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Why Was The QM2 Docks Move To Brooklyn?

Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:18 pm

I have been wondering, why was the QM2 docks move from Manhattan to Brooklyn? I seen photos of the QM2 in Manhattan and it looks like it fit ok at the Manhattan docks. Also the QV and when it was still sailing to New York City, the QE2 still used the Manhattan dock. So why Carnival move this great ship out of the docks where a lot of people would like to see her?
 
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RE: Why Was The QM2 Docks Move To Brooklyn?

Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:47 pm

I went to see the 3 Cunard Queens when they were together in NYC first and last time.

Mary was docked in Brooklyn at that time because they did not have sufficient space for the 3 at the piers I believe. Lizzie and Vickie were berthed at the piers in the city.

What a memorable day (and night) it was!

Now for the times when Mary is in NyC harbour all by herself I don't know. Maybe they intend to move all the large ships to Brooklyn?
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RE: Why Was The QM2 Docks Move To Brooklyn?

Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:05 pm

Cunard Lines, which is owned by Carnival Cruises uses their docks in Brooklyn.

The passenger piers in Manhattan are not really capable of handling the mega cruise ships of today, they were built in the 1950’s to handle ships like the SS United States and the Queen Mary.

With today’s mega cruise ships, the logistics of moving so many passengers and re-provisioning the ships had caused grid lock around the mid town piers.

Because of this Carnival decided to build new passenger facilities on the Brooklyn waterfront, which is also easier to get to than the mid town piers.

Even Royal Caribbean Cruise lines and its wholly owned Celebrity Cruises abandoned New York City for Bayonne New Jersey for the same reasons. 2 years ago when we took a Celebrity Cruise to Bermuda, we sailed from Bayonne which was nice becasue they had long term parking there. Even driving from Connecticut, it was much easier than fighting the New York traffic if we had sailed from Manhattan.
 
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RE: Why Was The QM2 Docks Move To Brooklyn?

Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:50 am

Jetstar has hit the nail on the head. The docks in NYC are common use and do not allow the cruise lines that use them to do any renovations, improvements or upkeep. For a long time the start of your cruise left a whole lot to be desired as usually it was nothing more than a dock with little if any creature comforts.
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RE: Why Was The QM2 Docks Move To Brooklyn?

Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:57 pm

The QM2 stuck out into the river too far, it was interfering with river traffic. Also the Cruise industry is no longer just concentrate at the West Side Piers in Manhattan, they are now spread out amongst three facilities:

Brooklyn:
Carnival, Princess, Cunard

Cape Liberty, Bayonne New Jersey:
Royal Caribbean, Celebrity

West Side Piers Manhattan:
Norwegian Cruise lines, Crystal Cruises
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RE: Why Was The QM2 Docks Move To Brooklyn?

Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:18 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
What a memorable day (and night) it was!

I saw the video, it look like it was a great night! I was overseas when this event happened

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
The QM2 stuck out into the river too far, it was interfering with river
traffic.

I got to go see this monster of a ship. I reed the QM2 is so big that it needed to back up in to LA harbor.

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