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It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:20 am

Today in the Australian media we read that two Australian brothers died when an ice shelf at New Zealand's Fox Glacier collapsed upon them (one was an Aerospace Engineer - if that matters). They had crossed a safety barrier to take photos.

A year ago two people died and another survived being washed down a stormwater drain. They were graffiti "artists" trespassing at the time and were probably under the influence of alcohol.

Then there are countless reports of young drivers dying in car accidents. But "they went to a good private school" say the media.

In both cases we have media painting the events as a terrible tragedy, quoting friends and Facebook users extolling the virtues of the victims, painting them in a positive light.

I sympathise with friends and family, and it is best to remember those who have passed away by their positive attributes. However, I think that society would be better server by highlighting the stupidity of their actions in the media. Be brutal. They were dumb, they died. You be dumb, you can die too. You drink too much, you drive too fast, you ignore the warnings and if you die or suffer injury, it's your fault. You kill someone else, you are a murderer. You are not a hero, you're an idiot

Don't celebrate stupidity.
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:29 am

Rather callous assumptions there. Basically what you've said is that if you caused your own death. You deserved it. As someone who sees daily what happens to those left behind as well as those that were killed. I think what you're saying is incredibly narrow minded. Because, after all, im sure you've NEVER done anything stupid nor EVER will. People are human. People will make mistakes. People will die from their mistakes. But to say they deserved it? Thats wrong.
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:30 am



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
People are human. People will make mistakes. People will die from their mistakes. But to say they deserved it? Thats wrong.

Of course people make mistakes, do something adventurous, take a few risks, maybe die. People can, and should climb mountains, jump out of aircraft, drive fast around a racing track. But they should be properly prepared and that includes being prepared for the consequences of their actions. And as I said, I don't wish to punish those left behind. It's usually not their fault, and even if it is, they will be suffering too.

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on schoolkids in cars - their brains aren't fully formed yet. And children will do what children do. But the other two examples are of supposed adults who are old enough to read and understand the risks.

What irritates me is that we have the media glorifying the victims of these incidents. Instead of writing "He was a good bloke. Sure, he may have frequently drunk too much alcohol, broken into and defaced public property, taken stupid risks and encouraged others to do so. But he was a role model and we should all look up to him." maybe it should just be:

"Joe Bloggs died when he was washed away in a storm drain while spraying graffiti. He is survived by distraught family." You can leave it at that or you can continue... " Storm drains are dangerous because... Each year x people die...blah blah."

Anything to educate others not to make those silly decisions.
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:54 am

I have been to that glacier. I can tell you now that it would be absolute stupidity to go anywhere near the ice face. It's a scary looking thing.

They didn't deserve to die, of course, but they died, in a sense by their own hand.

Maybe we should blame the glacier and have it destroyed. Use a really big hair dryer?
 
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:59 am



Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 3):
Use a really big hair dryer?

Naa, according to Al Gore, it'll be gone soon anyways  biggrin 
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:03 am

http://timetoeatthedogs.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/darwin.jpg

Another two proving the man was right.
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:10 am

Every year, people climb Mt Hood, Oregon's highest peak. Not a big deal. I would like to do it. However, every year, some of those climbers set out knowing full well there is a blizzard coming and knowing full well that if, God forbid, something go wrong, they will not be able to get help for a few days. Some people just don't think....
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:15 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 6):
Some people just don't think....

I've just been reminded of senior management who are frequently demanding that us underlings make things happen without considering the consequences (time and money wasted, nobody uses the things). Yet they are the ones who are feted and paid more.

We really don't celebrate thinking ahead.
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:40 am

The fact that those that die due in large part due to ignoring common sense or well set rules as with the 2 young men in the Fox Glacier incident should be a major part of any news article. I took a guided hike on Fox Glacier in June 1994 and followed the instructions at all times to miminise the risk. (I also did a bungee jump a few days earler, from a professional facility).
 
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RE: It's Stupidity, Not Tragedy

Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:52 am

Many deaths, including those of the two men at Fox Glacier, are caused by people crossing safety barriers in order to take photographs.

Should we be arguing that high zoom lenses and Photoshop training are essential safety items?  Smile
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