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Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:37 pm

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/44021

What an outrage! A statue to commemorate a murderous thug? The truth about Comrade Che is so clear, so documented, yet so ignored by pop culture, mainstream media outlets and idiotic teenagers and whacked-out leftists. This just pisses me off.
 
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:47 pm

I am very objective about Che. It depends on who is telling the story. But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

I think it is silly to do it in NYC, the man was a mortal enemy of the USA. No different than putting up a statue of Marx in the same place.

I do have alot of admiration for Che, but equal amount of disdain as well. I wrote a term paper on him in University.
 
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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
It depends on who is telling the story.

The hell it does. Murder, thuggery and terror is what it is.
 
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:52 pm

If Stalin or Lenin looked a little better they'd have statues in New York too! Che on the other hand delivered the looks AND action!
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:52 pm

It would be great if it's erected next to the Bull statue near Wall Street to commemorate the death of capitalism.

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Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:07 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
It would be great if it's erected next to the Bull statue near Wall Street to commemorate the death of capitalism.

Viva La Revolución! Viva!

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Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:10 pm

The first line..


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Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:11 pm



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

What airport is named after GWB? I know IAH is named after his Dad, GHB.
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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
I am very objective about Che. It depends on who is telling the story. But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

Very true I totally agree. Like you said GWB killed more innocent people than Che ever did !!

The other difference between the two is that one claims ''God'' was telling him to do it  Wink
 
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:45 pm

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 8):
Very true I totally agree. Like you said GWB killed more innocent people than Che ever did !!

The airport in question was named after GWB Sr., not junior.

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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 9):
The airport in question was named after GWB Sr., not junior.

There is no senior (or junior). GWB doesn't have the same name as GH(W)B.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
I know IAH is named after his Dad, GHB.

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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
There is no senior (or junior). GWB doesn't have the same name as GH(W)B.

You know what I mean.
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Quoting LMP737 (Reply 11):
You know what I mean.

This is a.net. Someone else would have done the same, too. This is a tough crowd sometimes.  Smile
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
This is a.net. Someone else would have done the same, too. This is a tough crowd sometimes.

Good point. Smile
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:10 am



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
What airport is named after GWB?

I was shocked that I made that mistake. Someone already pointed it out to me with a PM... Now I know Big grin
 
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:28 am



Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it.

Hey man, why dont you give the man a chance! He was not my favorite potential, but anything is better than the current admin. It cant go down from here, it just cant  pray 
 
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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
I am very objective about Che. It depends on who is telling the story. But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

So by that standard, we can re-name Boston Logan... Boston Muhammad Atta International? After all, he caused less death than George W. Bush and was hailed by many as a freedom fighter and not a terrorist. The moral relativism is shocking...
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:50 am



Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it

Oh here we go...  sarcastic  Again with this whole, "Obama the Socialist" garbage. That was all you conservatives had left wasn't it? The People of the USA had had enough of the Bush regime, and so the GOP, in a desperate attempt to hold on to power, started claiming that Obama was a terrorist, or a communist, or a pervert who wanted to talk to Kindergartners about sex, or any other number of false statements. (*Oh, and for the record, I fully understand and congratulate the fact the McCain corrected even his own supporters on the false name calling; however Palin continued to say he was "palin' around with terrorists" and even later McCain began to hint towards Obama being a communist.) And, by the way, was it not Bush who was in charge these last 8 years? Just checking.

Now, on the statue of Che, I think that as long as the statue is put there by an artist, than I don't really care. Now, do I agree with the methods of Che Guevara? No. But Why don't you put up a statue of President Batista? The mob-swindling, murderer President of Cuba prior to Castro. The US Government liked him. He was terrible to his people, and Havana was a nice vacation spot for the Mafia during the 1950's... Just ripe for a revolution. Unfortunately, the true ideals of Socialism were lost on Castro, and even Che. Sadly, it seems, all of these "Socialist Ideals" seem to fall apart to greed.

Besides, Seattle's Fremont has a statue dedicated to Vladimir Lenin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)

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Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:00 am



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 16):
So by that standard, we can re-name Boston Logan... Boston Muhammad Atta International?

