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Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:55 pm

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:32 am

Oh lord.

Of course, there's the issue of paper ballots and counting machines flipping those.
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:47 am

Attention WV residents:

If you want to vote for DEMOCRAT Barack H. Obama, please select the box to the left of ''REPUBLICAN John McCain".

If you want to vote for REPUBLICAN John McCain, please select the box to the left of "DEMOCRAT Barack H. Obama".

If you want to vote for a candidate not listed above, please find your car keys and drive back home.

Thank you for trying to vote, and we promise your vote will count...for someone.

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:52 am

Its like watching Man of the Year.... except, theres no Robin Williams and its not funny.
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:15 am



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
Its like watching Man of the Year.... except, theres no Robin Williams and its not funny.

Granted, "Man of the Year" wasn't all that funny either, but at least it had no effect on our democracy.

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:32 am

Since I can't edit due to the tag problem, I'll just add:

Thankfully, only one of the states that seem to be affected really matters in the election (Missouri). The others are firmly in the hands of one of the parties.

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:55 pm

I will never understand why people seem to want the voting process to become electronic. Do we really need instant results? I can wait a day.

One ballot, one person, a big "X" next to what you are voting for on a piece paper, sign it, and we're good. Keep it as a simple. Why complicate it, why spend a ton of money to fix something that ain't really broke (the stupid "hanging chad" thing is something that could have be easily rectified).

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:08 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 8):

One ballot, one person, a big "X" next to what you are voting for on a piece paper, sign it, and we're good.

I agree with you on everything except the 'signing' part. Having them sign it would detract from the anonymity of the vote; a protection for citizens built into the electoral process The paper ballot should only require the elector to mark an X with a pencil next to who they are voting for- K.I.S.S- Keep it Simple n Stupid. If it takes a bit longer to count the results, then so be it.
 
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:18 pm



Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 9):
I agree with you on everything except the 'signing' part. Having them sign it would detract from the anonymity of the vote; a protection for citizens built into the electoral process The paper ballot should only require the elector to mark an X with a pencil next to who they are voting for- K.I.S.S- Keep it Simple n Stupid. If it takes a bit longer to count the results, then so be it.

There must always be a way to track back votes to the actual voters, right now I sign in on a register to show that I voted and every paper ballot has a number assigned to it and you get to keep a matching stub with that number. That's fine with me.

The key thing is to keep it simple.

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:02 pm



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Looks like a fix may be in place already.

What 'fix' is that? Are you saying Republicans somehow manipulated these machines?
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:56 pm

[quote=EA CO AS,reply=9]Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Looks like a fix may be in place already.

What 'fix' is that? Are you saying Republicans somehow manipulated these machines?/quote]
I read it as he was stating that they already had a patch or fix for the bug in place on the machines. I didn't see the OP saying the machines were rigged.

I am hoping this doesn't devolve into a stupid scandal thread. My whole thing has always been that the electronic voting machines are just not necessary. I hated when everyone started jumping on the band wagon for getting them in place after the 2000 Bush/Gore election.

Of course I have seen pictures of old voting machines from the 50's and 60's so I guess that machines have been in use for a long time but where I live we still use (after our electronic Diebold machines were decertified) paper ballots. And I like the simple ease of marking my vote on the ballot and am OK with then handing it in for a machine to scan.

I guess you could rig it anywhere along the line really but when it comes down to it I much prefer a human element in voting, whether it be in counting (or recounting) the vote, or taking totals and communicating the results of your precinct to the Registrar, or what have you. Just don't consolidate everything into one uniform connected system.

As to the vote count in the up coming election I am sadly expecting BOTH sides to contest various counts in various areas.

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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 10):
I read it as he was stating that they already had a patch or fix for the bug in place on the machines. I didn't see the OP saying the machines were rigged.

I appreciate your input, but I see that as an unlikely explanation for the comment that "a fix is in place." None of the articles listed mention any correction to the problem, and to say 'a fix is in place' already as in 'a solution to the problem' would have required the OP to say something like "BUT a fix is in place."

So Larry - care to set the record straight? What was your intent?  Smile
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:38 pm

First off, I wasn't there, so I'm not going to trust some blog to believe this is even remotely true. Funny how it can't be duplicated, AT ALL. Believe it if you want. I don't.

However, that being said, I can't believe that the "straight party box" is even allowed. If you think about it, if one person runs in the primary for, lets say, State Senate, then that person deserves to be challenged by both the opposite party AND independents.

Now, when someone casts a "straight party vote," that person is NOT EVER casting a vote for a certain PERSON, rather a PARTY. One wins the right to run for an open position, not a party. Besides that, what about the independents? There is no "straight independent party" box, so they don't get this benefit. Theoretically, both the Democrat Candidate and Republican Candidate for, again, State Senate, will have two spots for potential votes, one by their name, one by the "party" box, but the independents only have one box.

So forgetting the claim that these machines are flipping votes, it's just plain wrong that it's an option to begin with. I can't believe it hasn't been challenged in court. But then again, we certain states allow people to claim their residence as a bench in a city owned park, then I guess anything goes.

How lazy are we to request this option??
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:07 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 10):
I read it as he was stating that they already had a patch or fix for the bug in place on the machines. I didn't see the OP saying the machines were rigged.

Exactly.
Notice how I made no reference to any political party, yet some are salivating for a political fight.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
So Larry - care to set the record straight? What was your intent?

A discussion about faulty voting equipment.
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:29 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
So Larry - care to set the record straight? What was your intent?

A discussion about faulty voting equipment.

Fine, I'll indulge you - yep, faulty equipment sucks!

And I'll ask again - what did you mean by your "a fix may be in place already" comment?  Smile
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RE: Voting Machines 'Fipping' Votes

Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:50 am



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
And I'll ask again - what did you mean by your "a fix may be in place already" comment?

When ever voter intent is compromised or tempered with, that will certainly raise questions of fraud. The raises suspicion of the benefiting candidate.
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