cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:56 pm

Earlier this year the body of Padre Pio was exhumed 40 years after his death in Italy and put on public display.

Exactly what is the point of this?

http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/20...6/04/st-padre-pios-incorrupt-body/
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
Daleaholic
Posts: 2653
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:38 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:03 pm

The religion obviously believes that he has some magic powers... Leave them to it I say. I'll get on with my own life.

/ / / Read the sig / / /
Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
 
ConcordeBoy
Posts: 16852
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:04 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:10 pm

Freaky.

That said, he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display

Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:10 pm

Your signature sort of contradicts you a bit there!

[Edited 2008-11-03 14:16:08]
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:15 pm



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

The article states that they got the boys at Madame Tusauds to make a mask for him. What is interesting there is no Stigmata which he had when he died on his forehead (or could have been his hand).
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 15214
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:21 pm

"Among his other gifts were perfume, bilocation, prophecy, conversion, reading of souls, and miraculous cures.

Perfume? Bilocation?
E pur si muove -Galileo
 
User avatar
LTU932
Posts: 13069
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:02 pm

I don't care if he's a saint or not, a public display like that is, if it has to be done, only done immediately after dying, not after 40 years since his burial and going through beatification and canonisation in the process.
 
Acheron
Posts: 1826
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:14 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:13 pm



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
Freaky.

That said, he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

I find the whole subject of preserved bodies of the religious quite fascinating but such a shame there aren't many good and recent pictures of them around.

(using url instead of img tags since some probably won't enjoy seeing said pictures)
Died in 1855.
[url]http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Maria_Crucificada_Paola_de_la_Rosa_incorrupta1.jpg[/url

Died in 1915
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/V._Juan_Maria_Riera2_539x404.jpg

Died in 303.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Hermion__Martir_Romano_303.jpg

Died in 1663
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Beata_Maria_Angela_Astorch_incorrupta2.jpg

Died in 1670
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Carlos_de_Sezze.jpg

Died in 303.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Agape_martir.jpg

Died in 305.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Silvan_Martir.jpg

Died in 1600.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/SantoralLatino/SanSAparicio5.jpg

Died in 1727
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Veronica_Giulini.jpg

Died in 1837.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Beata_Ana_Maria_Taigi.jpg

Died in 1660.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Vicent_Paul.jpg

Then you have the creepy relics like heads and hearts, etc.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Catalina_de_Siena_-cabeza.jpg
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:25 am



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

That said, he looks a bit like Joe Cocker when he played Woodstock!!!
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
User avatar
falstaff
Posts: 5565
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:17 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:14 pm

I have a friend who has worked in all parts of the cemetary business since 1968 and he has told me that he has dug up bodies that could be displayed that were buried 50 plus years ago. The reason he has to do that from time to time is that the families want the bodies moved. As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases. Also many times a family may buy an entire plot at anothert cemetery and need to move a body there. The bodies need new caskets and burial vaults so the bodies have to be removed from their caskets.

Paul has a wierd job and he has some crazy stories to tell, but after 40 years it is just like any other job.
My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:57 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
ACDC8
Posts: 7175
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:56 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:46 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
The reason he has to do that from time to time is that the families want the bodies moved. As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Interesting. I've never thought or heard of that happening, but I could understand that some families would do that.
A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:06 pm

Wasn't Winston Churchill buried in a Lead Coffin so, in theory, be intact?
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
TSS
Posts: 2479
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:33 pm



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 10):
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?

Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how recent the burial was and how many living relatives the deceased has.
Neighborhoods change, cemeteries and churches close, all sorts of things can happen.
The woods around here are full of abandoned cemeteries, and many of them are the last remaining vestiges of communities that have ceased to exist.

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 12):
Wasn't Winston Churchill buried in a Lead Coffin so, in theory, be intact?

Possibly. Although lead is poison to most creatures, I'm not sure if it has any particularly strong anti-microbial properties. A few ounces of mercury sloshing around in the coffin would be a much better preservative.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
2H4
Posts: 7960
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:11 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:13 pm



Quoting Acheron (Reply 7):

Amazing how well preserved those are, considering the age.

2H4
Intentionally Left Blank
 
User avatar
falstaff
Posts: 5565
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:17 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:36 pm



Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
The woods around here are full of abandoned cemeteries, and many of them are the last remaining vestiges of communities that have ceased to exist.

I grew up in a neighborhood in Suburban St. Louis that was built between 1979 and 1987. Just up the street, behind a few houses, was a small cemetery with 27 grave stones.

Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how recent the burial was and how many living relatives the deceased has.

My buddy tells me that mostly what happens is that family memebers are burried all over town or all over one cemetery and later on a family member buys a large plot and wants to move everyone in their family to it.

Another common reburial is in cases of children being dug up to be buried near their parents much later. Children that died in the 50-60 years ago are being dug up and put near or with their parents.

Woodmere Cemetery in Detroit opened in 1869 and is the oldest in the city. I think there have been over 2,000,000 people buried there, but the number there now is far less. Removing people from graves and taking them to a new cemetery is not new. Infact, the first 2000 graves at Woodmere were people removed from other cemeteries and that was way back in 1869.

There is a lot about the business most people would never know. My friend, Paul, who works in the business and has been a superintenant at various Detroit cemeteries, is a storehouse of knowlege. He even goes to conventions about cemeteries and crematoriums.


Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
Neighborhoods change, cemeteries and churches close, all sorts of things can happen.

