jcs17
Posts: 7376
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2001 11:13 am

Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:32 pm

http://schumer.senate.gov/SchumerWeb...ssroom/press_releases/PR02326.html

The always-good-for-a-laugh, Charles Schumer (D-NY), in 2004 proudly announced a $200,000 program for "Geesepeace." Instead of using time-testing culling methods, like actually killing geese, this group sought to promote other non-lethal methods whose performance is highly questionable. Of course, Geesepeace is your typical environmentalist group that promotes the value of goose life more than human life.

Quote:
Federal funds will go towards "Geesepeace" program for New York that uses humane methods to stop Canadian geese from ruining parks and fields

US Senator Charles E. Schumer today announced that Congress has passed $200,000 in federal funds for the US Fish and Wildlife Service to implement a Geesepeace program that works to alleviate the Canada geese overpopulation problem that threatens the health of local residents and the environment. Geesepeace is a national non-profit organization that uses non-lethal methods to reduce the number of geese and redirect them to areas where they pose less of a threat to people. The funds come as part of the agricultural appropriations component of the Omnibus bill passed today by the Senate and have been earmarked to be used specifically for New York. The bill, previously passed by the House, now awaits the President's signature.



Quote:
Geesepeace uses environmentally-safe and non-lethal methods to reduce the number of geese and redirect them away from public places. The process includes close coordination with residents, and recruitment and training of volunteers. "Addling" of geese eggs – a process akin to spaying or neutering a dog in which the eggs are coated with oil – is the first step in the solution developed by Geesepeace and used successfully in many areas of the country. Schumer visited the Hudson Valley last year to promote the program and at the time vowed to fight for these funds. The $200,000 for Geesepeace will be split evenly between the Hudson Valley and Long Island

When is the insanity with these environmentalist groups going to stop? Every year hundreds of homes burn down in forest fires because it has been made illegal (thanks to the enviro-Nazis) to clear brush in some regions of the country. Now we have a Senator from New York, who couldn't find a microphone fast enough to proclaim the captain of 1549 a hero, whose pet environmental project for "Geesepeace" is a complete dud.

I'm not saying Chuck directly caused the crash, but the environmental nuts have their hand so far down the Democrats pants to that you can see the human effects.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
 
scrubbsywg
Posts: 1095
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:35 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:48 pm

im ignorant on this subject, but why us geesepeace a dud?
 
connies4ever
Posts: 3393
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:54 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:57 pm

The geese will be tough to kill, if that's what they intend to do. They're smart and resourceful, even trying to control them on a golf course is hard work. I would guess poison would be the route, but there are bound to be unanticipated 'side effects' -- not to mention the usual litigation from various groups and/or agencies.

I think the best they might do is reduce the problem, but not eliminate it.

Shumer is a windbag, though.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
User avatar
mariner
Posts: 18198
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:29 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:38 pm

I'm with Eddie Izzard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyLLlrUmN3o

 Smile

mariner
aeternum nauta
 
RussianJet
Posts: 5982
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:15 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:43 pm

Geese should be eaten. Goose is thoroughly delicious meat. If we could find a way to tempt them away from airports and onto my plate, all would be well.
✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
 
seb146
Posts: 13928
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:19 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:16 am



Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):
Instead of using time-testing culling methods, like actually killing geese, this group sought to promote other non-lethal methods whose performance is highly questionable.

So, poisoning geese and letting the carcasses rot and having all those chemicals and bacteria get into groundwater is okay? This just opens another option. This gives people trying to control geese populations another way of doing so.

Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):
Every year hundreds of homes burn down in forest fires because it has been made illegal (thanks to the enviro-Nazis)

Um... There is a lot of land here in the West. If you care to hire 10 or so people to clear the brush, you go right ahead. Oregon has crews trying to clear brush when they can, but they also tell home owners in rural areas to clear brush because Dept of Forestry simply does not have the manpower to do it. AFAIK, there have been no laws passed by the enviro-Nazis to keep undergrowth from being cleared.

But, 'tis the season to take out the Dems, I guess.
Patriotic and Proud Liberal
 
User avatar
airportugal310
Posts: 3217
Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:49 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:43 am



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Geese should be eaten. Goose is thoroughly delicious meat. If we could find a way to tempt them away from airports and onto my plate, all would be well.

im going to second that
I sell airplanes and airplane accessories
 
User avatar
stasisLAX
Posts: 2924
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:04 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:57 am



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 2):
The geese will be tough to kill, if that's what they intend to do. They're smart and resourceful, even trying to control them on a golf course is hard work. I would guess poison would be the route, but there are bound to be unanticipated 'side effects' -- not to mention the usual litigation from various groups and/or agencies.

