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In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:28 pm

I was at a holiday outing recently when a friend of ours kept making references to transexuals.

First they seemed to be funny remarks but as the night went on, he kept going back to the same subject.

He seemed to imply he had a liking for "trannies", as he put it. Then later, he stated that if they are a hot looking chick, its all good.

The whole night, he kept going back to it, joking around about it the entire evening.

After a night of trannie references, I'm starting to wonder if trannies really turn him on and perhaps this is his way of reaching out for acceptance?

Or maybe he IS a trannie?

Thoughts?
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:21 pm

I only like trannies if they are also lactating, amputee midgets with an eye patch, who are post-stroke with no movement on their left side (right side is ok...but I'm a lefty and it becomes awkward). Added plus if they are fans of Jefferson Starship.

But that's just me.

As for said individual, I volunteer you, Mirrodie, to find out first-hand. No pun.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:30 pm

Phil what about if they were fans of Jefferson Airplane or when they became just Starship. Do you take those factors into account?

I might be gay but I don't get tranny's....
 
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:30 pm

Phil.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to out you like this!  eyepopping  eyepopping  eyepopping 

And I already told you, I can't volunteer. I'm too busy!
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:39 pm

Fine. I'll take one for the team and go find out. If I don't come back, tell Mom I love her!

Tommy, Jefferson Airplane...no good. Sorry, I should have specified.

All this talk makes me want to fire up the grill and have some franks and beans! haha
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:25 pm

I knew I should not have opened this thread.. I just had a feeling it was going to be wrong on many levels...
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:39 pm

Thanks Mirrodie, now I've got that scene from Clerks where Randal gets that porn video running through my head....

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):
I knew I should not have opened this thread.. I just had a feeling it was going to be wrong on many levels...

 
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:48 pm



Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
Or maybe he IS a trannie?

Firstly: Are you sure it's a "he" to begin with?

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:59 pm



Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
After a night of trannie references, I'm starting to wonder if trannies really turn him on and perhaps this is his way of reaching out for acceptance?

Or maybe he IS a trannie?

He is not a trannie. He sure likes them though. He is just making sure you are OK with it before showing up with one.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:21 pm

Can I just make a little point?

Please don't refer to them as "trannies". It's considered highly offensive, much like poof, queer, bender, homo etc.

If he likes transsexuals, so what? He's boning them and I don't see how that's anybody else's business. It's just like other people like certain traits in people.
 
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:41 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
I don't see how that's anybody else's business

Because he's making it other people's business...

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
It's just like other people like certain traits in people.

And I consider many other things to be odd as well... call me intolerant...



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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:04 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
Please don't refer to them as "trannies". It's considered highly offensive

Oh please get over yourself you PC nimby! If we want to call them trannies we will. Who are you?

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
It's considered highly offensive, much like poof, queer, bender, homo etc.




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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:15 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
Please don't refer to them as "trannies". It's considered highly offensive, much like poof, queer, bender, homo etc.

ajd1992, I'm actually using the terms he used. But thanks.

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
I don't see how that's anybody else's business.

True until he made it open domain.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:27 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 8):
He is just making sure you are OK with it before showing up with one.

I would PAY to see that. Hey, ______, bring a date next time!

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
Please don't refer to them as "trannies". It's considered highly offensive, much like poof, queer, bender, homo etc.

Bender! That's a new one for me. I'm going to use that!

As for "tranny", it's not an actual insulting term. It's like "jew", which can be valid, or insulting, depending on how sensitive people are being and the context in which is it used.

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 9):
If he likes transsexuals, so what? He's boning them and I don't see how that's anybody else's business. It's just like other people like certain traits in people.

