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How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:08 pm

I was wondering if anyone has watched any older movies (like Patton, Terminator, First Blood) on Blu Ray and how you thought they looked? Is there a significant improvement on the Blu Ray over an upconverted dvd?
 
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:12 pm

To be honest, I don't really see a difference between Blu Ray and DVD...
 
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:21 pm

Blu ray just uses blue light with a shorter wavelength so more data can be stored on a disk. It won't make any difference to the quality. If the original film has been remastered or whatever then that's where there'll be any quality improvement
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:22 pm

I have Bullitt on bluray. It looks ok, I guess. Kind of grainy to be honest. I think bluray is better suited for newer digitally filmed movies.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:37 pm



Quoting Jaws707 (Thread starter):
Patton

This movie was known for being shot with very good equipment. I wouldn't be surprised if the BR was very noticeably better than the DVD (depending on your TV's capabilities of course).

The whole discussion of "quality" if often misguided if we don't know what TV, player, etc one is using. Given a quality master (say significantly better than the resolving capabilities of BR or DVD so that the BR/DVD medium is not the limiting factor), the differences between BR and DVD are quite significant on anything bigger than say a 40" screen.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 3):
I have Bullitt on bluray. It looks ok, I guess. Kind of grainy to be honest. I think bluray is better suited for newer digitally filmed movies.

If you're referring to a movie made in 1968, I would think that the BR is simply revealing the grain of the original film. I do understand where you are coming from with your comment about BR being better suited to newer/digital movies. However, BR is a significantly higher resolution medium (which nobody disputes). It's kind of like a "beer goggles" effect - the lower resolution DVD was just masking the flaws.

Quoting Jaws707 (Thread starter):
I was wondering if anyone has watched any older movies (like Patton, Terminator, First Blood) on Blu Ray and how you thought they looked? Is there a significant improvement on the Blu Ray over an upconverted dvd?

My best short answer is this:

Within the resolving capabilities of the DVD/BR, the more important consideration is the quality of the master tape. Having said this, a production company may be more likely to remaster a feature if they believe that the BR (or any other advanced medium) will reveal shortcomings of an older film.

Will a BR look better than the same feature on an older medium? Highly likely.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:13 pm



Quoting Jaws707 (Thread starter):
Is there a significant improvement on the Blu Ray over an upconverted dvd?

Depends on the film. Patton, The Terminator, and First Blood all look pretty much the same on my upconverter dvd as they do on Blue Ray. In reality I'm not too impressed with the upconverter dvd player. I don't see a huge difference between my regular dvd player and the upconverted product.

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
To be honest, I don't really see a difference between Blu Ray and DVD...

Here again it depends on what film you are talking about. The first BR disc I bought was The Great Raid and at first I thought there was a problem with the disc until I realized I was seeing the beads of sweat and flecks of dirt on the actors face. It's a lot like the first time you watch a football (American football, the real kind  Wink ) in true HD. It takes few seconds and then you realized you can actually make out the peoples faces in the stands where as with normal tv they are usually just a blur. It takes a little while into the film to start seeing all the details your mind is used to not seeing. I would think this would present a whole new set of challanges to film makers.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 3):
I have Bullitt on bluray. It looks ok, I guess. Kind of grainy to be honest. I think bluray is better suited for newer digitally filmed movies.

I have Bullitt as well and the grains are from the original master film. If the source is corrupted no way is the BR disc going to compensate for that, in fact it will probably enhance them. Again, as has been mentioned a lot will have to do with what your BR is hooked up too. It will also have a lot to do with when the film was made. The newer Star Wars movies still look a lot better than the remastered originals because they were filmed with HD in mind. Same with the Rocky films. Rocky 1 was a rather low budget affair and even an upconverted dvd shows that. "Balboa", this last film was done with HD in mind and it shows, especially in the fight scene.

To those who say they can't see a difference between BR and DVD or even HD DVD, you need a better television.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:40 pm



Quoting Molykote (Reply 4):
This movie was known for being shot with very good equipment. I wouldn't be surprised if the BR was very noticeably better than the DVD (depending on your TV's capabilities of course).

I agree- Patton was filmed remarkably well, in terms of the camera work itself (not to mention the cinematography, which remains incredible today) and the film. It holds up tremendously well given that it’s 38 years old.


I too thought BluRay was merely a formatting issue but doesn’t change or improve the source unless it’s already in HD.
 
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:20 pm

IIRC, Patton was shot on 65mm so, given a top notch transfer, should look great on BD (I don't know if they used the same master as for the latest DVD release, though).

2001 (1968) looks fantastic on BD; can't wait for Lawrence of Arabia.
 
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:38 pm

For Christmas my girlfriend and I splurged on a 40" Samsung HD-LCD along with a Samsung Blue-Ray DVD player.

The BR movies are just incredible by comparison to a regular DVD. In fact we just watched Journey To The Centre Of The Earth in 3D and although the colour is a little distorted with those pesky glasses, it was all-in-all quite awesome.

That being said, we have also been enjoying watching some older movies on regular DVD being played through the BR and we have found that the quality is also significantly more enhanced. This may be due to the fact that we are watching them on the new LCD compared to having watched them initially on a 32" regular CRT-TV, but we are certainly enjoying our older DVD collection all over again.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:00 pm

Blu-ray also looks significantly better on a 1080p HDTV (as opposed to 720p/1080i).

In addition to Patton, I heard The Godfather trilogy looks great on Blu-ray.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:24 pm

To add to what has been mentioned above, a BluRay version of the film is limited in quality to the equipment used in filming. In reality, older films can look worse on BluRay than regular DVD, as the BluRay will enhance defects and the limitations of the equipment used. That said, a film shot with HD cameras will look stunning on a BluRay DVD player and an HD television. Watching it on a BluRay player, and a regular TV will not improve the picture quality at all, as the picture will be limited to your TV's resolution.

There has been some confusion about the difference between BluRay DVD and HDDVD. The only real difference is the format, similar to the VHS/Beta formats back in the 80's. Simply put, they are just different ways of doing the same thing. The advantage to BluRay of HD, is the blue laser is a shorter wavelength, allowing more content per disc.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:52 am



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
To be honest, I don't really see a difference between Blu Ray and DVD...

What are you watching it on because if it isn't a 1080p plasma or 120Hz LCD the difference is not worth getting it unless you have the right hardware.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:03 am



Quoting Don81603 (Reply 10):
difference between BluRay DVD and HDDVD. The only real difference is the format,

And that HD DVD has gone the way of Beta......
 
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:16 am



Quoting Molykote (Reply 4):
The whole discussion of "quality" if often misguided if we don't know what TV, player, etc one is using.

That is what I was thinking.
In fact, I am sticking with my CRT television set because older movies (which is what I mostly like anyway) looks much better on a CRT than on a flat screen.
Perhaps they may look decent on a plasma screen but I am not going to fork over the big bucks for a plasma screen.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 4):
the differences between BR and DVD are quite significant on anything bigger than say a 40" screen.

Something I probably would never buy anyway.
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RE: How Do Older Movies Look On Blu Ray?

Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:30 am



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
To be honest, I don't really see a difference between Blu Ray and DVD...



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 9):
Blu-ray also looks significantly better on a 1080p HDTV (as opposed to 720p/1080i).

Some HDTV are not even 1080i digital but standard.Also,if you're comparing analog signal with digital signal by using PIP(picture-in-picture) most PIP projections are all
analog.

But the bottom line, buying BluRay and with the high cost of BluRay discs ,IMHO,is just a waste of money unless you have a 1080p TV feeds so you can see the difference in both old or new movies.
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