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Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:06 am

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/...gnant.ticket/index.html#cnnSTCText

(CNN) -- A pregnant woman and her husband are rushing to the hospital in the breakdown lane of a Massachusetts highway.

The story comes from the Boston Globe. Yes, the couple is going fast. Yes, they're in the breakdown lane. But the woman is in labor, there's a big traffic jam, and they're in a considerable hurry for fairly obvious reasons.

So they pull up behind a state trooper to ask for his help in getting to the hospital. Do they get his help? They do not. They get a ticket instead, for $100, and have to wait while the cop finishes the ticket he was already writing for someone else.

And after this woman in labor and her husband have been made to cool their heels and have been slapped with a $100 dollar ticket -- after all that -- the trooper tops it off by asking Jennifer Davis, the woman in question, to prove she was pregnant.


This is an example of why I have less than warm feelings for the media. Ms. Brown quotes The Boston Globe as the source for her commentary but she cleverly leaves a few facts out of her version - perhaps to make it a little more inflammatory? She conveniently forgets to mention that the officer had the citation MAILED to Davis and the total time the couple was delayed was a whopping 5-10 minutes. Also, from Campbell's version, you'd think the couple made it to the hospital with just moments to spare. When did mom actually give birth? 5 hours later. Wow, that was a close one. Oh, and how far away was the hospital they chose to handle the delivery? A mere 30 miles. So instead of questioning some perhaps poor decision making on the part of the Davis', let's chastise a cop for doing his job.

As for the officer asking her to open her jacket, so what? You wouldn't believe the lengths people go to to illegally skirt traffic jams. I've stopped car pool lane violators who had blow up dolls and mannequins seat belted in the passenger seat. I've stopped "mom's" with car seats in the back seat occupied by a plastic, infant-sized doll. I could go on but you get the drift.

I've stopped numerous erratic drivers who were rushing to the hospital with what they deemed was a "life threatening" injury or illness and each time it has been anything but. The danger they were putting themselves and other drivers in far out weighed the "emergency situation" they thought they were in.

The bottom line to this story is, the couple was driving in violation of a MA traffic law and the cop was well within his rights to issue them a ticket. Instead, he detained them just long enough to get the necessary information to mail them a ticket and sent them on their way. They can have their day in court, should they see fit. Maybe next time the Davis' will remember three little numbers rather than endanger themselves, their unborn child, and countless other motorists on the road: 9-1-1

The Boston Globe story:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas..._rush_hour_labor_ticket_delivered/
 
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:48 pm

Sorry, mr. tough cop, but get over it. This officer is a jack ass and deserves any bad glances coming his way.
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:20 pm

Too right - obviously the trooper or whatever you call those people was on an ego trip, despite the amniotic fluids which were presumably dripping from the woman's hoo ha.

Anyone with a bit of common sense would have investigated quickly (which is well within the police's right to stop them), notice what the cause of the urgency was, make a quick deduction as to its credibility and wave them on.
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:03 pm



Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
ou wouldn't believe the lengths people go to to illegally skirt traffic jams. I've stopped car pool lane violators who had blow up dolls and mannequins seat belted in the passenger seat.

You serious?  rotfl 


That Cop's a jerk though. .
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:23 am



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 2):
notice what the cause of the urgency was, make a quick deduction as to its credibility and wave them on.

Nope. You (the Officer) call for an ambulance right then and there if it such an emergency, and the husband can follow to the hospital. I'm sure the concerned couple would feel better knowing that Advanced Life Support was coming to meet them, rather than take the chance of getting into an accident or delivering in the car. Right?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:33 am



Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
Also, from Campbell's version, you'd think the couple made it to the hospital with just moments to spare. When did mom actually give birth? 5 hours later. Wow, that was a close one. Oh, and how far away was the hospital they chose to handle the delivery? A mere 30 miles. So instead of questioning some perhaps poor decision making on the part of the Davis', let's chastise a cop for doing his job.

You know what? Having seen tons of births, labor is a very unpredictable process. It may have taken 5 hours or 1 hour. And as for going 30 miles away? Is that where her doctor was? Then it kind of makes sense for them to go there. It always is better to be under a care of a doctor that knows everything about you, especially if there's an emergency.

Campbell Brown isn't guilty of anything. That cop was being a jackass and rather than assist the couple, he questioned them. I know there are always judgment calls but c'mon, the woman must have definitely looked to be in distress, and a good and experienced cop should have been able to realize they aren't lying. If he was so unsure, he could have checked everything out after escorting them to the hospital, like what often happens.
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:48 am



Quoting SASD209 (Reply 4):

yes, let's send an ambulance into rush hour traffic.

the idea here is to use best judgment at all times.
writing this ticket was not the best judgment.
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:56 am

What is it about childbirth always being a potential medical emergency do people still not get through their thick skulls??
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:27 am



Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
the couple was delayed was a whopping 5-10 minutes.

Umm ok so she gave birth 5 hrs later..What if this was a heart attack? That 5 to 10 minute hold up could cost someone their life. Sorry officer not to many sympathize with your version how this was handled. You seem to be all jacked up about car pool lane violators. Boy it must by a slow news day in your jurisdiction. Try patrolling where I live where armed hold up's and murder are a daily event they have no time to lose sleep over car pool violations in Memphis.
 
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:36 am

It might have been five hours later, but considering how unpredictable these things can be, it might as well had been five minutes, or even five seconds. .

If you stop someone on their way to the hospital, help them get there faster. .
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:56 am



Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
yes, let's send an ambulance into rush hour traffic.

the idea here is to use best judgment at all times.
writing this ticket was not the best judgment.

The only thing that the Officer failed to do is call EMS ASAP. EVERY dept that I ever worked for has a policy to call EMS for a medical emergency. Period. No discussions: a civilian claims a medical emergency; call EMS. It's as automatic as a sunrise, the Officer cannot and is not responsible to evaluate the legitimacy of a medical claim. In this case, he had no business to ask for proof, his DUTY was to provide medical aid to a citizen, and he failed.

It's funny that you question the logic of sending a properly trained and equipped medical response vehicle into traffic....is letting a civilian vehicle with no training, no emergency equipment, and a high emotional value off through the same traffic a wise choice? I think not. I've been there on both sides: law enforcement and EMS, I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.

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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:03 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
What is it about childbirth always being a potential medical emergency do people still not get through their thick skulls??

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I know too many people who have died during childbirth to know it isn't something to fool around with. As others have pointed out, noting that the baby was born five hours later is not a defense unless the cop is psychic. If that's the case I am sure his income is about to be substantially increased.

To defend the cop: He didn't know who is in the car. Simply because of what they do I am sure cops are always a bit careful when approaching stopped cars. It's not like he knew the lady was pregnant, so there is nothing wrong with stopping her. But once he noticed that there's a woman in labor, it's time to let them get to the hospital. The entire incident should have taken under a minute.

I think its to be thankful everything turned out okay. Live and let live...and I hope those people get out of that ticket!  Smile
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:09 am

Next time, the couple should call an ambulance if it is such a pressing medical issue instead of putting other people's safety in jeopardy.
 
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RE: Campbell Brown Stirring The Pot

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:23 am



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 12):
Next time, the couple should call an ambulance if it is such a pressing medical issue instead of putting other people's safety in jeopardy.

Agreed...The couple used poor judgement and should have called an ambulance. But my question is if other troopers knew they had a problem and waved them on in the breakdown lane why didn't they offer an escort? This ticket happy cop that finally wrote them this ticket was finishing up another ticket for someone else maybe he should have offered a police escort to the hospital instead of being a hardass and a cop that most of us hate. I have respect for poice and have NEVER received a ticket and I am going on 45 yrs old but as much as there are great cops out there there are guys like this. I have seen too many young punks who are badge happy and like to throw their authority around.

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