We're just breaking his chops. He's a friend of ours and we don't care who or what he puts his binky in. Or whose binkies are...well...you know.  Wink
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:45 am

It could be he is looking for acceptance. Coming out as gay is less difficult these days but still can be. Bringing home one's first serious boy/girlfriend is difficult. This, however, is at a point where maybe he is not sure how anyone will react. Maybe he has met someone who is a trans and wants to guage his friend's reactions. Just pull him aside and ask him about it quietly. Do not make a big scene. He could be so vulerable about this he does not want to lose anyone.

Or, he just wanted to be silly. But, I would go with the first choice.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:57 am



Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 13):
binkies

Out of this whole thread, I find that to be the funniest word out of it all... Although, I don't really get "bender"..
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:03 am



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 15):
Although, I don't really get "bender"..

I don't get "poof" "queer" and "homo" going along with the white van.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:42 am



Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 13):
We're just breaking his chops. He's a friend of ours and we don't care who or what he puts his binky in. Or whose binkies are...well...you know.

Exactly. It's all good, even if he really IS into trannies!( or is secretly a trannie waiting to bust out!) Big grin
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:44 am

The fact that he kept bringing-up the subject says a lot. There are a number of guys out there who like the look of a woman, but a woman can't give them what they want physically. So they go for "Chicks with dicks". I've seen this happen before: for some reason some guys like this like to drop hints to their friends. A guy I know used to work with a married guy who carried around a suit of playing cards featuring chicks with dicks. He'd sometimes take them out and remark positively on the pics, usually saying things like "If you couldn't get a woman, would you do one of these?". I heard later that the guy came out as being bisexual, but I'd say his sexual interests also lay elsewhere.
 
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:29 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 11):
Oh please get over yourself you PC nimby! If we want to call them trannies we will. Who are you?

Actually I've got trans friends. It was pretty much unanimous between them that "trannie" was offensive. If anything trannie is discriminatory.

Call me PC but i'm sure you don't like being called "breeder" or the straight equivalent.

There's being non-PC, and just downright rude.

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:52 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
Call me PC but i'm sure you don't like being called "breeder" or the straight equivalent.

Surprise of the week . . .  Big grin
 
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:14 pm



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 17):

Exactly. It's all good, even if he really IS into trannies!( or is secretly a trannie waiting to bust out!) Big grin

IF (big IF) he is a trannie waiting to get out and saying stuff like: " h if they are a hot looking chick, its all good. ".. that means that one day he will come dresses up and he wants you to play "house" with him/her (Whatever).

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
Actually I've got trans friends. It was pretty much unanimous between them that "trannie" was offensive. If anything trannie is discriminatory.

I agree. There is a difference in being transsexual than just doing drag.

Most men with transsexuals are not gay. Bi at the most.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:20 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
being called "breeder" or the straight equivalent.

I just call them "icky"...  duck 

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:55 pm

I can beat the lot of you. I am a transsexual!

For the record, I don't like being called a 'trannie' Makes me feel like a gearbox.
Also, 'trannie' is kind of used to sum up everyone how dresses as women. In reality, there are at least 3 different 'types' of 'trannie'.

Transvestites, who just dress in the clothes.
Transgender, those who like to blur the line between the genders.
and Transsexuals, those who feel they were born in the wrong body and seek help to change temselves to their real gender.

As to you're friend. He's definatly trying to tell you something, but from personal experiance, it may be more to do with his attraction to transgendered people ( a much nicer general term, I feel). But everyone is different, and the best thing you can do is treat him as normal, not make a big deal of the situation and do not ask them directly. When he's ready, He'll let you know.

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:32 pm

I think that post above sorted everybody out in this thread....  Wink

Kudos on posting that info, too. Not many people would.
 
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:28 pm



Quoting Jessb (Reply 23):
For the record, I don't like being called a 'trannie' Makes me feel like a gearbox.

Five speed or five speed plus overdrive?

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
He seemed to imply he had a liking for "trannies", as he put it. Then later, he stated that if they are a hot looking chick, its all good.

The whole night, he kept going back to it, joking around about it the entire evening.

After a night of trannie references, I'm starting to wonder if trannies really turn him on and perhaps this is his way of reaching out for acceptance?

