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Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:42 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7695510.stm

Isn't this going a little over the top? The guy admitted that he was joking and its obvious he's no white supremacist. This is political correctness going too far.........
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:03 pm

Still he was working for a national company in uniform and it was a stupid thing to do. He has paid the price. It was totally wrong what he did.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:14 pm

In any other country, fireing him would have been over the top. But in Germany or Austria, you pretty much have it coming. Everyone here knows that Nazi symbols are where the fun stops, whether you like it or not.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:18 pm

Rara is right on, this is no laughing matter in this part of Europe. It still runs deep and hits a nerve, even with those who were not alive during the Holocaust (or even those whose PARENTS weren't alive). I travel Germany/Austria a lot and I remember from my very first trip, at age 8 or 9 or something along those lines, I was told to not even say the word Nazi in public...remember this is still somewhat fresh in memory...think of slavery in the US and how some people are still very, very bitter about it 150+ years later...this was just 60-70 years ago, less than half that time.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:27 pm

Good thing I wasn't on board his tram or I would have punched him in the face. Seriously.  ouch 
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:30 pm



Quoting Rara (Reply 2):
But in Germany or Austria, you pretty much have it coming. Everyone here knows that Nazi symbols are where the fun stops, whether you like it or not.

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Absolutely. There must be a definite line, which he clearly crossed.
 
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:09 pm



Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
This is political correctness going too far.........

No, it is not. Suggesting that this is political correctness is an insult to all Germans, Austrians and victims of the Nazis. What the tram driver did was misrepresent the company that operates Vienna's trams. Yelling "Sieg Heil!" as a joke and in uniform must have its consequences (even the use for educational and artistic purposes, like in the film "Der Untergang" or in satirical spoofs such as "Obersalzberg" in the TV show Switch Reloaded, is heavily restricted), which is why I also support a criminal prosecution of the man and hope he gets the maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. His "apology" won't change anything.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:27 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
hope he gets the maximum sentence of 10 years in prison

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This however then indeed would be a bit exaggerated. I expect that he will get a conditional prison sentence of a few months with a "test period". And he of course will never find a job with public transport again.
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That Vienna Public Transport only took action after the incident got reported in a Jewish newspaper is a bit strange, to put it mildly. Does this mean that nothing would have happened without that news report ?
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:34 pm



Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Isn't this going a little over the top? The guy admitted that he was joking and its obvious he's no white supremacist. This is political correctness going too far.........

Think of it as similar to joking that you have a bomb on a plane. It's just not a laughing matter in Germany and Austria.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:37 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
It's just not a laughing matter in Germany and Austria.

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It would not be a laughing matter in Switzerland either. Such a tram-driver would be shifted to either the technical services, the warehouse or the background-offices immediately, and get stronly reprimanded.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:44 pm

I would have beaten him up, seriously. He deserved it.
I am surprised nobody did.  Yeah sure
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:56 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
I would have beaten him up, seriously. He deserved it.
I am surprised nobody did.

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People apparently are against violence ! But according to the report, quite many apparently voiced their anger, and somebody out of them took the story to the right paper for the purpose.
 
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:07 pm

Here the link to the video
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http://video.vol.at/video/28571/----...--durchsage-in-wiener-stra--enbahn
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which shows that one man quite clearly not just was outraged but took name and licence number of that driver. And when seeing this video I might suppose that this driver even was seriously drunk.
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and here the full report in "Die Jüdische" ... (in German)
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http://www.juedische.at/TCgi/_v2/TCg...m_Kat=3&Param_RB=2&Param_Red=10624

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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:18 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
No, it is not. Suggesting that this is political correctness is an insult to all...

Of course it is political correctness. But it probably isn't political correctness gone too far.

It's only a bunch of reactionaries who have turned the word "political correctness" into something always negative--so they basically just use the term to mean something THEY disagree with...political correctness at root just means thinking about what you are saying or doing to remember that those who have not traditionally had a dominant voice in society have feelings and rights as well. This is exactly that: a textbook example.