I was responding to the tread starters argument that Che's statue in NYC is an outrage. I don't see how you are seeing the parallel between what your statement is and what mine was.

I also said in the same post:

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
I think it is silly to do it in NYC, the man was a mortal enemy of the USA. No different than putting up a statue of Marx in the same place.

So I don't think that is a good idea. Your statement about naming Bostan Muhammad Atta is senseless.

Additionally, if you want to name airports after people, name them after people that did some good for the world. No Bush ever did that and naming an airport after one of them is sad. Naming and airport after 99% of presidents is sad.

What about Martin Luther King Jr. International Airport? No, but that is silly because he actually did some good right?
 
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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 18):

Additionally, if you want to name airports after people, name them after people that did some good for the world. No Bush ever did that and naming an airport after one of them is sad. Naming and airport after 99% of presidents is sad.

What about Martin Luther King Jr. International Airport? No, but that is silly because he actually did some good right?

Are you kidding? How about leading the liberation of Kuwait? How about removing the Taliban from power? Leading the fight against Islamic extremism?? No I guess those are all horrible things.
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:59 am



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
How about leading the liberation of Kuwait?

Yes, but then encouraging a revolution against uncle Saddam and promising support to them which he did not give, which resulted in the slaughtering of thousands that were told to rebel by Bush. And then putting economic sanctions on Iraq that caused the death of nearly 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians while not harming Saddam at all.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
How about removing the Taliban from power?

And then near abandoning the country to fight a useless war in Iraq that should have never been fought. And in the meantime allowing Taliban to be a strong force killing civilians and OUR solders. In the meantime destroying Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of American solders.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
Leading the fight against Islamic extremism??

Leading, yes. Doing an effective job, no.

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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):

And then near abandoning the country to fight a useless war in Iraq that should have never been fought. And in the meantime allowing Taliban to be a strong force killing civilians and OUR solders. In the meantime destroying Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of American solders.

Abandoning???? Are you kidding?? Tell that to the dead U.S. Servicemen over there. Over 90% of all civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan have been caused by the extremists...NOT the US. Next.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):

Yes, but then encouraging a revolution against uncle Saddam and promising support to them which he did not give, which resulted in the slaughtering of thousands that were told to rebel by Bush. And then putting economic sanctions on Iraq that caused the death of nearly 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians while not harming Saddam at all.

No. The Shiites expected it (and the groups were based in Iran BTW) but the US stated over and over they were not going to meddle in Iraq's internal affairs.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):

Leading, yes. Doing an effective job, no.

Yes, Bush is a great guy... Yeah sure

Recent estimates have over 75,000 terrorists killed or captured.
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Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
have been caused by the extremists...

Which was caused by the US invading... I feel like I have had this conversation before...  Confused

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
75,000 terrorists killed or captured.

I wonder how many of these "terrorists" were 12 or 13, or "at the wrong place at the wrong time?"

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Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 22):
Which was caused by the US invading... I feel like I have had this conversation before...

Me too. The US has so many high tech weapons that they bomb schools with kids in them in Pakistan. Afghanistan and Iraq. No wonder people turn to extremism. If a country wiped out my family I would probably feel the same way !!
 
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Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
Abandoning???? Are you kidding??

UAL, where are most of the US troops? Not in Afghanistan where they should be. I would call the abandoning and now the poor troops that are there, which is NOT just US troops, do not have the resources or the man power to do the job properly.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
Tell that to the dead U.S. Servicemen over there

Now can't we have a serious conversation here? Lets use facts and not guilt tactics.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
US stated over and over they were not going to meddle in Iraq's internal affairs.

After the the first gulf war the US put an embargo on Iraq that caused close to 1,000,000 civilian deaths. They could not get food, medicine and other basic essentials. I don't get how starving civilians can accomplish anything. Actually it cant.

And this embargo means that the US DID meddle in Iraq's affairs. Internal? I don't know, but they put a strangle hold on the country that made Saddam stronger and the civilians sick and dying.

Bush Sr. did this, Clinton continued it and than after over a decade of suffering Bush Jr. invaded.
 
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Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it.

