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BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:11 pm

http://bnpmemberslist.blogspot.com/

These scumbags deserve whatever they get from now, a few select quotes from some members since the "leak".

" I've just had a call, I'm on it to. I want my ******* member money back, like has been mentioned here, I could lose my ******* job. I'm bloody angry"

"**** me, the reds have the list now."

Cannot imagine the hatred which would be required to sign up with the BNP.

According to The Guardian, "One BNP member is listed as a Church of England vicar."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...08/nov/18/bnp-membership-list-leak

Good - thats all I can say.

Love how some of them say "has requested complete confidentiality"

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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:14 pm

Not a member of the BNP myself mind you, but is it (the BNP) not a recognised political party with members serving as MP's in local councils and the House of Commons? Why should anyone lose their jobs for being a member. It is no more illegal (distasteful, mabey to some, but certainly not illegal) to be a member of the BNP than to be a registered Tory or a member of the Labour Party.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:17 pm

Disgusting invasion of privacy.

If Britain thinks the BNP are a bunch of fools (which they are), they should let it be known in the voter's booth.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:25 pm

I don't agree with this. Political beliefs are individual and should be treated with privacy.

I especially don't agree with the topic starter who is clearly lacking both intelligence and the ability to live in a society where more than one political idea is around.

Alex, by you commenting in the way you have done, you've made yourself nothing other than a hypocrite.

Congratulations.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:28 pm



Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 1):
Not a member of the BNP myself mind you, but is it (the BNP) not a recognised political party with members serving as MP's in local councils and the House of Commons? Why should anyone lose their jobs for being a member.

Good point.

I thought that was pretty much the whole point of living in a democracy. That you were entilted to believe what you wanted to believe without living in fear of persecution.
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:30 pm



Quoting N867DA (Reply 2):
Disgusting invasion of privacy.

Similar to the loss of millions of benefits information earlier this year - except they weren't vicious racists.

Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 3):
I especially don't agree with the topic starter who is clearly lacking both intelligence and the ability to live in a society where more than one political idea is around.

Well, if bigoted racism is an accepted view of sorts - then you must think you live in a pretty different place from most people.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:32 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 4):
I thought that was pretty much the whole point of living in a democracy. That you were entilted to believe what you wanted to believe without living in fear of persecution.

Then why are they so afraid of it?

I didn't leak this information, The Guardian/Telegraph let the majority of the public know about it - I just happen to despise racist bigots, as most sane people should quite frankly.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:34 pm



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
I didn't leak this information, The Guardian/Telegraph let the majority of the public know about it - I just happen to despise racist bigots, as most sane people should quite frankly.

The laws that apply to you and me also apply to racists. If I have an expectation of privacy they do too. That they are racists is simply a minor detail. I 'despise racist bigots' as much as the next person but the law must be applied without considering what political views are championed by the group.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
Then why are they so afraid of it?

Probably because they know there will be backlash. Remember the BNP ballerina?
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:38 pm



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 5):
Well, if bigoted racism is an accepted view of sorts - then you must think you live in a pretty different place from most people.

So how about you share your details on here, right now.

Post your address, email address, phone number, occupation etc etc

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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:00 am



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
I just happen to despise racist bigots, as most sane people should quite frankly.

I despise them too.


But the question is in a free country such as Britain shouldn't these people be able to be a member of a party and believe what they want to believe without having their personal details shown to the whole world because most people disagree with them?
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:32 am

So what is the BNP? Anyone care to help a non-Brit out?
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:42 am



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 10):
So what is the BNP? Anyone care to help a non-Brit out?

British National Party.

Lead by Nick Grffin, a party that focuses on British nationals and the best possible for them. They believe on tight immigration laws and regulation on migrant workers.

A very right-wing ground, deemed "racist" by a large %age of the British population, probably due to the fact Nick Griffin was tried to racism on a couple (I think) of occasions in the past decade.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:18 am



Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 8):
So how about you share your details on here, right now.

Why? That doesn't make any sense - it seems it was the guardian/telegraph that leaked the information - that has nothing to do with me, I am not a bigoted racist. Why not share your information if you are so keen to get people doing the same?

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 9):
But the question is in a free country such as Britain shouldn't these people be able to be a member of a party and believe what they want to believe without having their personal details shown to the whole world because most people disagree with them?

It wasn't expected that this information was going to be published...

Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 11):
A very right-wing ground, deemed "racist" by a large %age of the British population, probably due to the fact Nick Griffin was tried to racism on a couple (I think) of occasions in the past decade.

Or deemed racist because a large majority of the members were members of the national front, and there is widespread documentation of extremely racist speeches and meetings at BNP conferences?
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:46 am



Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 11):
Lead by Nick Grffin, a party that focuses on British nationals and the best possible for them. They believe on tight immigration laws and regulation on migrant workers.

That's a nice way of putting it. They believe in 'voluntary repatriation' of recent immigrants. Luckily they have a few seats on councils here and there and one in the London assembly. Despicable racists that they are however, they still have the right to privacy just like anyone else.
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:24 pm



Quoting Davehammer (Reply 13):
Despicable racists that they are however, they still have the right to privacy just like anyone else.

Agreed - I was never saying that because they are racists, it means they should not have privacy.

I find the fact that they are allowed to continue with a "whites only" membership policy absolutely disgusting.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:10 pm

Radio DJ Rod Lucas axed after appearing on BNP membership list

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5189610.ece
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:28 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 9):
I despise them too.

A bit off topic but I just thought to myself isnt it strange that I said "I despise them too" when I actually know absolutely nothing about the BNP.


Im not saying I have any love for them but just realising to myself how conditioned we are by society and the media etc...to hate something that goes against the mainstream when a lot of people who hate them probably dont even know one of their policie's!


Just a thought.....
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:37 pm

Red scare anyone? Black listing...

How Orwellian.

I'm not familiar with this group...clearly they wouldn't cut the mustard in most modern societies judging by the few snippets of their views I've been able to read...but one has to ask, where does it end?

I shudder to think that membership lists from the RNC or DNC could be used to decide whose lives to ruin here in the states. And those parties are mainstream! But imagine if only one took over. I mean listen to the right wing and left wing nuts from the US on these boards...they would gladly have whole families murdered and tossed into mass graves if they appeared on the list of their hated party. Don't let them tell you otherwise! All it takes is having all the power. This is why I refuse to register with a political party. I am to be judged on character...not on who I vote for. A democracy should respect an individual's rights. EDIT ...for ALL individuals!

This BNP is obviously a nutty fringe group, much like communist or neo-nazi parties. Nevertheless, posting all of their information for all to see is a gross ethical violation. Even scumbags have a right to privacy.

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Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:58 pm



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 17):
Even scumbags have a right to privacy

Yeah maybe. But good for the guys that uncovered them and shamed them for us all to condemn.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:58 pm



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 17):
Black listing...

How Orwellian.



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 17):
I am to be judged on character...not on who I vote for. A democracy should respect an individual's rights. EDIT ...for ALL individuals!

Wow just found this on BBC.com. Government rules about being a member of the BNP-


Police and prison officers: Banned

Council and NHS employees: Not banned but would be disciplined if beliefs interfered with job

Union members: Under new laws BNP members could be expelled if judged to be incompatible with the union's beliefs

Armed forces personnel: Not explicitly banned but personnel are barred from political activity or demonstration


Seems the UK is not the democracy it makes out to be.  Wow!
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:10 pm

I think a few major issues are being missed here.

There is a notorious site, called Redwatch , which is linked to BNP members, which publishes details of who they hate (potentially almost unlimited in size then!), with also clear incitements to violence against them..
So BNP, how does it feel?

Then we have the BNP using an act of parliament in this case, which they are supposed to be against.
Incredibly, some even see this result of (yet another) internal BNP feud, as 'proof' they are living in a 'facist state'.
So a sense of irony is not a feature of the BNP either.

The BNP is best called a 'semi-legitimate' party, a large proportion of it's members have criminal records, usually for what the Americans call hate crimes .
Griffin himself is limited to where he goes, since holocaust deniers are unwelcome in some EU nations under their laws.

There is good reason why it is not appropriate for certain public servants to be BNP members, whatever they may say, they are a deeply racist group with as stated, some very undesirable people, in most cases within the upper echelons of the party.

So though it is not right of course, for peoples details to be, without permission, put on line.
But, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!
 
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:13 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 16):
to hate something that goes against the mainstream when a lot of people who hate them probably dont even know one of their policie's!

Some of their policies are quite sensible, mixed up with some that are just silly.

