty futile trying to explain them.

Essentially though I believe in treating everyone and everything with dignity and respecting their equal right to walk the Earth as my own, no matter what their beliefs or viewpoints - although when it comes to extremists/murderers/rapists only intent on causing death and harm, then I consider them to have forefitted those rights, just as they took away the rights of their victims.


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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:28 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 1):
I thought you British fellows invented tact or at least had developed it to a fine art.
Guess it's gone out of style in the Isle, what?

Yes you are right. I could have worded it better.

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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:35 pm

Not as a governing force but people often get their comeuppance anyway, so you could say it's a natural phenomena.
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:59 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 6):
Yes you are right. I could have worded it better.

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Sorry If I offended anyone

I didn't mean to dump on you-just perhaps to point out that there are people who are Texans whether they know it or not.


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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:06 pm

I do.

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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:28 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 8):
I didn't mean to dump on you-just perhaps to point out that there are people who are Texans whether they know it or not.

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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:47 pm

You better believe it ,,, like the saying goes .. what comes around goes around. The way you conduct your life will catch up to you eventually. It will catch up to you either in the way people you did wrong too, take retribution ... or by just having to live with remorse or regret later on in life. No weight is heavier to carry that guilt , remorse or regret .

The older I get the more I realize how decisions when I was younger effect my life now. This is my version of Karma I guess.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:50 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 11):
You better believe it ,,, like the saying goes .. what comes around goes around. The way you conduct your life will catch up to you eventually. It will catch up to you either in the way people you did wrong too, take retribution ... or by just having to live with remorse or regret later on in life. No weight is heavier to carry that guilt , remorse or regret .

Really?

Take a look at the financial crisis that is currently gripping the world . You can be sure that most of the greedy and irresponsible bankers responsible for this mess are sipping away at a £1,000 bottle of wine in their multi-million pound/dollar home or living the high life on their private yacht in Monte Carlo surrounded by European supermodel's. And it is us your average joe's who have to work hard and pay for their mess.

I have heard this saying "what goes around comes around" all my life but Ive never seen it happen.

It would be great If there was some higher force that punished all the evil-doer's in the world but sadly IMO I think it's just wishful thinking.

[Edited 2008-10-07 14:08:16]
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:16 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 12):
all my life but Ive never seen it happen.

Money , Glamour and all the excesses of it will not make you happy. How many stars and rich people end up in rehab or worse ... dead.

Only those who earn it and fulfill themselves personaly will in the end feel some satisfaction that they lived a good life. All those who cheat , lie and hurt others will be damned to a life filled with fear and guilt. It is inevitable that at some point in there lives it will catch up . That is what I beleive .
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:35 pm

I'm a big believer in karma. If something is going really well, I know only to expect something to go wrong at some point. If something is going very wrong... I hope that something good will happen.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:17 pm

I do for sure. Has happened many times.

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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:42 pm

Not really sure if I am 100% on board with 'karma' as it is defined... but certainly I believe that good deeds are rewarded and we are punished in some form or another for the wrong doings we commit, especially when premeditated.

Prior to the birth of my daughter, there was a very good chance that she was going to be born prematurely and the prognosis was not good... it was devastating news. Each passing hour it seemed that our little girl wouldn't stay in just a bit longer and the hospital staff were prepared for a very early birth.

I began to do things that I believed were 'good in nature' and outside of my usual self, such as lending a bit of money to a friend (which I never do), calmly and gracefully allowing idiot drivers to cut me off (with a gentle wave and smile), engaging strangers in conversation... all sorts of things in the hope that doing good things would come back around quickly and do something positive for my little girl.

Within days, my girlfriend and baby both made a miraculous turn around, to the shock and surprise of the entire labour and delivery staff at the hospital... we were all just relieved that everything was okay. My daughter was born 100% healthy and happy at 37.3 weeks gestation and is an absolute joy.

So I definitely believe in doing the right thing... and I believe we are rewarded for the good things we do for others.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:40 am

My belief is in Jesus Christ but I still believe there is an element of karma involved. Not as much as others suggest but still a small bit exists.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:16 am

I am Buddhist and I am a big believer in Karma in my own way. Lord Buddha had taught about Karma more than 2,500 years ago. Now in Thailand where most of the people are Buddhist, I think, Karma is distorted into reward and punishment, heaven and hell, rich and poor etc. With my little and limited study in Buddhism, I found no clause about that in his teaching. Karma in Buddha's teaching is "action and reaction", cause and result. Everything has a cause of its own (Karma).

"What goes around, comes around." is Karma.

"You are what you eat." is Karma.

"Action and Reaction" is Karma.

You might question that why some bad guys are so rich but good guys suffer. Karma is no direct concern with money nor wealth. It mainly deals with your soul and spirit. If your action is good, good reaction will comes in some forms. I used to see one ultra-rich but greedy banker in Thailand walking in the airport with no one greeting him. Whilst one famous and gentle professor were at the airport and many people came to greet him and Wai him respectfully.

I met one banker about 10 years ago when there was big financial crisis in Thailand. His bank was taken over by the government but he still had billions of Baht in his safe. His face was very dull and he felt very despair while on the street I saw a vendor who sold just a 10-Baht garland. She smiled because she sold out of her garlands that meant she had enough money for her good meal.