Right, because raising taxes back to Reagan-era levels=communism.  sarcastic 
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:41 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
It would be great if it's erected next to the Bull statue near Wall Street to commemorate the death of capitalism.

Viva La Revolución! Viva!

Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it.

Yeah, helluva nose dive the Dow took yesterday (21 November)  sarcastic 

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
How about leading the liberation of Kuwait?

How much time elapsed between the so-called "liberation" of Kuwait and the date when women in that country won the right to vote?
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Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 26):

How much time elapsed between the so-called "liberation" of Kuwait and the date when women in that country won the right to vote?

Doesn't matter. It was still a good thing.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 24):

After the the first gulf war the US put an embargo on Iraq that caused close to 1,000,000 civilian deaths. They could not get food, medicine and other basic essentials. I don't get how starving civilians can accomplish anything. Actually it cant.

And this embargo means that the US DID meddle in Iraq's affairs. Internal? I don't know, but they put a strangle hold on the country that made Saddam stronger and the civilians sick and dying.

Bush Sr. did this, Clinton continued it and than after over a decade of suffering Bush Jr. invaded.

It was a UN embargo not just the US.

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 22):

I wonder how many of these "terrorists" were 12 or 13, or "at the wrong place at the wrong time?"

Not many. See its funny how little reaches the news. When you see "10 civilians" killed in an air raid in Afghanistan its usually not really 10 civilians. Its usually militants whos weapons are removed from the scene after they are dead. There are many tricks they play to fuel the propaganda war, and people believe it.

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 22):

Which was caused by the US invading... I feel like I have had this conversation before... Confused

We have and you are still wrong. They kill people because they are CRAZY. The Taliban was one of the most brutal regimes EVER. I don't give a damn if they decided to fight because of us or not. The fact is that our presence does not justify the wanton mass-murder of civilians.

Have you noticed how violence has dramatically fallen in Iraq? Its because the average Iraqi realizes who is trying to kill him and who isn't. Our intel there on the insurgency is getting better by the day.
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Quoting UAL777 (Reply 27):
Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 26):

How much time elapsed between the so-called "liberation" of Kuwait and the date when women in that country won the right to vote?

Doesn't matter. It was still a good thing.

This isn't Martha Stewart. How can it be called a "liberation" if freedom wasn't brought to everyone? Would the United States really be willing to overlook such a critical element as equal suffrage?

And while we're on the subject, why didn't Bush 41 spare his son the legwork and take out Sadam when he had the chance?
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:18 pm

And the last post actually mentioning Che and New York was #18

Where IS this thread headed?
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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 18):
Additionally, if you want to name airports after people, name them after people that did some good for the world. No Bush ever did that

He sure saved our ass!

Signed,
Kuwait.

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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 18):
What about Martin Luther King Jr. International Airport? No, but that is silly because he actually did some good right?

MLK has a ton of stuff named after him, including a holiday.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 24):
UAL, where are most of the US troops? Not in Afghanistan where they should be. I would call the abandoning and now the poor troops that are there, which is NOT just US troops, do not have the resources or the man power to do the job properly.

Just because the media ignores Afghanistan doesn't mean the military is. Second, this is a global war on terrorism, not a war against Al Qaeda.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 28):
And while we're on the subject, why didn't Bush 41 spare his son the legwork and take out Sadam when he had the chance?

Wasn't the objective of Gulf War 1. Hindsight is 20/20 and perhaps we should have but we didnt. However, to waste time debating whether we should have done it then is only drawing attention away from finishing the job now.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):
And then near abandoning the country to fight a useless war in Iraq that should have never been fought. And in the meantime allowing Taliban to be a strong force killing civilians and OUR solders. In the meantime destroying Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of American solders

Interesting to note that most of the soldiers who are fighting this war don't think its useless and are actually quite proud of what has been accomplished there - both Iraq and Afghanistan. But why would you let that get in the way of your statement?

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):
Leading, yes. Doing an effective job, no.

How many times has the US been attacked inside its borders by Islamic fundamentalists since we began the War on Terror? Oh yea - Zero. Will it happen again? To say no would be naive but we're stopping more of them since we began the war.
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Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 30):
Signed,
Kuwait.