- Raising the speed limit on the motorway (times have changed, cars are now safer than when the 70mph limit was introduced. 56% of motorists drive at over 70mph on the motorway anyway).
- Deporting foreign criminals. (Should be done anyway. Nobody made a fuss when Gary Glitter was deported back to the UK, but we can't deport an Italian murderer because it might 'harm his human rights'?)
- Tighter laws on immigration (Should be happening anyway. Contrary to what Gordon may have you believe, not all of Britain is 'proud of its multicultural society')

But then you have the silly ones, that barely anybody would vote for:

- Banning homosexuality
- 'Advising' people of foreign origin to leave the country
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:40 pm

As much as I don't believe in the BNP or any of its policies, none of its members should be endangered by this list being published. Anyone that takes matters into their own hands is just as bad as them.

As for all of you saying Britain isn't a democracy because certain professions don't allow BNP members - that isn't about democracy. Certain jobs have certain rules - airline pilots aren't allowed to be drunk as it interferes with their job for example.

If someone really believes in the BNP's principles, how can they be effective as a policeman or in local government, where they are likely to discriminate against certain ethnicities? I can just about agree with them being allowed to believe what they want to, however much I disapprove of it. For them to be in a position where those beliefs could put people's lives at risk or impair the quality of others lives is a step too far.
 
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:43 pm

Well Griffin has worked hard over years, to tone down the real ethos of his party, I guess pretending to care about 'sensible issues' is part of this.
Don't be fooled though, look at those running it, their history and the groups the BNP formed out of.

Their stock in trade is to campaign in deprived areas, spinning stories, always false, about how others are getting a better deal over the 'natives'.
But if they win the odd council seat, they rarely last, one prospective new council member never took his seat after being nicked for breaking a glass bottle over a fellow members head!
Another walked out since she could not understand the 'big words' being used, like 'abstain'.

Others have been done for hoarding explosive materials and having kiddie porn.

At the end of the day, relationships I've had would be illegal if they won power, despite the members of the opposite sex concerned having been born and brought up in the UK.
As British as me.

So screw 'em, let them squirm, let's wait for the next phase of their internal in-fighting and maybe a split.
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:56 pm



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 19):
Seems the UK is not the democracy it makes out to be. Wow!

Isn't it a good thing that people in law enforcement/healthcare shouldn't be closet racists?

Quoting GDB (Reply 20):
But, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!

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Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 21):
But then you have the silly ones, that barely anybody would vote for:

- Banning homosexuality
- 'Advising' people of foreign origin to leave the country

Yes, add to that the "whites only membership rule" and the party should be shut down.

Quoting TIMC (Reply 23):
As much as I don't believe in the BNP or any of its policies, none of its members should be endangered by this list being published. Anyone that takes matters into their own hands is just as bad as them.

100% agreed.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:35 pm



Quoting TIMC (Reply 23):
If someone really believes in the BNP's principles, how can they be effective as a policeman or in local government, where they are likely to discriminate against certain ethnicities?



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 24):
Isn't it a good thing that people in law enforcement/healthcare shouldn't be closet racists?

Good points you both make.
 
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:54 pm

http://isohunt.com/release/150036/bnp-membership-list+txt

I've just downloaded the list.

No famliar names but a few close by !
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:56 pm

Or, enter your postcode (or a postcode near yours - I used a business postcode) and find your local friendly BNP member

http://www.localgibson.com/bnp/
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:14 pm



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 18):
Yeah maybe. But good for the guys that uncovered them and shamed them for us all to condemn.

Not really. Since the BNP apparently does similar to other groups with "Redwatch" or whatever, then the guys that uncoverd these folk are no better.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 19):
Wow just found this on BBC.com. Government rules about being a member of the BNP-


Police and prison officers: Banned

Council and NHS employees: Not banned but would be disciplined if beliefs interfered with job

Union members: Under new laws BNP members could be expelled if judged to be incompatible with the union's beliefs

Armed forces personnel: Not explicitly banned but personnel are barred from political activity or demonstration


Seems the UK is not the democracy it makes out to be.

Indeed. Usually in the States there are calls for one to resign after say membership in the KKK is exposed...but explicit bans...uh uh. Again though, calls for resignation are just as strong...

Now of course, can you compare the KKK to BNP...I view KKK as a legitimate terrorist organization given their history. I'm not aware of any direct acts of violence by BNP members.

Quoting TIMC (Reply 23):
As for all of you saying Britain isn't a democracy because certain professions don't allow BNP members - that isn't about democracy. Certain jobs have certain rules - airline pilots aren't allowed to be drunk as it interferes with their job for example.

