MSYtristar
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NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:07 pm

Did anyone happen to catch the attendance for the NBA games in CLT and MEM last night? A little over 11,000 reported in CLT, and a little over 10,000 in MEM....just the 2nd home game for both teams. And honestly, judging by what I saw on NBA League Pass, if they that many people at those games, it'd be the surprise of the century.

Are Charlotte fans just not that interested in the NBA since the Hornets left? I know the city has supported teams well in the past, but I know the Bobcats haven't been as big of a hit in the city as the Hornets were from an attendance standpoint. As for MEM...its season ticket base has been declining for the past several years from what I have read...I'm not sure how many more years the NBA will give the city in order to get behind the team. The FedEx Forum (very nice venue) looks like a tomb during most home games.

What are your opinions?
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:13 pm

The Hornets came out and won back in 88 when they entered the league. The Bobcats are the Tampa Bay Rays of the NBA right now. They come in and stunk while other teams in the league (ie - D-backs, Rockies, etc.) who came in at the same time or later and WON.

As for the Memphis Grizzlies, they are like the Oakland A's of the NBA. They cycle through players like people cycle through underwear. Memphis has no players that they can attach to before they are traded or leave via free agency. I don't blame the fans after the Griz gave away Pau Gasol last year. If the fans don't have a long standing fan favorite (Ben Gordon in Chicago, Michael Redd in Milwaukee, Kobe in Los Angeles, etc) they won't follow the team.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:16 pm



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

Borderline cities (with not so great teams like Charlotte, Memphis, Atlanta,) will continue to see declines in attendance due to the economy, just like baseball did this past season. The NBA has some serious issues in public perception, which in turn is causing the causal fan to question the integrity of the league that will only get fixed when Stern and company is shown the door. That's just my  twocents 
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:21 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
see declines in attendance due to the economy, just like baseball did this past season.

Baseball suffered??? Thats why they broke an ALL TIME attendance record? I don't think baseball suffered this recently completed season, but it will next season with ticket price increases.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:27 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Borderline cities (with not so great teams like Charlotte, Memphis, Atlanta,) will continue to see declines in attendance due to the economy

Especially a city like Charlotte which is so heavily tied to banking.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:42 pm



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 3):

Baseball suffered??? Thats why they broke an ALL TIME attendance record? I

Not in 2008, http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct.../0,4670,BBOAttendanceDrop,00.html, it was down 1.1% and next year attendance will decline even more since the Mets and Yankees are moving into smaller parks. This past season in some teams like the D-Backs offered deeply discounted tickets, 2 for 1, in an effort to boost attendance.
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:44 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct.../0,4670,BBOAttendanceDrop,00.html,

Not Found

The requested URL /wires/2008Oct01/0,4670,BBOAttendanceDrop,00.html, was not found on this server.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:25 pm

That's weird the link didn't work, oh well try this one http://www.ldnews.com/sports/ci_10611276, I just found a more detailed story: http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.p...id=29:articles-a-opinion&Itemid=41

Here is an article regarding the NBA and it's attendance problems from last season:
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/58325

[Edited 2008-11-04 10:31:24]
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:36 pm

Here's the link I follow to track it...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Surprisingly, PHL is the lowest in the league right now....although MEM is not too far ahead.
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:49 pm



Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

The NBA has demonstrated that fan support isn't even enough to keep a team in a city (Seattle).

Personal relationships between Stern and rich investors and the unsustainable growth in player salaries and team payroll are problems which will require change. When teams have bad years (which happens to every team), attendance will drop (it may take a season or two) unless, perhaps, you're talking about NY or Boston. All it takes then is the owner to demand a new arena - - financed by the public - - and it's all over.

I think there should be laws dictating how much public financing can be put into arenas and stadiums.

The way it is now, every decade some number of teams will move from one city to another - not always with good reason.
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:59 pm

Marc Gasol, Pau's little brother looks like a star in the making. I caught the last 2 quarters of the Grizzlies game from League Pass last night. Fred Smith has a box suite at the FedEx Forum.  twocents 
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:17 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
next year attendance will decline even more since the Mets and Yankees are moving into smaller parks.

What do you mean? I was under the impression that, at least in the case of the Yankees, New Yankee Stadium is only slightly smaller (by a margin of 2000 or 3000) than the old Yankee Stadium. I don't know about the new Mets Stadium when compared to Shea Stadium so no judgement tehre.
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:18 pm



Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 9):
All it takes then is the owner to demand a new arena - - financed by the public - - and it's all over.

Yeah, it's really pathetic what the owners enjoy doing. Screw the fans. There's no reason why SEA of all places shouldn't have a team. It all boils down to greed and the almighty dollar.
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:26 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
Marc Gasol, Pau's little brother looks like a star in the making.

So did Pau, he just needed a real team and got that with the trade to the Lakers.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:43 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
New Yankee Stadium is only slightly smaller (by a margin of 2000 or 3000) than the old Yankee Stadium

Just looked it up, old is 57,500 and the new is 51, 800..

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
There's no reason why SEA of all places shouldn't have a team. It all boils down to greed and the almighty dollar.

 dollarsign  I wonder how many good free-agents will want to sign and play in OKC?
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:53 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
don't know about the new Mets Stadium when compared to Shea Stadium so no judgement tehre.

57,333 for the old Shea Stadium and 45,000 (approx.) for the new Citi Field.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:03 pm



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
Surprisingly, PHL is the lowest in the league right now

Thats wierd.. especially considering PHL made the playoffs last year... but attendance starting going down when Iverson left... hopefully, the team will do well with Brand and attendance will pick up.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:17 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
I wonder how many good free-agents will want to sign and play in OKC?

In the NBA I'd actually think OKC has a better shot of getting a big name than SEA, if not so much the money, as its very centerally located in the country and no flight will be more than maybe 3 hours. Imagine knowing you were going SEA-BOS and MIA once a year, those are some LOOOOONNNNNG flights compared to OKC.
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:09 pm

Rest assured, David Stern and Steve Ballmer will set to spiriting one of these teams (or Milwaukee) out of their current cities and off to Seattle sometime in the next few years. After Clay Bennett's path from Seattle to OKC was cleared and David Stern suddenly decided that a renovated Key Arena would be a perfectly acceptable home for an NBA team (in complete contrast with his earlier statements), it was pretty clear that the plan has always been to get Bennett his team in OKC and ship the first flagging franchise in sight off to Seattle to reward "41 years of loyalty to the NBA". Just wait and see...
 
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RE: NBA In Charlotte And Memphis

Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:20 pm



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 18):
will set to spiriting one of these teams (or Milwaukee)

Pretty hard to move a team like Milwaukee anywhere but somewhere in Wisconsin when you look at who the owner is. Sen. Herb Kohl, the founder of Kohl's Department stores, and majority owner of the Bucks. He wouldn't sell to Michael Jordan for fear that the team would be moved to North Carolina under Jordan's power. He's promised to keep the Bucks in Milwaukee no matter what it takes. He's donated nearly $100million to University of Wisconsin-Madison (his alum) for sports facilities, and I doubt he'd sell to anybody from out of town, unless his name was Mark Attanasio right now.
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