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Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:43 pm

Ah ah,

In a last attempt to "punish France", the Bush administration has tripled the already very high tariffs on French cheese "Roquefort". By the way, it's a bit strange, considering the goal is to lift the EUROPEAN ban on hormon-full meat coming from the USA (yes we refuse to give hormons to our children, that's true).

As a consequence, France will soon have no money left (everybody knows in the US that Roquefort is the only source of income for the French).

Bush, we'll miss you !

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My God, we're doomed  cry 
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Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:53 pm

I think the W. Bush Roquefort cheese ban is just a diversion. The national and exterior debt indicators for France are showing that the country's bankruptcy may very well happen in a near future even without the Roquefort ban.
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
The national and exterior debt indicators for France are showing that the country's bankruptcy may very well happen in a near future even without the Roquefort ban.

??

Are you serious ? Perhaps you listen too much to Sarkozy. The one who said that France was bankrupt before he decided to increase the debt.
Actually, the debt is 65% of the GDP in France, and 72% in the USA.

But as you probably noted, this was not the subject of my post ...
 
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Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:58 pm



Quoting Sebolino (Thread starter):
As a consequence, France will soon have no money left (everybody knows in the US that Roquefort is the only source of income for the French).

I don't know any Americans who even buy French cheese. I don't see it at the store. I do know many people, including me, buy cheese from the UK.
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 4):
I don't know any Americans who even buy French cheese. I don't see it at the store. I do know many people, including me, buy cheese from the UK.

English cheese?! And what do you have, then, apart from cheddar? Big grin
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Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:03 pm

Dang, add the ban on Roquefort cheese to the existing ban on French Fries (AKA Freedom Fries) and the France is doomed. In a strange twist French dressing is still around to subsidize the French coffers. Rumor has it that the evil Bush/Cheney partnership has a monopoly on the French dressing wells in the US and will not part with the income (well their advisers tell them that they have such wells but the facts may prove otherwise.)

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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
English cheese?! And what do you have, then, apart from cheddar?

Just the question I was going to ask?? Nothing against English cheese, but come on, there is NO comparison whatsoever!
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Well, our American Friends are pleased for sure to buy our Parmesan, gorgonzola and other Italian cheeses just like they prefered the Italian wines over the French ones in the last years. Big grin
 
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Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 8):
Well, our American Friends are pleased for sure to buy our Parmesan, gorgonzola and other Italian cheeses just like they prefered the Italian wines over the French ones in the last years

That's because the quality and the price are cheaper. That's why you can sell better Big grin
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After that last penalty kick in the 06' WC I was wiling to buy you French guys all the cheese you wanted!  biggrin 

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Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 8):
just like they prefered the Italian wines over the French ones in the last years.

Italy might have the biggest share of wine imports in the US in terms of volume, but in terms of value France remains #1.

This is a matter of quantity vs quality.
 
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 7):
Just the question I was going to ask?? Nothing against English cheese, but come on, there is NO comparison whatsoever!

 Smile

The only thing is that most of our cheeses are made with unpasteurized milk. Of course, the French say it's good for health as it strengthens your antibodies. But sometimes, they can contain some really bad germs if procedures were not followed correctly.
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 4):
I don't know any Americans who even buy French cheese. I don't see it at the store. I do know many people, including me, buy cheese from the UK.

I don't know where you shop, but nearly every mainline grocery store in the Chicago area has French cheese, along with Swiss (the country of origin, not the type), Italian, British, Irish, Dutch, etc...

However, the gourmet cheeses are usually kept by the deli counter, as opposed to the packaged cheeses (Kraft, Sargento, etc) which are more likely near the dairy section.

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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
That's because the quality and the price are cheaper.

ahahahaha dream Big grin I have right a bottle of French wine in my garage.. to wash my car. Big grin

Joking..  Smile
 
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
After that last penalty kick in the 06' WC I was wiling to buy you French guys all the cheese you wanted! biggrin

Forza Azurri!

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Quoting AOMlover (Reply 11):
Italy might have the biggest share of wine imports in the US in terms of volume, but in terms of value France remains #1.

Thank you!   

Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 14):
I have right a bottle of French wine in my garage.. to wash my car.

LOL

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Quoting AOMlover (Reply 11):
Italy might have the biggest share of wine imports in the US in terms of volume, but in terms of value France remains #1.

Ehm it seems you don't know much of wine. 

Our French cousins are masters (i must admit) when it comes to name something.. (except Materazzi..) Big grin  

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Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 16):
Ehm it seems you don't know much of wine.

Come on, he's an expert! Can't you see it?

Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 16):
Materazzi.

        

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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
English cheese?! And what do you have, then, apart from cheddar?

In reply here is a list of English cheese listed under product range on the left, so try and enjoy

http://www.churchmousecheeses.com/index.php?mod=category&id_ctg=10

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Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 16):
Ehm it seems you don't know much of wine.

As a French guy whose stepfather is a winemaker, it seems I know a little bit about wine.
 
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Quoting VC10 (Reply 18):
In reply here is a list of English cheese listed under product range on the left, so try and enjoy

I was only pulling the leg Big grin. I know that you have much more than cheddar  Smile

But you're still far from the 1,000+ varieties of cheeses that France has  Wink
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
English cheese?! And what do you have, then, apart from cheddar?

This is why Swiss, Dutch and Italian cheeses will always be better than any other cheese around.  mischievous 

No judgement on Austrian cheeses from me, though I've seen a few tasty looking cheeses from the Voralberg recently.  Wink
 
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):
I don't know where you shop, but nearly every mainline grocery store in the Chicago area has French cheese, along with Swiss (the country of origin, not the type), Italian, British, Irish, Dutch, etc...

I buy my cheeses at the Wine Merchant in Dearborn, MI.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):
However, the gourmet cheeses are usually kept by the deli counter, as opposed to the packaged cheeses (Kraft, Sargento, etc) which are more likely near the dairy section.

There are good cheeses in that section, but around here I don't French cheeses. I
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
But you're still far from the 1,000 varieties of cheeses that France has

Well as the old saying goes

" never equate quantity with quality"


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Quoting VC10 (Reply 23):
never equate quantity with quality

If you say so  Wink
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
This is why Swiss

Arrr yes Swiss cheese , cant beat it . With regards French cheese I like Camembert and Roule and Brie but the rest smell like moldy socks  Big grin
 
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
But you're still far from the 1,000+ varieties of cheeses that France has

Ahem......Believe it or not, there are actually more varieties of cheese produced in the UK than in France!!

This fact has given various UK ambassadors much delight over the years surprising their French counterparts.

(At least according to a TV programme I saw once which had an interview with said ambassadors)

Quoting VC10 (Reply 23):
Well as the old saying goes

" never equate quantity with quality"

  

 

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Quoting BritJap (Reply 26):
Believe it or not, there are actually more varieties of cheese produced in the UK than in France!!

Then, I will just  tapedshut  from now on.



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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 4):
I don't know any Americans who even buy French cheese. I don't see it at the store. I do know many people, including me, buy cheese from the UK.

I have to believe that there is not a single grocery store in America that does not sell Brie.
 
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Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 6):
Don't tell anyone about "French Roast" coffee ...

How about French toast then? But you would not want to make it from American bread. As a US colleague of mine said the only tasteless medium that even the fungii will not attack, so he made his own bread to avoid that particular blight on his life.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 15):
Booooooooooh! Let me call Zidane to headbutt you!

What a brilliant moment that was. Where did he get the practice?

I guess I must know the wrong subset of Americans, all the ones I know do eat French cheese. In fact one made himself ill at the time of the first Fatwah on French cheese just trying to keep the statistics even.
 
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Quoting COrocks (Reply 28):
I have to believe that there is not a single grocery store in America that does not sell Brie.

Falstaff is mistaken. I suggest that his issue is either with his sample set, or he does not look in the right places in those stores he does frequent. He probably also does not hang out with people who eat brie, and it doesn't exclusively have to be the wine and cheese set.
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 29):
I guess I must know the wrong subset of Americans, all the ones I know do eat French cheese. In fact one made himself ill at the time of the first Fatwah on French cheese just trying to keep the statistics even.

There's only two kinds of cheese.

One is orange and the other isn't.

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Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
Arrr yes Swiss cheese , cant beat it . With regards French cheese I like Camembert and Roule and Brie but the rest smell like moldy socks

Try a Munster stuck behind a radiator, and you will really appreciate your socks.  Smile
 
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Quoting BritJap (Reply 26):
Ahem......Believe it or not, there are actually more varieties of cheese produced in the UK than in France!!

Interesting. I found on the web the following numbers: France -> ~400 cheeses, GB -> ~700 cheeses.

However, the production in UK must be really tiny, considering the production numbers:

Top Producers:

USA 4 327
Germany 1 929
France 1 827
Italy 1 102
Netherlands 672

Top Exporters:

France 2 658 441
Germany 2 416 973
Netherlands 2 099 353
Italy 1 253 580
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Quoting Sebolino (Reply 33):
However, the production in UK must be really tiny, considering the production numbers:

33 posts and never a mention of the cheese shop sketch in Monty Python.

Tsk tsk.
 
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 34):
33 posts and never a mention of the cheese shop sketch in Monty Python.

I just had to look it up. Here it is:

YouTube - The Cheese Shop sketch, Monty Python

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Be careful as well concerning the "French cheese" sold outside France. For example, you can buy some nice camembert pretty much everywhere in the world, except that it is not the French one. The name "Camembert" is not protected or registered. Therefore you can find some Australian, American, English, South African, camembert, etc.

I tried the Australian camembert when I was in Sydney last year. Do I have to tell you that it has nothing to do with the French one?  Wink
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
English cheese?! And what do you have, then, apart from cheddar?

Haha, I remember the selection of domestic cheese in England...

Normal Cheddar, Mature Cheddar, Extra Mature Cheddar, White Cheese, Yellow Cheese etc.

But I also bought some English 'fancy' cheese from a deli, not bad at all.
 
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
I just had to look it up. Here it is:

YouTube - The Cheese Shop sketch, Monty Python

Thanks, when prompted so did I, and it turned out I had totally forgotten the music.  Big grin They were good. Arguably better than the parrot sketch. And an interestingly long list of UK cheeses that were not stocked by the hapless M Palin aka Mr Wensleydale.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 36):
I tried the Australian camembert when I was in Sydney last year. Do I have to tell you that it has nothing to do with the French one?

How many varieties of camenbert did you try? Some of our shops stock a couple more than Mr Wensleydale did.
 
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 36):
Do I have to tell you that it has nothing to do with the French one? Wink

Sorry, I quote myself as for whatever reason I cannot edit my post.

I just wanted to add that, even if it had nothing to do with Camembert, it was nonetheless good!
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As long as I can have my Reblochon for my tartiflette  Wink
 
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
No judgement on Austrian cheeses from me, though I've seen a few tasty looking cheeses from the Voralberg recently.

Well, we Vorarlbergians are probably the cheesiest folks in Austria, so we also have the best cheese here  Smile. When I was in the army, stationed at the Hungarian border, we tried to find a decent cheese selection. Impossible, I can tell you...
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 39):
How many varieties of camenbert did you try? Some of our shops stock a couple more than Mr Wensleydale did.

Actually, just one. Don't be offended, but I cannot imagine to find the exact same camembert in Australia than the one made in Normandy, with unpasteurized milk. A camembert should look like this:



The best and truly original camemberts are the following:

http://www.reaux.fr/

http://www.fromageriegillot.fr/

These are made in Normandy, the birthplace of Camembert. They are also made from unpasteurized milk. These are the two best of all.

You cannot say "I know camembert" unless you have tried these two brands. And I really insist on that.

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Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 40):
As long as I can have my Reblochon for my tartiflette

Yummy!  yummy 
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Quoting Sebolino (Reply 33):

Top Producers:

USA 4 327
Germany 1 929
France 1 827
Italy 1 102
Netherlands 672

Top Exporters:

France 2 658 441
Germany 2 416 973
Netherlands 2 099 353
Italy 1 253 580
Denmark 1 122 761

That tells me we eat more cheese than y'all, because you're trying to get rid of the stuff.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 44):
That tells me we eat more cheese than y'all, because you're trying to get rid of the stuff.

Yeah. It seems the real cheese eaters are the Americans, not the French.
 
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 42):
Actually, just one. Don't be offended, but I cannot imagine to find the exact same camembert in Australia than the one made in Normandy, with unpasteurized milk. A camembert should look like this:

Oh don't I know it should. That is one reason why visiting France is so pleasant. That and the bread.

For some odd reason, the camembert from a given Aus maker tends to be less attractive to me compared with their Brie. Yes I know what the differences are and are not supposed to be but mostly in Aus they seem to be honoured in the breach. Next time try (oops tried to spell try as trie - this cheese stuff is getting to me) a double brie and then see if you want to move to the camembert.
 
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 46):
Next time try (oops tried to spell try as trie - this cheese stuff is getting to me) a double brie and then see if you want to move to the camembert.

I will not miss this opportunity!  Smile

I also found some Pont-l'Évêque in Sydney. But the price was something like $100/kg!!
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 46):
Oh don't I know it should. That is one reason why visiting France is so pleasant. That and the bread.

Well I don't know about the cheese, because I don't eat cheese anyway (except melted in tartiflette, raclette or fondue), but the bread is a real robbery nowadays. Since we have the Euro, the price of a baguette is a real scandal : Often more than 1 Euro in real bread shops, for something 50 or 60 cm long.
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Quoting Sebolino (Reply 48):
I remember the good old days, when I bought a real baguette, long and crispy for less than 2 Francs.

Then again one baguette at >1 little furry Australian animal (aka Euro) is better than no baguette at all. Let alone the cheese part of it.

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