Drinking affects job performance. How does membership in a political organization affect job performance? If there have been no previous problems with said employees before being "exposed" as BNP members, then what is suddenly so different? Nothing. Job performance is the same either way.

Quoting GDB (Reply 20):
There is a notorious site, called Redwatch , which is linked to BNP members, which publishes details of who they hate (potentially almost unlimited in size then!), with also clear incitements to violence against them..
So BNP, how does it feel?

And of course, one cannot forget the other side of the coin...thank you for pointing this out! Sounds like the BNP got a taste of its own medicine. You know what they say, treat others as you would like to be treated.

Nonetheless, I have a deep problem with sinking to their level in such a manner. I do wonder about the types that would join fringe groups, but so long as they don't try to hurt me, I'm not going to try to hurt them simply based on some of their far out beliefs.

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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:28 pm



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 12):
Why? That doesn't make any sense

Allow me to demonstrate for you, again.

In the intial post you broadcasted how these members details had been shared on the internet, you also made the remark:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Thread starter):
Love how some of them say "has requested complete confidentiality"

Which, to those of us that speak moderately good English, insinuates you approve of their details being shared around.

My subsequent post calling for your details was showing you how you'd like your details broadcast to anyone who cares to look.

As you declined like the liberal chicken you appear to be, I'm guessing you can assume it's not too nice.

Clear enough for you?
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:40 pm

Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 29):

As you declined like the liberal chicken you appear to be, I'm guessing you can assume it's not too nice.
Clear enough for you?

Sounds like a Nick Griffin Quote - you are obviously very confused in what you are trying to achieve and ultimately convinced you are right.

Yes i am happy that these people have had their data shared - because they are a bunch of nasties as far as I am concerned. Ultimately, if you looked you could quite easily find all of my personal details online. - I am not a racist, right wing scumbag, and unlike the people on that list, I am not afraid of people knowing who I am or where i live.

Says something if people are scared what people are going to think about their own opinions.

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Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:44 pm

I for one am glad exposed BNP members are losing their jobs. Its a great way to cut off income/revenue to a fascist organization.
 
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:52 pm

I also disagree with those that say that BNP members are simply people with different viewpoints. By joining a party, they are organized for political action, and its not just a case of having differing views. I think the public has a right to know if the police force becomes infested with fascist scum. And I think most parents would not want racists teaching their kids at school. If BNP members are so proud of their views, then they shouldn't be afraid of being exposed to the public and should defend their viewpoint. Nazi scum deserve to be driven into hiding, they represent an active threat to humanity as we all should know.
 
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:25 pm



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 28):
If there have been no previous problems with said employees before being "exposed" as BNP members, then what is suddenly so different? Nothing. Job performance is the same either way.

I'm a cop from Whateverland. I dislike people who aren't from Whateverland and I want all of them to leave. One day I get called to a car accident. One party is from Whateverland and the other is from Randomland. Will I be objective? What if I was an ambulance driver? Would I respond as quickly if the person's name sounded like he's from Randomland? There are no definitive answers to these questions. But it may be better to err on the side of caution.

This doesn't carry over to most other political ideologies because you can't tell if John Mohammed Iyer is Republican, Democratic, Liberal, Conservative, Labour or BNP by looking at him.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:13 am



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 30):
Sounds like a Nick Griffin Quote

No, but: "it's going to show people that we're not a bunch of skinhead morons, which is the left-wing media-created image" is.

So, go back to your "left-wing", stay there, and don't condone the infringement of people who have a political belief which is a little different to that of yours.

Yes, of course, you can find pretty much anything about anyone via the internet. Why on earth, however, is it acceptable for your contact details to be published in group mass?

It's due to this reckless anger towards people you deem to be racist that we have such a division in society. A lot of members within the BNP are "of age" who object to bad treatment that has come from Labour under Brown and Blair, a lot of them are family people who are on lower incomes and object to priority being given to immigrants.

Sticking up for your own countrymen isn't racist, it's patriotic.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:01 am



Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 34):
Sticking up for your own countrymen isn't racist, it's patriotic.

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An equivilent to the BNP in the USA would probably be popular.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to put a St George's flag outside my house? Why is part of my local Tesco dedicated to Polish groceries? Why is there even any form of discussion about Sharia law being adopted in the UK?