In any case, the guy is an idiot.

Then again, Vienna still has all kinds of public places named after Karl Lueger...
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:25 pm

Good riddance!
Even if it was meant to be a joke, he crossed way over the line. People lose their jobs all the time for making a bad joke. Nazi salutes is no laughing matter, especially in Europe.

I find it interesting that is younger conservative here in the United States that have no concept of history that are the main one complaining about "political correctness".

Alberchico, not saying you fit that model but this is hardly "political correctness going too far".
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:28 pm

Can you get this one to quit for doing it as well.

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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:36 pm



Quoting Oa260 (Reply 1):
He has paid the price. It was totally wrong what he did.



Quoting SW733 (Reply 3):
Rara is right on, this is no laughing matter in this part of Europe



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
Absolutely. There must be a definite line, which he clearly crossed.



Quoting N229NW (Reply 13):
In any case, the guy is an idiot.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Nazi salutes is no laughing matter, especially in Europe.

I agree with all the, the guy is a moron, no doubt, but whenever these sort of things happen, I always wonder why the nazi salute and symbols are frobidden (rightfully) yet the Soviet or communist salute and symbols are not only legal, but accepted and followed by many people, and yet they represent the same if not more deaths than the swastika.
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:37 pm

This guy was really an idiot but...

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
I also support a criminal prosecution of the man and hope he gets the maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. His "apology" won't change anything.

c'mon, not even pedophiles gets so much (and they deserve a lot more!)...
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:38 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
yet the Soviet or communist salute and symbols are not only legal, but accepted and followed by many people, and yet they represent the same if not more deaths than the swastika.

It's not the number of deaths that is offensive, it's the reason why people were killed.
Hilter killed people based on race, disability and national origin. You know, things you are born with. Stalin killed people for political reasons. If you kissed his ass and complied with his sick ideology, you lived.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:52 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 19):
Not entirely ... Hitler also killed for political reasons, and Stalin also killed for no reason. And if he only killed for political reasons, how on earth is the political symbol he used for killing still legal today???
And you are right, the number is not important, yet 10 million seems to be acceptable, or at least overlooked. People can walk around with a Che guevara T-shirt and it's ok ... what did he represent? Try walking around with a Mussolini T-shirt and you'll make the headlines ...

I don't know what else to tell you.
Wearing a shirt boasting a failed ideology seems stupid to me.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:53 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
It's not the number of deaths that is offensive, it's the reason why people were killed.
Hilter killed people based on race, disability and national origin. You know, things you are born with. Stalin killed people for political reasons. If you kissed his ass and complied with his sick ideology, you lived.

Not entirely ... Hitler also killed for political reasons, and Stalin also killed for no reason. And if he only killed for political reasons, how on earth is the political symbol he used for killing still legal today???
And you are right, the number is not important, yet 10 million seems to be acceptable, or at least overlooked. People can walk around with a Che guevara T-shirt and it's ok ... what did he represent? Try walking around with a Mussolini T-shirt and you'll make the headlines ...
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:56 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
No, it is not. Suggesting that this is political correctness is an insult to all Germans, Austrians and victims of the Nazis. What the tram driver did was misrepresent the company that operates Vienna's trams. Yelling "Sieg Heil!" as a joke and in uniform must have its consequences (even the use for educational and artistic purposes, like in the film "Der Untergang" or in satirical spoofs such as "Obersalzberg" in the TV show Switch Reloaded, is heavily restricted), which is why I also support a criminal prosecution of the man and hope he gets the maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. His "apology" won't change anything.

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Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:11 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Wearing a shirt boasting a failed ideology seems stupid to me.

There we agree, but I still fail to understand how one is legal and ok whereas the other is forbidden and makes the news' headlines if someone even jokes about it.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:40 pm



Quoting N229NW (Reply 13):
Then again, Vienna still has all kinds of public places named after Karl Lueger...

