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Ohio Voting Question

Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:08 pm

Strange question here, but November will be my first time voting in an Ohio election... In addition to figuring out this whole "paper voting" thing, one question that I'm curious about:

I know that I don't have to vote for every race on the ballot, however, it's unclear how that "No Vote" affects the tabulation.

If I vote for none of the candidates is my ballot included in the total votes for the race, or is the ballot not counted.

For example, right now I'm inclined to not vote for Obama or McCain, but I don't like McCain less than I don't like Obama. I don't know enough about any of the other canidates to feel comfortable voting for them either.

If a no-vote is counted in the tally for purposes of determining who received a majority of the votes cast then I will likely not vote in that race (but otherwise vote all of the races); If a no-vote is not counted in the tally I'll likely vote for McCain.

I.e. assuming 50 votes for each Obama and McCain if I vote for none, is the total number of votes cast 100 (leaving each candidate with 50% of the votes) or 101 (leaving each candidate with 49.5% of the votes)

At this point, I'm not concerned about voting for someone, it's voting against...

Ignoring the agruments about one vote not making a difference, I hope this question makes sense...

TIA,

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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:26 pm



Quoting Lincoln (Thread starter):
If I vote for none of the candidates is my ballot included in the total votes for the race, or is the ballot not counted.

Your ballot will have a ton of different races on it, everything from president to county dog-catcher, plus various propositions. You vote the races you choose to. If you don't check any of the boxes for a particular vote, it will not appear as part of the total number of votes cast. In other words, if we follow your example, the total votes cast would remain at 100 if you do not cast a vote for that particular post. But your vote will be counted where you made a choice.

Quoting Lincoln (Thread starter):
For example, right now I'm inclined to not vote for Obama or McCain, but I don't like McCain less than I don't like Obama. I don't know enough about any of the other canidates to feel comfortable voting for them either.

Welcome to the wonderful world of politics. Rarely will you vote for a candidate that really lights your fires, so to speak. Sometimes it's a choice between the lessor of two evils.

A year ago, I could never have seen myself voting for McCain, and had Hillary run against him, I might well have voted for her, depending on her final platform. But if I don't cast my vote, even if it's more against Obama rather than for McCain, I don't think I would have the right to complain if Obama wins and his policies put our country into the crapper, which I am convinced they will.

I strongly urge you to make your selection, hold your nose, and check one box or another.

BTW, Unless you absolutely see neither McCain or Obama as better than one another, don't vote for the numerous independant party candidates like Barr or Nader. It's a wasted vote.
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:43 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
BTW, Unless you absolutely see neither McCain or Obama as better than one another, don't vote for the numerous independant party candidates like Barr or Nader. It's a wasted vote.

The only wasted vote is the one that isn't made (or one that is made in jest). If you really believe that Bob Barr or Ralph Nader would make the best choice for president, then vote for them. I plan on doing so for US Representative, since the Republican candidate is unattractive and I refuse to vote for Charles Rangel.

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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:26 pm

Vote Totals equals votes cast, not uncast. So if you choose not to vote for a specific race or
measure then it has no effect on that total. Actually, I prefer people to do what you're doing
than to vote for someone or something they have no idea about (you could unknowingly be
voting for someone or something bad). The League of Women Voters usaually mail out a
lengthy "ballot" packet that explains and details what is on the ballot. I suggest you read it
and go to the polling station an informed voter.
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:11 am



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 3):
Actually, I prefer people to do what you're doing
than to vote for someone or something they have no idea about (you could unknowingly be
voting for someone or something bad). The League of Women Voters usaually mail out a
lengthy "ballot" packet that explains and details what is on the ballot. I suggest you read it
and go to the polling station an informed voter.

Well, then you are still taking someone elses words, and opinions for each candidate. You will have no way to know how accurately their packets reflect the candidate's actual position on each issue. The only sure way to feel like your vote for any candidate is worthy is to do research on each candidate's position yourself, then compare those positions with yours, on each issue. Most times you will not find a candidate that fully agrees with you on any perticular issue, but one candidate or the other will be closer to your views.

Quoting Lincoln (Thread starter):
At this point, I'm not concerned about voting for someone, it's voting against...

Actually, that is a position, too. It means you don't like either candidate, but you dislike candidate X more than candidate Y.

Remember this. Ohio will, most likely, have the most influence on selecting the next POTUS this year, just as it did in 2004. If you chose not to vote for a candidate, then you deminish your own voice, and increase the voices of those who should not be voting in Ohio.
 
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:06 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Well, then you are still taking someone elses words, and opinions for each candidate. You will have no way to know how accurately their packets reflect the candidate's actual position on each issue.

Actually, I think they put in what each candidate submits to them. It's pretty much an
informational guide and unbiased.
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:57 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
those who should not be voting in Ohio.

Who would that be?
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:41 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
I strongly urge you to make your selection, hold your nose, and check one box or another.

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Choosing to not vote as some kind of protest gets you nothing.

Take a slip of paper and write down 8-10 issues or qualities that really matter to you. Look at the candidate's positions, qualities, and behaviors. Give the candidate who agrees with you the most (even if it's just a little bit) 1 point for that issue. Do that for all your issues, and the candidate with the most points gets your vote.

I've never seen a situation where Person A or Person B didn't have some kind of edge over the other. Sometimes it's been a small difference, but that is still a difference.
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:00 pm



Quoting Rara (Reply 6):

Who would that be?

Convicted felons, foreigners, repeat voters, dead people, etc
 
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RE: Ohio Voting Question

Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:55 am



Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 7):
Take a slip of paper and write down 8-10 issues or qualities that really matter to you. Look at the candidate's positions, qualities, and behaviors. Give the candidate who agrees with you the most (even if it's just a little bit) 1 point for that issue. Do that for all your issues, and the candidate with the most points gets your vote.

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Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 8):
Quoting Rara (Reply 6):

Who would that be?

Convicted felons, foreigners, repeat voters, dead people, etc

Mickey Mouse (who was registered to vote in Florida), and the entire starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys (who were registered to vote in Nevada).

Well, at least Micky does live in Florida, but I thought all the Cowboys lived in Texas?

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