This is Britain. I don't mind immigrants coming here, but the least they can do is try to adapt to the 'British' way of life, and perhaps learn a few words of English. If I can go to Dubai and respect their way of life, why shouldn't people that come here respect ours?

Now if that's deemed racist, then it's just a shame how intolerant the British people have become towards their own countrymen.
 
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:07 am



Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 34):
Sticking up for your own countrymen isn't racist, it's patriotic.

That's not quite what the BNP does though....is it? In theory, anyone with a passport that says United Kingdom on it is your fellow countryman. The BNP seems to endorse forced "repatriation" -- forcing people who have British passports --your fellow countrymen-- to give it up and move to a country they may never have lived in.

Is that patriotic?

Publishing the list is childish but you don't have to defend the BNP's policies to point out that their privacy has been violated.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:18 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 36):
Publishing the list is childish but you don't have to defend the BNP's policies to point out that their privacy has been violated.

I don't defend their policies at all. If I was a supporter you'd see my name on that list, as it happens I'm not a BNP supporter, equally I'm not liberal and don't totally disagree with them.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 36):
In theory, anyone with a passport that says United Kingdom on it is your fellow countryman

A vast majority of low paid migrant workers don't posess a UK passport, but one from their home country. We have the EU to thank for that, you can work anywhere in Europe on a passport issued by (most) European members.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 35):
This is Britain. I don't mind immigrants coming here, but the least they can do is try to adapt to the 'British' way of life, and perhaps learn a few words of English. If I can go to Dubai and respect their way of life, why shouldn't people that come here respect ours?

I agree unreservedly with you.

In a town local to me, for instance, the Christmas lights have just gone up over the parade. Only for the second year in a row, there isn't a "Happy Christmas" light, as it's "not inclusive". It's outrageous that we have to adapt our way of life to make others feel welcome, as you pointed out if you went to Dubai you'd live how they do. If I moved to France, I'd learn the language.

Moreover, and something that really annoys me: there's no "Happy Christmas" light, but there is a "Happy Diwali" light.

A lot of this discussion is what the modern BNP stand for, against the draconian image that they are still haunted by. It's sad that political correctness has to play so much havoc with freedom of speech.
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RE: BNP Membership List Leaked Onto Internet

Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:46 am



Quoting GDB (Reply 20):
There is a notorious site, called Redwatch , which is linked to BNP members, which publishes details of who they hate (potentially almost unlimited in size then!), with also clear incitements to violence against them..
So BNP, how does it feel?

It's sad that people are stooping to their pathetic level, though. However, I must admit to feeling a little Schadenfreude...

Quoting GDB (Reply 20):
Then we have the BNP using an act of parliament in this case, which they are supposed to be against.

Let's just clarify: The BNP information was barred from being made public by the "Human Rights Act" that the BNP (along with a bunch of moronic tabloid rags) spend all their time rubbishing and blaming for why immigrants have to be treated as...gasp...people. So it is truly funny to find them seeking protection under the same act....oh the irony...

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Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 35):
Why is part of my local Tesco dedicated to Polish groceries?

Oh you poor oppressed man!!! How can you go on living?!

The answer by the way: because clearly there is a market for these groceries! Why don't you look on the bright side and try some new food?

Or do you want your high street cleared of all those invasive foreign Indian restaurants and Chinese restaurants, to be replaced by places that serve only beans on toast?
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Quoting N867DA (Reply 33):
I'm a cop from Whateverland. I dislike people who aren't from Whateverland and I want all of them to leave. One day I get called to a car accident. One party is from Whateverland and the other is from Randomland. Will I be objective? What if I was an ambulance driver? Would I respond as quickly if the person's name sounded like he's from Randomland? There are no definitive answers to these questions. But it may be better to err on the side of caution.

This doesn't carry over to most other political ideologies because you can't tell if John Mohammed Iyer is Republican, Democratic, Liberal, Conservative, Labour or BNP by looking at him.

Well that's nice, but my quote said "if there have been no previous problems". Chances are if a cop has been on the beat for years and has never taken his political beliefs with him on the job, then there's still no problem. Of course it's only fair that when such a happenstance is revealed, that his record be looked at to ensure that he hasn't breached any codes of ethics. But just tossing him opens up a can of worms. Next thing you know you can get fired if you have an "Obama" or "McCain" bumper sticker. I've actually heard such a disturbing story where an employer, distraught over the alleged Obama tax plan determined who to lay off by going out into the parking lot for Obama stickers...not by looking at work performance, pay, etc. That employer is scum...and it would be my hope that such an idiotic individual gets blackballed for doing something like that.