I guess that's the reason why the Vienna mayor himself recently unveiled Che Guevara's sculpture in Donaupark... to provide a "healthy balance" of brown and red evil!?!?

http://www.austrianews.co.uk/2008/10...0/che-guevara-sculpture-in-vienna/

Peoples Party federal manager Norbert Walter labelled the sculpture as “curious” and “distasteful”. He recommended Viennas mayor to sleep in Che Guevara bedclothes, instead of supporting such kind of monuments.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Stalin killed people for political reasons. If you kissed his ass and complied with his sick ideology, you lived.

Sure... it was just THAT simple. What about Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Hoxha, Gottwald, Kims and many others? Such a shame you weren't around to enlighten those tens of millions killed with a magical survival trick.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:42 pm



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 23):
Sure... it was just THAT simple. What about Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Hoxha, Gottwald, Kims and many others? Such a shame you weren't around to enlighten those tens of millions killed with a magical survival trick.

All of it was horrible. Not defending any of the above. No need for you to get so bent out of shape.
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:23 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
It's not the number of deaths that is offensive, it's the reason why people were killed.
Hilter killed people based on race, disability and national origin. You know, things you are born with. Stalin killed people for political reasons. If you kissed his ass and complied with his sick ideology, you lived.

I'm struggling to see the difference on that one.

Bottom line: the guy was stupid to do what he did. I don't agree with him getting 10 years in jail, but the firing was absolutely, unequivocably, justified.

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Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:26 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 25):
I'm struggling to see the difference on that one.

Well I was only speculating and yes I agree that Stalin was horrible as well. I think I already mentioned that but somehow, another member interpreted that as me somehow praising Stalin.  Yeah sure

Quoting Mir (Reply 25):
the guy was stupid to do what he did. I don't agree with him getting 10 years in jail, but the firing was absolutely, unequivocably, justified.

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10 years is excessive. Firing him and possibly a fine should have been an order.
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:05 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 21):
What do you make of Mel Brooks' The Producers?

As I said before, the artistic use of such things is highly regulated, and I personally have nothing against that. For example, I like satirical spoofs of Hitler like in Obersalzberg (they make him look like a total idiot, those who know the show "Stromberg", on which the spoof is based, know what I mean), and I also like to watch well made movies on things that happened during the time of Nazis and involving the Nazis in and out of Germany, such as "Schindler's List" and "Der Untergang" (both are must see films).

What I do have a gripe against are single people who think they can joke around with such things. Almost three years ago here in Costa Rica, I found two guys at work, who decided to give themselves the Hitler Salute. After I yelled at one of them, the guy told me that it was a joke, and I told them that for us, this is NO joke. I complained to my boss, who escalated the matter to those guy's account manager, after finding their information on the company roster, but nothing happened, not even a reprimand against them.

I have nothing against people who use Nazi symbols for films, like in "The Producers", "Schindler's List" or "Der Untergang" to name a few examples (provided that their use is not exaggerated). My problem is with uneducated bastards such as the tram driver, or those two people who gave themselves the Hitler salute on the hallway, knowing that our callcentre being international and multicultural, there are Germans, Austrians and Jews working there as well. I have zero tolerance for such people.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:09 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Hilter killed people based on race, disability and national origin. You know, things you are born with. Stalin killed people for political reasons. If you kissed his ass and complied with his sick ideology, you lived.

So Stalin killing a bunch of Ukrainians through starvation (by taking away the food they harvested, no less) was strictly political, and had nothing to do with their "demographic"?
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:10 pm



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 28):
So Stalin killing a bunch of Ukrainians through starvation (by taking away the food they harvested, no less) was strictly political, and had nothing to do with their "demographic"?

See above.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:13 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
I think I already mentioned that but somehow, another member interpreted that as me somehow praising Stalin.

I wasn't accusing you of praising Stalin (who btw was an "amateur mass murderer" compared to e.g. Mao), but one would have to be blind not to see the double standards communists are getting compared to nazis, in Europe in particular.
Example? Remember the flak Haider got for praising Hitler's labor policies?
Here you have the mayor of Vienna calling the sculpture "a democratic bequest to Che Guevara" and the silence is deafening...
Now we can debate what is more outrageous whether Nazi Germany's labor policies or Che Guevara's legacy having something even remotely to do with promoting democracy.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:20 pm



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 30):
but one would have to be blind not to see the double standards communists are getting compared to nazis, in Europe in particular.