Falcons (the bird species, not the bizjet) and owls are natural predators of geese. We need to have some more falcons and/or owls in residence around airports, IMO.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
 
N867DA
Posts: 928
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:53 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:01 am

Long live the geese!

If I ever move to New York Chuck Schumer has my vote!

[Edited 2009-01-17 21:22:31]
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
 
mham001
Posts: 4237
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:52 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:01 am

I wish more of these lifelong politicians would be held accountable for their past decisions that have been moronic. We have a bunch in California who keep playing musical chairs because of term limits who never seem responsible for where we are today.
 
connies4ever
Posts: 3393
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:54 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:48 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 7):
Falcons (the bird species, not the bizjet) and owls are natural predators of geese. We need to have some more falcons and/or owls in residence around airports, IMO.

The geese I'm familiar with are Lesser and Greater Canadas, and Brants. The Canadas are 12 pounds and more sometimes. I don't see a falcon going after one of these. My understanding is they like mice, voles, and sometimes starlings.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
cptkrell
Posts: 3186
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:50 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:58 pm

Schumer's not going to get very far with $200,000. The Hudson Bay area is the largest concentration of Canadian Geese, about one million. They can get to a 6 foot wingspan and 20 lbs if they avoid large pax jets. A normal predator is the Perigrine Falcon. [url=http:// www.pestproducts.comcanadagoose.htm]



...there was a blip on FOX about "Falcon-equipped Geese Police" yesterday. Regards...jack
all best; jack
 
connies4ever
Posts: 3393
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:54 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:57 pm



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 11):
Schumer's not going to get very far with $200,000. The Hudson Bay area is the largest concentration of Canadian Geese, about one million. They can get to a 6 foot wingspan and 20 lbs if they avoid large pax jets. A normal predator is the Perigrine Falcon. [url=http:// www.pestproducts.comcanadagoose.htm]

I believe YVR (Vancouver) has been using something like this for a while now, both for geese and starlings.

As for Peregrines predating geese, I'd believe the goslings might be vulnerable to a lightning attack, but not the adults. Females are only about 3 lbs max, compared to a Canada goose it's a runt. Mind you, I've seen a few peregrines around here and I must say they are fabulous looking birds.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10890
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:33 pm



Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):
When is the insanity with these environmentalist groups going to stop? Every year hundreds of homes burn down in forest fires because it has been made illegal (thanks to the enviro-Nazis) to clear brush in some regions of the country. Now we have a Senator from New York, who couldn't find a microphone fast enough to proclaim the captain of 1549 a hero, whose pet environmental project for "Geesepeace" is a complete dud.

Though the site of Schumer sickens me he has a point. We can't just go exterminating wildlife because they are living in their natural habitat. Remember we share this world, don't own it.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Geese should be eaten. Goose is thoroughly delicious meat. If we could find a way to tempt them away from airports and onto my plate, all would be well.

Easy just build a big pond in your backyard.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 10):
The geese I'm familiar with are Lesser and Greater Canadas, and Brants. The Canadas are 12 pounds and more sometimes. I don't see a falcon going after one of these. My understanding is they like mice, voles, and sometimes starlings.

No, in NY the Canada Goose has no predators the Pelegrine is not seen too much in the US, you have a better chance of seeing it in Africa and Australia.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
RussianJet
Posts: 5982
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:15 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:56 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Easy just build a big pond in your backyard.

Would that I had a garden big enough for a lake suitable for geese..... frown 

Quoting N867DA (Reply 8):
Long live the geese!

Well, live long enough for them to get nice and plump and make it to my plate..... smile 
✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
 
windy95
Posts: 2658
Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:11 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:13 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Would that I had a garden big enough for a lake suitable for geese.....

In the Chicago area they are like rats. Quite the pest. Nothing that a longer open season would not cure. If your subdivision had a pond you could eat well for a very long time. They are not afrais of hamnas so you can walk right up to them and grab them by the neck. And Presto you can have a nice 10 or 12 lb goose for dinner.
 