Signed Kuwait Oil fields  Wink
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:22 am

In France there are hundreds of Napoleon monuments -and he was basically a mass-murderer of the worst kind,sending knowingly hundrets of thousands into useless wars.
He deliberately butchered troops as if there was no lack in fresh supply of solders.
So a monument for Ché is just rendering justice to history.
Ever heard about a man called Mao Tse Tung ? His track-record is not bad neither with an estimated 20 Million of his own kind killed...I'm pretty sure there are still tons of monuments around..
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 32):
In France there are hundreds of Napoleon monuments -and he was basically a mass-murderer of the worst kind,sending knowingly hundrets of thousands into useless wars.
He deliberately butchered troops as if there was no lack in fresh supply of solders.
So a monument for Ché is just rendering justice to history.
Ever heard about a man called Mao Tse Tung ? His track-record is not bad neither with an estimated 20 Million of his own kind killed...I'm pretty sure there are still tons of monuments around..

But in other countries where the governments tend not to spread other countries' propaganda? I would expect to find monuments to Mao in China, but I don't think you'll find too many, if any, in the US.
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Quoting Slider (Thread starter):
No different than putting up a statue of Marx in the same place.

Actually I forcefully disagree with your statement. Marx was not anyone's enemy. Marx was a historian, an economist and a philosopher. And quite a brilliant one at that.

I staunchly, solidly and totally disagree with the vast majority of his economic and social aspirations, but his diagnostic of 19th century capitalism in Europe was, and still is, absolutely spot on. The man was a genius and most definitely deserves his place in the Pantheon of great thinkers.

Guevara, on the other hand, was just a murderous guerillero and seeing his face on T-shirts (made in Chinese hard labour camps, most of the time) worn by brain-dead, hormonal teenagers gives me the creeps.
 
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:47 pm

How many people walk around with Che on the T-Shirt ?
Times have changed and communist leaders are now even used in car commercials:
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Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

Did he get the "honor" of a sewer system to be named after him:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/wa...r=3&ref=us&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:52 pm

(It's hilarious how everything has to come back to Bush-bashing...honestly people. I am the biggest legit critic he has, but give it a rest!)

Back on topic...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...ew_york_honors_che_guevara_wi.html

Quote:
"If the missiles had remained (in Cuba),We would have used them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York City. The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims."
- Ernesto 'Che" Guevara, November 1962.

Great piece---for allt he moral relativists out there, read it and learn what a murderous thug lunatic he was. That statue ought to be spiked.

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 17):
Besides, Seattle's Fremont has a statue dedicated to Vladimir Lenin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_...ttle)

That one can be spiked too.
 
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Quoting Slider (Reply 36):
Great piece---for allt he moral relativists out there, read it and learn what a murderous thug lunatic he was. That statue ought to be spiked.

Tempest in a teapot.

Why are you here if you think this is so important, Slider? I expect your resignation in the morning along with the news that you've purchased a one way ticket to New York and are prepared to picket the statue in your hair shirt until April when it is to be removed and perhaps smelted down into useful bronze objects like faucets and oilite bushings.

It's in the nature of free speech-whatever misguided fool thought it was worth spending money to erect a statue of a gangster is entitled to it as are the people who own the dirt under it, as are you to complain about it. Every pigeon that shits on it may attain sainthood if Father Coughlin-oops, I meant Rush Limbaugh-has anything to say about it.

Would you forward me a picture of you hanging a used condom on Che's cigar? It'd be in the nature of street theater and I think Christian Jankowski might see the humor in it.

There's plenty more of substance to worry about these days, methinks. Like the economy, or maybe the complete lack of relevance and usefulness that the right has managed to paint themselves into the corner of.

For dogs, there's always another car to chase, though.

At least this statue will go away in April 2009 without anyone doing anything. Can't say that about Oxycontin Limbaugh and his fatuous admirers.

In the mean time this red herring-if I may be permitted a small pun-will keep the right occupied while more important things are being dealt with. I mean, they're like Yasir Arafat, the man who never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity to be relevant.

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Quoting Columba (Reply 35):
Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

Did he get the "honor" of a sewer system to be named after him:

Voters rejected the ballot measure because it works effectively. It would be an insult to the sewage plant to be named after an inept president.
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:11 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 37):
Would you forward me a picture of you hanging a used condom on Che's cigar?