I think we are both saying the same thing.
Perhaps I should have prefaced reply #18 that I was only speculating or being devil's advocate for sake of conversation.
All you have mentioned were mass murderers and should not be hailed as Saints.
As far as Che Guevara goes, I need to read up more on his legacy before I make a comment about him. All I know about him is that his face has sure turned in to a fashion symbol. Big grin
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:25 pm



Quoting Rara (Reply 2):
In any other country, fireing him would have been over the top. But in Germany or Austria, you pretty much have it coming.

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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
the maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.

I agree with giving him a fine and firing him, but ten years? Not even murderers and pedophiles get this much in Europe.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
I might suppose that this driver even was seriously drunk.

Well, it did happen on a Saturday night.  Wink
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:41 pm



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 23):
I guess that's the reason why the Vienna mayor himself recently unveiled Che Guevara's sculpture in Donaupark... to provide a "healthy balance" of brown and red evil!?!?

... and in Argentina they also made a sculpture about him ad showed it all over Buenos Aires (cutting streets, creating a huge traffic chaos) as THE hero. What would happen if they did the same with a statue of Franco?

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 30):
but one would have to be blind not to see the double standards communists are getting compared to nazis, in Europe in particular.

Absolutely agree and that was my point in my first post. Tito killed tens of thousands of Italians and put them people in mass graves, many of which have not even been found yet. And it's all good  Sad
The Jewish community even got a country because of their suffering under the Nazi regime, what did Ukranians get? What did Italians get? As an Italian, I am outraged at how freely anyone can walk around with the the Hammer and the Sickle (is this the right term in english?) or the red star, yet anybody who even dares to say anything not negative of Mussolini gets bashed and is an animal.

Should this guy had been fired? probably, I can understand how sensitive this can be in Austria, but 10 years in prison? At the end of the day it was a joke. A bad one, but a joke after all. He's getting 10 years yet skinheads are running around free .... how is that possible? Because this case is made the headlines and is now an overreaction. And I am pretty sure that 90% of the people that post here have made similar jokes at some point, or have heard one and laughed a bit. I prefer having a bunch of people making jokes about it instead of them really believing in it.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:44 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
All I know about him is that his face has sure turned in to a fashion symbol.

It did and purely from the angle of form not substance its quite amazing how iconic the photo has become.
 
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:46 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
I agree with all the, the guy is a moron, no doubt, but whenever these sort of things happen, I always wonder why the nazi salute and symbols are frobidden (rightfully) yet the Soviet or communist salute and symbols are not only legal, but accepted and followed by many people, and yet they represent the same if not more deaths than the swastika.
Members of my family were persecuted, some killed, abnd those that weren't, were forced to leave their houses and forced to move. All this was done by the communists, Tito's army to be more specific, yet wearing the red star is ok ...



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 19):
Not entirely ... Hitler also killed for political reasons, and Stalin also killed for no reason. And if he only killed for political reasons, how on earth is the political symbol he used for killing still legal today???
And you are right, the number is not important, yet 10 million seems to be acceptable, or at least overlooked. People can walk around with a Che guevara T-shirt and it's ok ... what did he represent? Try walking around with a Mussolini T-shirt and you'll make the headlines ...

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Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:12 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
t's not the number of deaths that is offensive, it's the reason why people were killed.
Hilter killed people based on race, disability and national origin. You know, things you are born with. Stalin killed people for political reasons. If you kissed his ass and complied with his sick ideology, you lived.

You had to do a lot more than that.

'Fly, you're a man of many parts and I'll bet there are some good used bookstores in your town. If you have not done so already, pick up a copy of anything by Robert Conquest, particularly "The Great Terror", and then slog through Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" this winter. People got yanked off their toilet seats and out of their crummy walkup apartments for any reason, good reason or no reason at all. If you were a Chechen or a Volga German you were toast on racial grounds.
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:15 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 36):
You had to do a lo......