Back in the early 1990s A bunch of people had to get moved out of a cemetery so the light rail line into STL could be built. In Denver the area around city hall was a cemetery and everyone there was moved when the hall was being built. In Hamtramack, Michigan there is a Jewish cemetery (last burial in 1955) that is completely surrounded by GM's Pol town assembly plant. When the neighborhood was torn down in the early eaights the cemetery stayed. You can not see it from anywhere outside the plant. On Jewish Holidays GM allowes family members and Rabbis in for services.

A few years ago a couple of my students got summer jobs at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Detroit digging up graves. They dug up graves by hand because many times the areas were tight with graves and you couldn't get equipment in there. Also a dozer with a shovel could damage remains. These guys would usually dig up a one or two a day. Then they would help out as the body was put into a new casket. They had some interesting tales to tell when they got back to school in September. A funny one was there was a guy stuck in the casket and they used a shovel, under the head, to pry him out, and his head popped off and rolled about twenty feet down a the hill until it came to rest against a tomb stone. Due to the nasty odors opening of caskets took place outside. These guys got paid $15 an hour, plus overtime, to dig. Not a bad paying job for a couple of high school students. I would have done it.
My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
 
kmh1956
Posts: 2854
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:08 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:43 pm



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
Amazing how well preserved those are, considering the age.

I thought the same thing. Actually, some of them look in better shape than some living folks I know...
'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
 
SmithAir747
Posts: 1658
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:30 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:09 am

How can hermetically sealed caskets and lead coffins preserve bodies?

I've read that sealing a casket (eg, the modern gasket-sealed metal caskets produced by Batesville, Aurora, and other companies) actually provides an anaerobic environment suitable for putrefaction of the body by anaerobic bacteria. That's why mausoleums often will not permit sealed caskets. Putrefaction is said to produce enough gas to pop open caskets and mausoleum crypts, and the putrefied remains become a corrosive fluid.

How then can these interesting cases of well-preserved bodies (like Padre Pio, or Winston Churchill in a lead coffin) happen?

SmithAir747
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
 
Dougloid
Posts: 7248
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:44 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:14 am



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 10):
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?

hey Falstaff, they need those dead folks in Detroit especially on election day.


 grumpy   grumpy   grumpy 
If you believe in coincidence, you haven't looked close enough-Joe Leaphorn
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:47 am



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16):
A funny one was there was a guy stuck in the casket and they used a shovel, under the head, to pry him out, and his head popped off and rolled about twenty feet down a the hill until it came to rest against a tomb stone.

That is gross!!!
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12361
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:58 am

Padre Pio has a 'cult' like following among some very dedicated and active Catholics. To display his body may have mystical and healing powers to some of them.
 
2H4
Posts: 7960
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:11 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:32 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
In Hamtramack, Michigan there is a Jewish cemetery (last burial in 1955) that is completely surrounded by GM's Pol town assembly plant.

Can you find it on Google Earth or Microsoft Virtual Earth "Bird's Eye" view?

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16):
Actually, some of them look in better shape than some living folks I know...

Well, I assume the deceased were non-smokers...  duck 

2H4
Intentionally Left Blank
 
EZEIZA
Posts: 4421
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:09 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:02 pm



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21):
Well, I assume the deceased were non-smokers...

and didn't eat Mcdonald's  Wink

I'm impressed by how well preserved some of these bodies are, especially the ones posted in reply 7 ...

rgds  Smile
Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:15 pm

Catherine Of Bologna here died 545 years ago!!!

That is mad!!!

http://gargles.net/the-incorruptibles/
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
 
Dougloid
Posts: 7248
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:44 am

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:32 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
"Among his other gifts were perfume, bilocation, prophecy, conversion, reading of souls, and miraculous cures.

Perfume? Bilocation?

Well, the perfume's obvious-the guy's been dead for forty years. The bilocation seems to mean he's in two places at one time.

And the look? Better living through chemistry, according to the usually reliable source, it's a facial mask made of silicone.

"On March 3, 2008 the body of Saint Pio was exhumed from his crypt, 40 years after his death, so that his remains could be prepared for display. A church statement described the body as being in "fair condition". Archbishop Domenico D'Ambrosio, papal legate to the shrine in San Giovanni Rotondo, stated "the top part of the skull is partly skeletal but the chin is perfect and the rest of the body is well preserved".[35] Archbishop D’Ambrosio also confirmed in a communiqué that “the stigmata are not visible.”[36] He further confirmed that formalin was injected into Padre Pio's body prior to burial to preserve it. He went on to say that St. Pio's hands "looked like they had just undergone a manicure". It was hoped that morticians would be able to restore the face so that it will be recognizable. However, due to its deterioration, his face was covered with a life-like silicone mask"
If you believe in coincidence, you haven't looked close enough-Joe Leaphorn
 
2H4
Posts: 7960
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:11 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:53 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 22):
and didn't eat Mcdonald's

I have a theory that regularly eating large amounts of McDonald's and Taco Bell partially embalms the body, thereby taking the effectiveness of post-mortem preservation to heretofore unheard of levels. If true, loyal customers of these restaurants can expect to remain virtually indistinguishable from their current state for thousands of years.

2H4
Intentionally Left Blank
 
cumulus
Posts: 1003
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 pm

RE: Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:33 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 25):
If true, loyal customers of these restaurants can expect to remain virtually indistinguishable from their current state for thousands of years.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests