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Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:30 pm

"...Although the level of dioxin identified is not described as dangerous, it was nonetheless between 80 and 200 times above the legal limits. It thus set alarm bells ringing when it was confirmed last week...."

We are talking -of course -food we stupid humans are supposed to consume !

The poor animals-porc that is- have been raised,fed with polluted shit that contains dioxine and then killed-just to figure out their sacrifice of life has been for nothing- and their miserable carcasses will end up in a shredder and destroid..
Are we -stupid humans -never learning anything tied to farming and food ?????

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-irish-pork-products-1056538.html

you read my signature and understand why I prefer animals to humans ..
Please respect animals - don't eat them...
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:40 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

I don't think it's fair to blame the farmers. A mistake was made by the company supplying the farmers with the food animals eat.
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:46 pm

Yes and the Irish government have acted quickly and providing all information. Supermarkets were throwing out the products from early this morning. Its been a rapid response.
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:56 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
you read my signature and understand why I prefer animals to humans ..

I heard about this on the BBC last night and I'd plumb fergot about it. Dioxins and PCBs are bad stuff.

Most likely, where it came from is the feed. Often animal feed is laced with spent fryer grease because the calorific content improves feed quality. The feed market is often used to dispose of various products that are fit for animal feed but not for humans.


Examples? Citrus peels. Overdue milk. overage baked goods. Corn with higher than normal levels of aflatoxin. Spent fryer grease. Distillers' grains (spent fermentation residue). Apple pomace. potato peels. The list is endless.

PCBs are soluble in oils and were used as rather good fireproofing material in transformers and other electrical gear. I suspect this was caused by transformer waste oil getting in the feed supply. Much of the feed in the EU comes from producers in the Netherlands and this is not the first time they've had problems.

If you really need to learn about feed, animals and PCBs read here:

http://everything2.com/node/1774247
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:18 am

Thanks Doug for the link - the misery with raising intensively animals for food consumption is the need to feed them at low cost and supply thousands of supermarkets with cheap pork,fill hamburger-outlets with cheap minced-beef and KFC with hormone-infested chickenwings.
If people would accept to consume less meat but pay rather somewhat more for quality meat,everybody would be better off..
One thing I like about the French Island of Corsica is that they feed just chestnuts to their pigs and let them walk freely in the bushlands called "Maquis"-same goes for the Spanish producers of quality ham that just feed natural chestnuts and let pigs seek their food in the large enclosures they get in the mountains.This pork obviously costs more but one does not need to eat pork or beef evyday anyhow.
I'm sorry to say but it is the farmers responsibility to check what they feed to their animals!
Farmer's associations have the means to check the most used brands of animal food and do regular testings and chemical analysis of that stuff.Feeding animals decently becomes a major challenge,since all out food-chain is fully corrupted.Vegatables and fruit are completely polluted with fertilizers,chemical spay and insectizides.Bees are dying because of that .Try to find good flower and try to find good,healthy bread -good luck !
Fish is even worse,since most fish now comes from fish-farming factories feeding hormone-infested shit to their produce.And by doing that treaten the wild-grown species even more as reported in this article..
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Wild-...estroyed-by-Fish-Farms-36985.shtml

It's really time to reconsider completely our way to produce lifestock and re-assess our eating habits !
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:28 am



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
If people would accept to consume less meat but pay rather somewhat more for quality meat,everybody would be better off..

Some of us chose to eat as much meat as ever AND to pay for the best quality. But, I appreciate not everyone can.
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:43 am



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):

It's really time to reconsider completely our way to produce lifestock and re-assess our eating habits !

I agree. I don't consume very large amounts of meat as I generally can't afford it, being a poor student and all. Ramen works for me.

And I agree that we should re-assess what type of meat we eat. Why not just try to increase the types of meat that we eat? Beef, pork, chicken and lamb. Four kinds of meat, and that's basically it. It's being done in smaller scale with game, farmed ostrich and such, but if we diversify on a larger scale, the amounts of mass-production of the usual suspects may well decrease, allowing for improved conditions for the animals.

There are a lot of people who think hunting is a horrible thing. But look at it this way: an animal that gets shot in the woods has had a way better life than a chicken which has been kept in a cage the size of a mailbox being pumped full of hormones in order to grow as much as possible. And hopefully, the hunters are good shots and manage to kill the animal instantly instead of providing a life time of discomfort. And hell, with less and less natural predators around, steps have to be taken in order to control wild animal populations.

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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:03 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
Thanks Doug for the link - the misery with raising intensively animals for food consumption is the need to feed them at low cost and supply thousands of supermarkets with cheap pork,fill hamburger-outlets with cheap minced-beef and KFC with hormone-infested chickenwings

I looked all over for a book that I read on the subject.

Fact is, I drove past the Climax feed mill pretty near every day. Here's what happened.

The mill commonly used a magnesium supplement they got from Michigan Chemical Co. The products of the company were all named with the suffix -master.

Thus the mag supplement was called Feedmaster.

They also made PBBs and the product was named Firemaster.

Several bags ended up in the Climax mill by mistake and ended up being incorporated into feed. Impossibly high levels of PBB resulted and the state had to buy up several thousand affected cattle and bury them in a landfill up in Kalkaska. The mill made it worse by trying to clean the machinery with a soybean oil flush. PBBs are soluble in oil.

Parenthetically, the state functions as a lab studying the long term effects of PBB contamination on people. If you ever ate Michigan beef, you've eaten PBBs.
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:20 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 7):

Interesting read.
Although what I find most alarming about it is that in this day and age, fire retardants and cattle feed are produced in the same factory.
Amazing times we live in...  eyebrow 

By the way, PBB will eventually kill you, but does it at least protect you from spontaneous combustion?

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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:09 pm

After hearing the news yesterday morning I did the appropriate thing and took sausages and black pudding out of the fridge and . . . fried them. Delicious!

I always reckon that the thing to get you is the one you aren't expecting.
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:10 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 9):
After hearing the news yesterday morning I did the appropriate thing and took sausages and black pudding out of the fridge and . . . fried them. Delicious!

LOL.... and if you dont want Pork there are plenty of other Irish meat products to choose from.
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:30 pm



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
By the way, PBB will eventually kill you, but does it at least protect you from spontaneous combustion?

That's why I love the French-they have the innate ability to see the good in any set of facts, no matter how dismal.


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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:34 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
I'm sorry to say but it is the farmers responsibility to check what they feed to their animals!

True but the bit they take seriously is the cost. Hence the previous scandal about BSE.

Confusing MgO with PCBs is a bit amazing. I have bucketloads of MgO which I use as a final polishing agent. Luckily, I don't think PCBs would even look like a substitute for real MgO in that application. But just as well the old pharmacy remedy for stomach pain is not sold in many places these days, it was an emulsion of MgO.

One thing I will bet, is this sus pork will be spread further and wider than most of us suspect.
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:07 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
But just as well the old pharmacy remedy for stomach pain is not sold in many places these days, it was an emulsion of MgO

It's a common feed supplement for beef and dairy cattle-because it improves their digestion and their weight gain for a given amount of feed.

Custom mix feed is also a common thing. You call up the mill, tell them what you'd like, and they blend it for you and load it in your truck. It's a good way of correcting for nutritional deficiencies on a particular farm, say, if the soil is deficient in some nutrient or other. Plus, and this is a fact, some farmers will have things like molasses added to their feed because the critters like it, and if they like the taste of the feed they'll eat more and gain weight faster.

I don't know how they did it either, but maybe the people charging the mill with the custom mix ingredients just weren't paying attention when they were cutting the bags open and dumping them in the hoppers. Michigan Chemical company, now defunct, was a shoddy operation. Here's some reading on what happened there.

http://www.epa.gov/region5superfund/npl/michigan/MID000722439.htm
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:01 pm

Its now spread to Beef !!
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:48 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 13):
I don't know how they did it either, but maybe the people charging the mill with the custom mix ingredients just weren't paying attention

Seemingly it was caused by improper oil used in the heating process to dry the feed, and not deliberately, or accidentally, mixed into the feed itself.

The oil originated in Northern Ireland and the PSNI are investigating.
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:37 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
Seemingly it was caused by improper oil used in the heating process to dry the feed, and not deliberately, or accidentally, mixed into the feed itself.

The oil originated in Northern Ireland and the PSNI are investigating.

I'd bet the dryers are heated with waste oil, then. Probably the contents of a large and old transformer got included in the tank. We mostly use propane or natural gas here to dry feed because it's relatively inexpensive, particularly natural gas.
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:44 pm

The European Food Safety Authority declares Irish pork "safe to eat". Woohooo!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1210/pork.html
 
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RE: Have Irish Farmers Gone Completely Nuts?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:58 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
"...Although the level of dioxin identified is not described as dangerous, it was nonetheless between 80 and 200 times above the legal limits. It thus set alarm bells ringing when it was confirmed last week...."

We are talking -of course -food we stupid humans are supposed to consume !

The poor animals-porc that is- have been raised,fed with polluted shit that contains dioxine and then killed-just to figure out their sacrifice of life has been for nothing- and their miserable carcasses will end up in a shredder and destroid..
Are we -stupid humans -never learning anything tied to farming and food ?????

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-irish-pork-products-1056538.html

you read my signature and understand why I prefer animals to humans ..

Sorry but this doesn't fit together. It's a bad thing what happened. And yes stupid humans will never stop to feed shit to animals to gain more profit off of the meat they sell.

Anyway why do you prefer animals over humans. Animals eat animals and some animals even kill in a atrocious way or even play with their hunt.

Why should I don't eat animals. This is what made you, me and every other human able to think and be so smart and developed that we are.
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