Scroll up and re-read my following post.
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:20 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
I would have punched him in the face. Seriously



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
I would have beaten him up, seriously

Never thought you are a violent lady.This guy was drunk and stupid,would you like to spend few months in prison for hitting him?
Ok i agree this was a stupid thing to do,but a prison term on top of loosing his job is way over.Also i would love for some western governments to be tougher on all those neonazis and skinheads.They will be the army for another Hitler in the future.
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:24 am



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 38):
Also i would love for some western governments to be tougher on all those neonazis and skinheads.

Out government is pretty tough on these types, thus they aren't an issue. You might want to take a look at how Russia handles skinheads.
They do nothing, thus have become the world's largest skinhead playground. Look in to this.
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
Out government is pretty tough on these types, thus they aren't an issue. You might want to take a look at how Russia handles skinheads.
They do nothing, thus have become the world's largest skinhead playground. Look in to this.

I agree with you it is more of a problem in Europe including Russia than the USA.
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Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:43 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
yet the Soviet or communist salute and symbols are not only legal, but accepted and followed by many people

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let's not forget that many of those "Soviet/Communist symbols" are the same or at least similar to symbols of legal non-communist social-democratic parties. Beside the point that today's Austria is based on the Staatsvertrag with the Soviet Union (now Russia as legal successor) is the guarantee-power. And many "Soviet symbols" were and are Russian symbols like the Czarist stars on the Kreml .
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 19):
Stalin also killed for no reason

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But Stalin WON the war and Hitler LOST the war

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 32):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
I might suppose that this driver even was seriously drunk.

Well, it did happen on a Saturday night. Wink

So that his obviously having been drunk was another reason to fire him I think ! I suppose that any superior in charge in Vienna must have the same impression from this video. Just imagine what the VBZ would do with a drunk tram-driver !  wave 
 
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:29 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
So that his obviously having been drunk was another reason to fire him I think !

being a public transport driver, being drunk at work ... now that is a much more serious and dangerous offence. And for that he should be punished and should be sentenced to whatever the law says for such cases.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
But Stalin WON the war and Hitler LOST the war

True, and a very important point.


About the symbology, through pm someone pointed out how aeroflot still shows the soviet symbol on their fleet .... could you imagine what would happen if IB used the falange symbol right beside the "onewerld" logo?? I use Spain as the example because they were not even in the war, so technically, they could do whatever they want with it ...

There are double standards regarding extremisms ... incredible .. only us humans can be that stuoid!
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:59 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 36):
You had to do a lo......

Scroll up and re-read my following post.

I did, and I stand coreectificated, as our Prez would say.

We're on the same page here.
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:00 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 42):
someone pointed out how aeroflot still shows the soviet symbol on their fleet .... could you imagine what would happen if IB used the falange symbol

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Here the state-flag of the NON-communist Republic of Austria :
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the symbol in question is older than 1917, and is also in use on the flags of Angola and Mocambique
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:25 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 42):
About the symbology, through pm someone pointed out how aeroflot still shows the soviet symbol on their fleet ....

I remember reading that Aeroflot did a poll and found that many people still liked the hammer and sickle. Even today in Russia many people wear t shirts with old symbols. Also, most importantly, the Soviet era lasted for almost 80 years, much longer than Nazi Germany. So for better or worse it is a part of Russian history........
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RE: Vienna Tram Operator Fired For Nazi Salute!

Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:23 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 42):
About the symbology, through pm someone pointed out how aeroflot still shows the soviet symbol on their fleet .... could you imagine what would happen if IB used the falange symbol right beside the "onewerld" logo??

Maybe because after 80 something years, it pretty much became part of their branding rather than a representation of an ideology. Pretty much like most of the Che Guevara's T-shirt are used by people to try to look "rebellious", even though they have no idea of politics, ideology whatsoever.

It's just "fashionable".

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