I would believe it too...look at the way some Americans on these boards act.

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Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:06 am

Name and shame. There is no room for racism in the UK. Why are they so worried about being named?? Maybe because there is something wrong with their racist views?

Anyone that defends them should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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Quoting ACFA (Reply 31):
I for one am glad exposed BNP members are losing their jobs. Its a great way to cut off income/revenue to a fascist organization.

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Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 34):
Sticking up for your own countrymen isn't racist, it's patriotic.

I agree totally. But that isn't what the BNP is totally about. Extreme members linked to beatings, stabbings plotting to terrorise ethnic minorities.

Nick Griffin has shown in the past that he is an ignorant pig and has no interest in letting "people of colour" live in the UK, add that to the fact that its a BNP rule that black/asian/chinese people cannot be a member of the party (whites only). So if you think that is patriotic and normal for a Brit to agree with, then you have a real twisted view of things.

I happily embrace many political views, but not extreme racism and borderline fascism. You can call me a "liberal chicken" all that you want.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:44 am



Quoting N229NW (Reply 38):
Why don't you look on the bright side and try some new food?

I'd rather eat food from a tin that I can actually read the label of, thanks. I learnt Spanish specifically because I visit Spain a lot on holiday. If you're moving to another country to live, the least somebody should do is learn the language. Failing that, at least learn a little about the culture of that country, and respect it.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 41):
But that isn't what the BNP is totally about. Extreme members linked to beatings, stabbings plotting to terrorise ethnic minorities.

I'm not disputing it, but I'd be interested to see a recent example of a BNP member beating or stabbing an ethnic 'minority'.

Many people seem to think that racism is a one way street, and that it's only white people against 'minorities' where racism occurs. I spent a lot of time in my early teenage years in parts of South London, and often heard racist 'abuse' from the black majority towards white people (myself included). And it's funny how the terrorist attacks on London and Glasgow are never referred to as racism, because that's ultimately what it is. There is far more racially motivated physical abuse against white people than the other way round.
 
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:22 pm



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 42):
Failing that, at least learn a little about the culture of that country, and respect it.

 checkmark  None of us are disputing that - its only fair.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 42):
I'm not disputing it, but I'd be interested to see a recent example of a BNP member beating or stabbing an ethnic 'minority'.

http://www.zen26144.zen.co.uk/resour...BNP%20is%20a%20fascist%20party.pdf

Read that - some interesting information about the oik-membership of BNP.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 42):
There is far more racially motivated physical abuse against white people than the other way round.

Have you got any physical evidence to prove that? Maybe in some contained areas, but on the whole i wouldn't say that is completely true.
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
Anyone that defends them should be ashamed of themselves.

Who's defending them? Last I checked, witchhunts were a tactic adopted by the BNP to help foster violence against people. Why stoop to their level?

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Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:40 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
Why are they so worried about being named??

Maybe because as well as there being right wing nut jobs from the BNP there are certainly a lot of left wing nut jobs out there too who would (and have, I understand threatend some of these BNP members with physical harm following the release of this list).

Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
Anyone that defends them should be ashamed of themselves.

Just because someone supports the BNP does not automatically mean they are racist scum. Maybe misguided but not scum. Take for example a sweet 90 year old lady. You know the type. "I remember back in my day when everyone knew everyone and it was all English people living in my town, Winston was Prime Minister and we did not have all these foreigners coming over here Blah Blah Blah etc...."

Now potentially she could have liberal nut jobs putting bricks through her window and terrorizing her.


Of course the BNP has violent nazi types in it I just think its rather short-sighted to cast everyone who is a member of the BNP as a racist nazi who deserves whatevers coming to them.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 44):
Who's defending them? Last I checked, witchhunts were a tactic adopted by the BNP to help foster violence against people. Why stoop to their level?

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Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:21 pm



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 43):
Have you got any physical evidence to prove that? Maybe in some contained areas, but on the whole i wouldn't say that is completely true.

I could probably find some given the time, but when was the last time a BNP member launched a racially motivated attack that killed over 50 people? Terrorist attacks tend to fall under extremism, but it's still racism. Having some Al Qaeda nutter talking about how the West is evil just seems normal, but if a BNP member went on air and announced that all Asians are evil, he'd get bricks through his window.
 