LOL....nice rant.  Smile
 
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:47 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 38):
It would be an insult to the sewage plant to be named after an inept president.

I dunno. It'd serve as a reminder to the rest of us what happens when we have garbage for a government.

I like the idea of the George W. Bush Sanitary Landfill.
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:52 pm



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 16):
So by that standard, we can re-name Boston Logan... Boston Muhammad Atta International? After all, he caused less death than George W. Bush and was hailed by many as a freedom fighter and not a terrorist. The moral relativism is shocking...

Exactly, +1 million my friend.



Mr. George Bush has liberated millions of people around the world. The deaths you see in Iraq are from the murdering Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Anyone that blames Bush for those deaths, seriously needs to see a doctor.
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:14 pm



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 41):
The deaths you see in Iraq are from the murdering Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

Many people on the theatre of operations strongly disagree with your statement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...he_Iraq_War#Total_Iraqi_casualties

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 41):
Anyone that blames Bush for those deaths, seriously needs to see a doctor.

Anyone making such statements may want to gather information before bagging people who are simply pointing to facts.  Smile

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 30):
How many times has the US been attacked inside its borders by Islamic fundamentalists since we began the War on Terror? Oh yea - Zero. Will it happen again? To say no would be naive but we're stopping more of them since we began the war.

Point well taken. Although to be fair, how many attacks have there been on US soil since, well, the Mexican War? Pearl Harbour, WTC 1, Oklahoma City and September 11. One was an act of war, so that leaves two. Can we draw statistics of success based on three events, in spite of their monstrous cruelty and savagery?

Make no mistake, I would never try to belittle OKC and 9/11. Heck, I was standing on top of the WTC ten days before it was hit.

But The UK, Spain, France, Italy and of course the entire Middle East and North Africa have been living under the threat of it for decades. It is unfortunately part of the culture, the fabric of our societies.

I grew up with body searches at the entrance of department stores, major railway stations and airports being evacuated on a whim (and sometimes on actual solid evidence  scared  ), street rubbish bins being sealed and random searches by the police. Sucks, but that's part of life there. Imagine what it is in Israel...

What I mean to say is that seven years of no attacks, while very welcome and I am praying for 70,000 years of no attacks, does not quite make it statistically representative.

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 25):
Right, because raising taxes back to Reagan-era levels=communism.

I guess the sense of measured judgement and moderation of language is not a prerequisite to post on this forum!  biggrin 
 
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:16 pm



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 41):
Mr. George Bush has liberated millions of people around the world.

Another such victory over the Romans and we are undone.

Signed, your pal in the palace

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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:24 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 40):
I like the idea of the George W. Bush Sanitary Landfill.

We'll have to look for a third-world nation landfill for that.
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:21 am



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 44):
We'll have to look for a third-world nation landfill for that.

What about Alaska? They already believe it's ice cream.
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:54 am



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 44):
We'll have to look for a third-world nation landfill for that.

Why do you want to add to their misery?  Wink
 
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:53 am

If a statue of Che is allowed by the same token a statue of Mussolini should be allowed. I have said this before on another thread ... I am sick and tired of Communist icons and emblems being allowed to be worn on t shirts and on political parties yet anything related to right wings dictatorships are forbidden, when at the end of the day both sides did the same thing.
Either allow all emblems -left and right, communist and nazi- or forbid all of them, but I'm fed up with the hypocresy of allowing Mao, Che, Castro, etc. etc.
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:56 am

Oh and on the Bush deal ... it is unbelievable that people defend his wars. Thousands have died under a BS pretext of WMD's and yet some people think it was a good action. Pathetic.
And about GWB senior, yes, he liberated Kuwait but if you think that it was in the seek of justice and democracy you need to see a shrink. It's all about oil, and it will always be.

Keep on "liberting the world", it's amusing ....
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RE: A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?

Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:42 am



Quoting Oa260 (Reply 8):
Very true I totally agree. Like you said GWB killed more innocent people than Che ever did !!

The other difference between the two is that one claims ''God'' was telling him to do it

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