Or maybe he IS a trannie?

Thoughts?

Sounds odd to me...that fellow needs a roll in the hay with a full grown enthusiastic woman. That'll straighten him right out.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:35 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 25):

Five speed or five speed plus overdrive?

Definitely a "stick" shift!

I kid, I kid. I know several transgendered persons too, and believe me - their courage is amazing.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:38 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 25):
Five speed or five speed plus overdrive?

5 speed stick shift looking to convert to six speed auto.  Big grin
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:47 pm



Quoting Jessb (Reply 27):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 25):
Five speed or five speed plus overdrive?

5 speed stick shift looking to convert to six speed auto.

Cool. I'm kind of like a cylinder head or a power steering pump myself.


 Wink  Wink

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 26):
believe me - their courage is amazing.

That's a fact, Jack. Anyone who'd want to tackle that and the crap that goes along with it that people are going to dish out has got a lotta huevos, man.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:48 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
Actually I've got trans friends. It was pretty much unanimous between them that "trannie" was offensive. If anything trannie is discriminatory.

I grew up knowing some, too. We all used "tranny" as the term. Although, we said it with a "y" and not an "ie".

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
There's being non-PC, and just downright rude.

Well then I'm really glad that I don't care what you think. You seem like you're wound a little too tight and I won't go out of my way to not offend you.

Quoting Jessb (Reply 23):
Transvestites, who just dress in the clothes.
Transgender, those who like to blur the line between the genders.
and Transsexuals, those who feel they were born in the wrong body and seek help to change temselves to their real gender.

People need to read an understand this actually. The misinfo on the three terms is so common.

I spent years working and hanging out in NYC nightlife, and can say I pretty much saw it all. I cast no judgments on people who live a trans life of course, and same the for people that are into them. Here, we're just goofin on a friend of ours, and if he's for real with the tranny stuff, no biggie. It's just us breakin his balls (no pun). I just wanted to emphasize that.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:03 pm

Personally, I tend not to take offence at anything anymore. I'm more than comfortable with myself to care little for those who would object. for me, I don't have a choice. I did a lot of damage to my mental heath trying to deal with the whole thing without help. These days, not a problem.

I wish your friend well. Plus, many will tell of the heart ache and such, but there are a hell of a lot of funny moments that happen as well. I love to joke about the whole thing, because there really is a lot of humour to be found.

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:45 pm



Quoting Jessb (Reply 23):
For the record, I don't like being called a 'trannie' Makes me feel like a gearbox.

When I think of a "tranny" I too think of a transmission in an auto.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:54 pm



Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 29):
Well then I'm really glad that I don't care what you think. You seem like you're wound a little too tight and I won't go out of my way to not offend you.

I'm not wound too tight at all - It's just I get annoyed when people seem to be a bit pig ignorant to terms people may find offensive. Trannie is a bit of a blunt word to use, and considered by the majority to be offensive and rude. Before you go off ranting about it, I've been on the receiving end of all the names under the sun for my orientation. It's not nice. Like to see you live a week in for example Jess' shoes. You'd not like it.

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:11 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
Actually I've got trans friends. It was pretty much unanimous between them that "trannie" was offensive. If anything trannie is discriminatory.

I have Trans friends too and they all use the word tranny so get over it. Words aren't discriminatory it is the attititude and intent behind them that are.

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 32):
I'm not wound too tight at all - It's just I get annoyed when people seem to be a bit pig ignorant to terms people may find offensive.

I second the wound too tight comment. Get over your self and actually read what the guy wrote. I've be willing to bet he's a hell of a lot more open minded than you. People who get hung up on terminology tend to be the most close minded of all.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:53 pm

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 33):
Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 19):
Actually I've got trans friends. It was pretty much unanimous between them that "trannie" was offensive. If anything trannie is discriminatory.

I have Trans friends too and they all use the word tranny so get over it. Words aren't discriminatory it is the attititude and intent behind them that are.