N867DA
Posts: 928
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:53 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:07 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Well, live long enough for them to get nice and plump and make it to my plate.....

No, live long enough so they die naturally.

We have a large Canada goose population here. They're always a nice sight to see!
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
 
RussianJet
Posts: 5982
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:15 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:12 pm



Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):
We have a large Canada goose population here. They're always a nice sight to see!

I like geese too, and not just to eat.
✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
 
cptkrell
Posts: 3186
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:50 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:00 am

NIKV69 sez "just build a big pond" (for the Canadian Gesse). Hmmm... we had a pond (about a 15 or 20 acre pond) in front of styling @ GM Tech Center that to this day attract those buggers by the uncountable load-full. They attack passersby around the pond at lunch break and crap like small buffalo and render the area in general quite the mess.

Years ago GM undertook a mission to eliminate the geese, but when the bleeding hearts got wind of the program they raised bloody hell and the corporation for public relations reasons had to undertake, at a cost of many hundreds of thousands of dollars I might add, a "PETA-style" program to reduce the flock to a somewhat more manageable number. I don't know if the program is still in effect, but do know that the agencies that assisted the homeless and foodless in Detroit refused to accept goose-meat as a charitable donation at that time.

My pond here in the hollow is quite small. I limit my traveling Canadian Goose vacationers to a total of 5. Anymore than that get dispatched via rifle (or shotgun as the case may be). The latter renders the meat in such a way as to be good foodstuffs for varmints and vultures so I can't attest to the taste.

regards...jack
all best; jack
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10890
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:52 am



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 18):
They attack passersby around the pond at lunch break and crap like small buffalo and render the area in general quite the mess.

A Canada Goose usually will only attack if you go near their young which if you are that foolish you deserve it.

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 18):
Years ago GM undertook a mission to eliminate the geese, but when the bleeding hearts got wind of the program they raised bloody hell and the corporation for public relations reasons had to undertake, at a cost of many hundreds of thousands of dollars I might add, a "PETA-style" program to reduce the flock to a somewhat more manageable number. I don't know if the program is still in effect, but do know that the agencies that assisted the homeless and foodless in Detroit refused to accept goose-meat as a charitable donation at that time.

Bleeding hearts? You do understand that you just can't destroy wildlife because you don't want to have them around. Most states have fair hunting laws and seasons that control the population but they have a right to exist same as you do. Don't need to be a bleeding heart to understand that.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
windy95
Posts: 2658
Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:11 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:07 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Bleeding hearts? You do understand that you just can't destroy wildlife because you don't want to have them around. Most states have fair hunting laws and seasons that control the population but they have a right to exist same as you do.

That is the problem. The hunting needs to be extended. WIthout a natural predator having been pretty much wiped out some animals like Deer and Geese need to be culled.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
A Canada Goose usually will only attack if you go near their young which if you are that foolish you deserve it.

No they will attack even without the young.
 
User avatar
mariner
Posts: 18198
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:29 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:11 am



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Geese should be eaten. Goose is thoroughly delicious meat. If we could find a way to tempt them away from airports and onto my plate, all would be well.

From my experience, wild goose, like wild duck, isn't worth the eating. It's tough and stringy and plucking 'em to get rid of all the quills is a pain in the butt. I'm a pretty good cook, but I've never found a way to make 'em tender.

I have friends, hunters, who rave about it, but I've never seen the point, especially when they've used a shotgun and you have to try and get rid of the pellets.

Let 'em fly.

mariner
aeternum nauta
 
N867DA
Posts: 928
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:53 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:33 am



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 20):
No they will attack even without the young.

I fed Canada geese and Mallard ducks for about five years at the local pond. Never ever, on the days that I had bread or just went to watch them did they attack me. I've stood smack dab in the middle of 20 or 30 of them and all they'll do is stare at the bag of bread. The only real small pain they cause is partly my fault: some of the more trusting ones eat pieces of bread from my hand. Every once in a while their aim falters and they bite my hand instead of the bread (talk about biting the hand that feeds you!) They nest at a more secluded place nearby.

There are these white ducks with orange beaks and legs that would get pretty vicious. If you had bread they start jabbing at you and if you don't they make a hissing noise at you. Perhaps a few Canada geese do it, but by and large...nope.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Bleeding hearts? You do understand that you just can't destroy wildlife because you don't want to have them around. Most states have fair hunting laws and seasons that control the population but they have a right to exist same as you do. Don't need to be a bleeding heart to understand that.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with NIKV69 on an issue but  checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
 
bhmbaglock
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:51 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
No, in NY the Canada Goose has no predators the Pelegrine is not seen too much in the US, you have a better chance of seeing it in Africa and Australia.