That is Karma, in your soul.
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:56 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 2):
You know the kind of guy that does nothing but bad things and then wonders why his life sucks? Well, that was me. Every time something good happened to me, something bad was always waiting around the corner. Karma. That’s when I realized I had to change. So I made a list of everything bad I’ve ever done, and – one by one – I’m gonna make up for all my mistakes. I’m just trying to be a better person. My name is MYT332.

You mean your name is...Earl.

I guess no one caught that one, huh?
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:46 am



Quoting Elephantboy (Reply 18):
You might question that why some bad guys are so rich but good guys suffer. Karma is no direct concern with money nor wealth. It mainly deals with your soul and spirit.



Quoting Elephantboy (Reply 18):
That is Karma, in your soul.

Thanks Elephantboy. You make some great point's.

Quoting Elephantboy (Reply 18):
Now in Thailand where most of the people are Buddhist, I think, Karma is distorted into reward and punishment, heaven and hell, rich and poor etc.

I agree.
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:20 am



Quoting AnonymousInSAN (Reply 19):
You mean your name is...Earl.

I guess no one caught that one, huh?

Not one person no, thank god you did though! I took me a good few minutes to hunt down exactly what he says too! Quality show though. Big grin
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:32 am

... always been more of a Tikka Masala fan myself - Korma is just too mild  Silly
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:34 am



Quote:

You might question that why some bad guys are so rich but good guys suffer. Karma is no direct concern with money nor wealth. It mainly deals with your soul and spirit. If your action is good, good reaction will comes in some forms. I used to see one ultra-rich but greedy banker in Thailand walking in the airport with no one greeting him. Whilst one famous and gentle professor were at the airport and many people came to greet him and Wai him respectfully.

Thanks for posting that. I think it made my day to see that so well illustrated.

We do often see bad people being rewarded for evil deeds, & such, but there really is more to life than material gain (I'm saying this still being a die-hard materialist westerner, make no mistake).
Case in point, I had nice job elsewhere recently. But when faced with the threat of imminent lay-off (as happens often in the Airline industry  Sad ,) I shamelessly jumped ship, and found a job elsewhere. This new job is nice, and pays Very Well indeed. In fact, my wife is happier than I can recall her being, and for the first time in, well ever, I Own a house.


What I wouldn't give though, to be back in Texas, living in our old apartment. I even miss the forty minute drive out to Alliance every evening. And while I could theoretically do it (assuming a certain giant from DFW starts hiring A&Ps again) it would almost certainly result in divorce and possible estrangement from my daughter.

The point is that there are other things besides money. I had it all. Friends, decent employment, family, and a nice area to live in. And then I foolishly took a "better" deal.
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:03 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 22):
... always been more of a Tikka Masala fan myself - Korma is just too mild

You probably just have actually picked something that is actually hotter than a Korma for that to be funny! They are both equally as mild as the French army!
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:20 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 24):
You probably just have actually picked something that is actually hotter than a Korma for that to be funny! They are both equally as mild as the French army!

And you should probably have constructed that sentence better to help people understand what you're on about.

In any case, a masala can come in many forms; some of them mild, some of them hot, so  Silly
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:32 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 25):
And you should probably have constructed that sentence better to help people understand what you're on about.

The first 'just' was meant to be 'should'. The sentence was constructed fine except that bit.  Wink

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 25):
In any case, a masala can come in many forms; some of them mild, some of them hot, so

Bah! I've never had a hot tikka masala. It's a pansy British dish. To prove my point, have you ever seen JamoTCX eat a chicken tikka masala? No. Case proved! Big grin
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:47 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 26):
Bah! I've never had a hot tikka masala. It's a pansy British dish. To prove my point, have you ever seen JamoTCX eat a chicken tikka masala? No. Case proved! Big grin

Ive never seen jamo eat anything other than a vindaloo. The point we are discussing is that a masala is hotter than a korma, I fail to see how jamo never eating one proves your point either way?

Hop down to your nearest ASDA, and have a look at the indian ready meals. Korma is a mild, tikka masala a medium. There, case proven.
 
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:32 pm

It does work but not always  Smile
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:40 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 27):
Ive never seen jamo eat anything other than a vindaloo. The point we are discussing is that a masala is hotter than a korma,

The point being Vindaloo is hot where as Korma and Masala aren't... ever! Otherwise, he'd eat them!

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 27):
Korma is a mild, tikka masala a medium. There, case proven.

Who, according to ASDA? Ha! Ready meals hardly count.. Maybe if you're over 70 Chicken Tikka is considered spicy otherwise, on your way!
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RE: Anyone Here Believe In Karma?

Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:12 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
Look at the cases like Nazi war criminals living in nice houses in South America until they are 90 or the rapist here in England who won something like £7,000,000 on the lotto(He brought his ticket on day release from prison whilst he was serving his sentence for the crime).

Well, as with any existential base, it's never going to present a black and white cause-and-effect scenario. In my opinion, karma is more about adapting yourself to live a decent, moral life, and this in turn creating a positive force which then spreads to others through your interactions with the world around you. In doing this, as positive energy is spread outwards amongst the people you deal with, you are then creating a situation where they may be more positive towards others in their lives and thus creating a ripple effect. And of course, if you treat others well, they'll treat you well in response...it's less likely that someone will do something to hurt you if they like and respect you. And that becomes karma...it's not about being good because you want something good in return...it's about being good because it's good for the world around you.

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