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Anti-Terrorism Laws Used To Spy On Noisy Children

Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:41 pm

Anti-Terrorism Laws Used to Spy on Noisy Children
By Chris Hastings, Public Affairs Editor

URL: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...used-to-spy-on-noisy-children.html

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An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph found that three quarters of local authorities have used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000 over the past year.

The Act gives councils the right to place residents and businesses under surveillance, trace telephone and email accounts and even send staff on undercover missions.

The findings alarmed civil liberties campaigners. Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty, said: "Councils do a grave disservice to professional policing by using serious surveillance against litterbugs instead of terrorists."

The RIPA was introduced to help fight terrorism and crime. But a series of extensions, first authorised by David Blunkett in 2003, mean that Britain's 474 councils can use the law to tackle minor misdemeanours.

Councils are using the Act to tackle dog fouling, the unauthorised sale of pizzas and the abuse of the blue badge scheme for disabled drivers.

Among 115 councils that responded to a Freedom of Information request, 89 admitted that they had instigated investigations under the Act. The 82 councils that provided figures said that they authorised or carried out a total of 867 RIPA investigations during the year to August

Durham county council emerged as the biggest user, with just over 100 surveillance operations launched during the period. Newcastle city council used the powers 82 times, and Middlesbrough council 70 times.

Derby council made sound recordings of a property after a complaint about noisy children.

Surveillance operations aimed at individual homes and businesses can last for months. Calderdale council in West Yorkshire began "direct covert surveillance" targeting one business in May that is still going on.

It seems as if a complete disregard for basic privacy rights are simply epidemic in the world lately. The US's NSA has been monitoring every single phone-call and internet transmission made, the British are misusing terrorist legislation for law-enforcement and domestic-surveillance, and there are probably so many other cases in other nations around the world.

What do you all think


BTW: I want to make it clear that I'm not opposed to all surveillance. What I'm opposed to is excessive surveillance, and surveillance abuse.


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RE: Anti-Terrorism Laws Used To Spy On Noisy Children

Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:42 pm

Wow this looks very familiar, I know I have read about this someplace not too long ago butt I just can not remember where...

Oh well, my opinion on this is that it is a total waste of manpower, whilst the authorities are out chasing down loud children the evil doers are sitting nearby plotting evil doer deeds.



Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
The US's NSA has been monitoring every single phone-call and internet transmission made,

Hmm, very interesting, just how many people are employed doing this (I know there must be some type of filtering software used) as there has to be quite a few phone calls and internet page views and keystrokes made each day. The idea that all of these are monitor is something I can not quite agree with.

If every keystroke made on the net in the US is monitored that would mean that the Feds could simply stop evil doers from posting by some nefarious means, think of it, some innocent fellow could be silenced in the middle of posing on one of their fa
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Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:45 pm



Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 1):
I know I have read about this someplace not too long ago butt I just can not remember where...

"Spying" on a family to check of they lived close enough to the school they wanted their kids to go to, IIRC.

Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 1):
posing on one of their fa

I suppose it depends on what sort of pose you were intending to use. Can they detect thoughts as well?
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RE: Anti-Terrorism Laws Used To Spy On Noisy Children

Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:46 pm



Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 1):
posing on one of their fa

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Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:49 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 3):
Can they detect thoughts as well?

He cant answer, he's currently on a rendition flight to Gitmo, err, another "detention facility"
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Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:52 pm



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 4):
He cant answer, he's currently on a rendition flight to Gitmo, err, another "detention facility"

Darkness and oppressive heat is all I know. The friends if there is the ability to intercept every single form of electronic communication sent in the US the trick would be to use programs that sniff out the naughty words used by the evil doers. Some may say that powers that be would search for key words such as "bombgoesboom" (please remove the "goesboom" that I deftly added to avoid the detection of the friends).

Heck the b word might only draw attention to your blog review the latest flop (fill in the name of your least favorite new film)

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RE: Anti-Terrorism Laws Used To Spy On Noisy Children

Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:58 pm

You don't see a problem with laws meant to be used for anti-terrorism purposes to be mis-used for traditional law-enforcement roles?

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Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:06 pm



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 7):
You don't see a problem with laws meant to be used for anti-terrorism purposes to be mis-used for traditional law-enforcement roles?

Screaming kids might be overkill, but look at the example in the UK, where CCTV cameras all over the streets (placed principally because of the IRA and later Al Qaeda) have become useful to deter and track street crimes like muggings. I'm all for maximizing the utility of our tax dollars at work, within reason.
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RE: Anti-Terrorism Laws Used To Spy On Noisy Children

Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:19 am

Dreadnought,

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Screaming kids might be overkill, but look at the example in the UK, where CCTV cameras all over the streets (placed principally because of the IRA and later Al Qaeda) have become useful to deter and track street crimes like muggings.

I personally think the cameras in the street are overkill. They were predominantly set-up in the even that if an IRA terrorist did something, the cameras would be able to ID who did it. In other words, they were used for anti-terrorism purposes.

I consider it to be a serious problem when intelligence assets, and surveillance used to deal with terrorists ends up being used for routine law-enforcement. Eventually it could reach a point where there is not even the most basic privacy for anybody.

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I'm all for maximizing the utility of our tax dollars at work, within reason.

"Within reason" being the key words.


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