Peregrines are actually well distributed in the US. You won't find them everywhere at all times but they're by no means uncommon.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
A Canada Goose usually will only attack if you go near their young which if you are that foolish you deserve it.

Bravo Sierra on that. I've been on walkways 10 ft or more from them when they've come after me. The flock needs thinning.
Where are all of my respected members going?
 
cptkrell
Posts: 3186
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:50 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:10 am

Doggone right, BHMBAGLOCK, as many unwary secretaries at lunchtime as well as more than a few health-nut types sashaying around GM's pond can testify to. They are particularly ornery before during and after hatching but are still never trustworthy during an unintended close encounter.

Not to mention the slips-and-falls in their their poop. To those who say we are encroaching on their wildlife habitat, I sez the are Canadian Geese...send 'em back! ...jack
all best; jack
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10890
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:32 am



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 20):
That is the problem. The hunting needs to be extended. WIthout a natural predator having been pretty much wiped out some animals like Deer and Geese need to be culled.

They are, What do you want to do just wipe them out? They numbers are not that great. I mean a knee jerk reaction because a commercial airliner had to ditch is not reason to bring a species like the Canada goose on the verge of endangerment. Which some years ago they were.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 22):
I can't believe I'm agreeing with NIKV69 on an issue but

Three checkmarks! I am honored.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 20):
No they will attack even without the young.



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 23):
Bravo Sierra on that. I've been on walkways 10 ft or more from them when they've come after me. The flock needs thinning

I am calling Delta Bravo Sierra on this. I have worked at a golf courses on the water for years with huge bunches of these geese and shot at JFK for years near them at the water and unless they have goslings them, the Brant and the Swans flee as soon as a human gets near. Sounds like you have been watching Alfred Hitchcock's movie "The Birds" if you leave them and their young along they want to just live in their own habitat they aren't going to start attacking us for no reason.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
cptkrell
Posts: 3186
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:50 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:47 am

NKV69...and I have seen them attack on a regular basis for about 16 years. Maybe it's the industrial pollutants Detroit spills out that makes them go goofy  Smile

You also wrote: "They (sic) numbers are not that great." The info I accessed (my Rep 11)states the Hudson Bay area population at about one million.

I don't think anyone is talking about terminating the species. Just get 'em away from areas where they create an endangerment to OUR species. regards...jack

P.S. There is a report on the news as I type this about a flock of geese forcing down a medivac helicopter in Arkansas.
all best; jack
 
N867DA
Posts: 928
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:53 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:25 am



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 26):
Maybe it's the industrial pollutants Detroit spills out that makes them go goofy Smile

It must be. As I mentioned the ones in metro Atlanta (and the bunch I visited in San Francisco) were very erm, well behaved. I bet the Canadians are feeding them something in Windsor before sending them to Detroit!  duck 
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
 
RussianJet
Posts: 5982
Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:15 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:32 am



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 26):
P.S. There is a report on the news as I type this about a flock of geese forcing down a medivac helicopter in Arkansas.

Those pesky geese! That's one incident too many! They're clearly getting out of control, time to take decisive action - let's eat them all and be done with it!  smile 
✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
 
connies4ever
Posts: 3393
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:54 pm

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:11 am



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 23):
Bravo Sierra on that. I've been on walkways 10 ft or more from them when they've come after me. The flock needs thinning.

They're very territorial creatures by nature, but much more so when raising the goslings. On the golf course when the goslings are pecking about, always keep a club in your hand for defense !

They do need culling, there's so many of them in Canada right now the shoreline in some places around Hudson Bay is sudsiding due to their destruction of the foliage. Not to mention their increasingly irritating squatting on golf courses and parks. Four geese are beautiful and graceful to watch. Four hundred (or thousand) are not.

I could say the same about white tail deer. There's more now than there's ever been.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
N867DA
Posts: 928
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 12:53 am

RE: Charles Schumer And Geesepeace

Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:28 am



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 29):
Four hundred (or thousand) are not.

Oh man, I'd take a vacation just to be around 4000 Canada geese!
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: coolian2, Yahoo [Bot] and 6 guests