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:27 pm



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 35):
If I can go to Dubai and respect their way of life, why shouldn't people that come here respect ours?

I dont see how having a polish food section in your local grocery store is disrespecting your way of life... If you dont like Polish food dont go the Polish section.

Should I be pissed of when I see a fish and chips place in toronto? or Irish pubs in every corner? No, because I am not an intolerant bigot.
 
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:45 pm



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 35):
Why is part of my local Tesco dedicated to Polish groceries?

Should other countries ban British ex-pat shops? Believe it or not, Brits abroad have cravings for Chocolate Digestives and so on...

Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 34):
Sticking up for your own countrymen isn't racist, it's patriotic.

Are the BNP really 'sticking up for their countrymen? I don't see any part of their agenda which I feel represents me as a white British male. I'd rather value people based on their contribution to the community they live in than on ethnic lines.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 35):
This is Britain. I don't mind immigrants coming here, but the least they can do is try to adapt to the 'British' way of life, and perhaps learn a few words of English.

Many of them do. Some are even rather more eloquent in English than some white British people. I'm all for immigrants learning English and getting involved in communities, but I think there's some pretty sinister stereotyping being put around that makes you believe that they're a bunch of people

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 21):
Contrary to what Gordon may have you believe, not all of Britain is 'proud of its multicultural society

Britain is a multicultural society, and has been for centuries. Impossible not to be, really, as an island (seafaring) state dependent for its growth on international links, and as a united kingdom too!

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 19):
Police and prison officers: Banned

Unsurprising, though. Supporting the BNP is an official endorsement of a party whose primary aim is discrimination and whose links to violent activity are pretty evident; they're not really suitable qualities for someone who has to exercise fair judgement whilst working to maintain a peaceful society.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 19):
Union members: Under new laws BNP members could be expelled if judged to be incompatible with the union's beliefs

I don't know whether the BNP are anti-union or not. Anyone know?

Quoting JoshSixtySeven (Reply 11):
Lead by Nick Grffin, a party that focuses on British nationals and the best possible for them.

Best for whom? I'm British. I don't see why I should have special treatment over my friends who are of different ethnic groups but were born in the same hospital, who grew up in the same town, and who are citizens of the same country as me. I don't see the best possible outcome for me as being under the control of a party who makes it clear that my friends are not welcome here, a party that would make my gay friends criminals, a party that would foster inefficiency by giving underskilled workers job priority over better qualified candidates simply because they were white, a party that wins votes primarily by creating or exacerbating tension and division within society, and a party that endorses a country based on harsh discipline rather than community - a concept that we have moved away from for a reason.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:08 pm

Those here defending the BNP, I await your defence of their 'whites only' rule.

I also wonder why so many BNP members commenting on this, have done so on the notorious US site Stormfront , an umbrella site for every neo Nazi nut out there.
(I was tempted to look at it after Obama got elected!)
So these poor, downtrodden, white English people hobnob on line with the likes of stormfront and similar?
What's wrong with this picture?

I accept many BNP members don't, the non activist thickos who actually believe anything the BNP say, who seek to blame their own failures on someone else.
Someone foreign, better yet, a different colour too.

I also have to ask, have those bitching about immigrants ever been personally affected in any negative way by them?
Not some crap you read in a tabloid, in real life.

What's wrong with the Poles then? Most work hard, most won't stay (but quite a few have set up businesses here).
They are not going to bomb us, in fact, their nation is very much on our side.
Plus the women are fit!

Guess what? Having a lot of Poles here is not new.
Many who came of fought here in WW2, stayed after the USSR effectively replaced Nazi Germany as their oppressors.
Many in my part of the world, my Dad worked with many at the then Hoover factory in West London, their kids were as British as the rest of us, just with more 'Z's' in their name!

My mum, as a young child in WW2, remembers the Poles too, her happiest memory of the war is a party the Poles gave for local kids.
Mum remarked, they had so little, but they shared with us and were funny and lovely.
Too right, they didn't even have a country.

Mind you, bit of a tough one for the BNP, the Polish.
Most work, they are Christian, plus you don't get much whiter than them!
But when you thrive on fear, bolster them with lies, target the unlucky, feckless or plain barmy, you can get them on the long BNP hate list too.

All nations have immigration issues, it's called globalisation.
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