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 32):
I'm not wound too tight at all - It's just I get annoyed when people seem to be a bit pig ignorant to terms people may find offensive.

I second the wound too tight comment. Get over your self and actually read what the guy wrote. I've be willing to bet he's a hell of a lot more open minded than you. People who get hung up on terminology tend to be the most close minded of all.

Nigger.
Kyke.
Oreo.
Cunt.
Redskin.
Towel Head.

Try using these in normal conversation with people who would be in these groups, and be sure to have a "good" attitude when using them. See where it gets you.

Why do people get wound up by these words? And why is it OK for the "target group" to use them but not "you"? Because the words were used to denigrate and degrade and the targeted group are trying to come to terms with them and take the power of the words from those that used them to denigrate. If you are considered part of, or close to, the target group (friends, family, etc.) it may be seen as OK because you are friendly with the people targeted but I bet you wouldn't use the words without explanation when with people that you don't know of that group.

I don't agree that the targeted groups using them is a good thing because its keeps the words alive in the public discourse. But ultimately it is the target group that gets to decide where and when they are acceptable to use, not the general public at large. Doesn't mean the words won't get used but that's where "morally OK" line gets drawn (yes, I know, we all hate having to be PC).

I am not criticizing the posters here who are using words innocently and intending no offense, nor am I saying that the posters who are responding negatively are the arbiters of what is proper. They are simply giving their opinion, the opinion of someone "inside" the target group, of how they feel about a words use. Whether you choose to follow their advice or not is up to you and how you want to be perceived in the world. Think about it.

And lastly, I hope people understand that I am using words here to make a point, not to abuse or be cruel to people. I, like probably everyone here, avoid using "those words" in public and understand why their are deemed offensive.

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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:45 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
that means that one day he will come dresses up and he wants you to play "house" with him/her (Whatever).

More like "guess my hardware/software."

Quoting Doona (Reply 22):
I just call them "icky"... duck

Interestingly, no one found that offensive?

Quoting Jessb (Reply 23):
the best thing you can do is treat him as normal,

Not sure I could do that if he were straight!  Wink

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 26):
their courage is amazing.

Intensely courageous. I've seen an episode of "Sex Change Hospital" on late night cable. I'm amazed at the amount of courage to go through life like that.

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 32):
It's just I get annoyed when people seem to be a bit pig ignorant to terms people may find offensive

AJD, as you have seen above, the usage of the terms affects all differently. I didn't mean to peeve anyone off with my use of the word trannie, but considering the person I speak of used it, its fair game, IMHO.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:56 pm

I opened this thread, read the replies, and I am going to pass. I have enough problems dealing with the economy and this insane country.  Smile
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:20 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 34):
Nigger.
Kyke.
Oreo.
Cunt.
Redskin.
Towel Head.

Try using these in normal conversation with people who would be in these groups, and be sure to have a "good" attitude when using them. See where it gets you.

Depends on how it's used. I might call my brother in law a cracker, but if a stranger says it they better be smiling.

Witness the excessive use of the derivative 'nigga', niggaz (plural) in rap. If I used that terminology in mixed company I best be ready for a fight.

So it's context as much as it is content.
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RE: In The Closet Transexual?

Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:35 am



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 35):

Not sure I could do that if he were straight! Wink

Normal's Overrated. Besides I'm not really sure who came up with normal anyway.

Technically I'm a 'lesbian'. Not really into men. If I'd have liked them that much, I'd have stayed one!!! Plus I don't think my wife would be to happy.

I'm not really into labelling anyone, and calling my fellow transsexuals 'trannies, Tgirls, shemales' and such just doesn't seem right. I can remember talking to a good friend who didn't know about me at the time. She was telling me about tranny's she knew. Oh how I laughed when she told me that 'they' prefer to be called 'queer'. From my point of view, please if you must call me something, call me 'miss' or 'ma'am'
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