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Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:31 pm

This is just unbelievable. Since this character lived in Minnesota, do you think he worked for DL/NW?

It just amazes me away that things like this go on in the real world.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=6624579
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:45 pm

wow, 35 cases involving this sort of thing this year already? That's more than a case a day. Unbelievable

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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:53 pm

A local paper said it was a 28 year old pilot from Mesaba. Address is from Shokopee, MN. Lets try and let the courts investigate and convict, not people on this site....but if he is found guilty, I don't think he will like spending time in the Texas jail system. I guess other inmates don't take kindly to pedaphiles.

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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:59 pm

If he was flying from MSP, it would seem to me the most likely airline he works for is NW.
 
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:08 pm



Quoting Type-Rated (Thread starter):
do you think he worked for DL/NW?



Quoting Wingnutmn (Reply 2):
pilot from Mesaba.



Quoting Heathrow (Reply 3):
most likely airline he works for is NW.

Does it really matter who is employed by in the grand scheme of things? Pedophiles come in all shapes, sizes and jobs. The bottom line is that he should be held accountable for his actions. The justice system will make sure of it. Then his fellow inmates will take care of him. Payback is a bitch.
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:41 pm

Well fortunately he never did get to have his meeting with his "target". But you would think that the honor involved with being an airline pilot would prevent such things from going on. Most pilots I know are very even, respectable guys. Literally pillars of their community. And they usually are very caring and devote some of their off hours to community activities.

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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Pedophiles come in all shapes, sizes and jobs

What is strange I guess is that stuff like this never even crosses my mind.....
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:35 am



Quoting Type-Rated (Thread starter):
It just amazes me away that things like this go on in the real world.

You don't know who to trust

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/7852070.stm

A convicted paedophile appeared in a tourist advertising brochure promoting a children's attraction, the Forest of Dean Council has admitted.

David Harper, 66, who was jailed for his offences, appears as the "Fat Controller" station master in an advert for a Thomas the Tank Engine ride.
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:48 am

According to the Houston Chronicle he worked for Maseba and is 28y/o

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6229743.html

They have a picture of him and he looks like a regular guy. He doesn't look like someone to be afraid of.

I just don't understand why someone 28y/o would want to have sex with a boy who is 12 or 14. and why would a boy who is 12/14 want to have sex with a 28y/o man?

The Chronicle article also states some of the precautions that the pilot went through to make sure he wasn't talking to a police decoy. Kudos to the teacher who saw the text messages on the boy's blackberry. Remind me why a 12y/o kid needs a blackberry?
 
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:50 am



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Does it really matter who is employed by in the grand scheme of things? Pedophiles come in all shapes, sizes and jobs.

True.

Had the guy not been a pilot but an 9 to 5 acountant, the article would have simply been named: "Man accused of online sollicitation"

But because he is a pilot, somehow the article is more 'juicy'...?

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 5):
But you would think that the honor involved with being an airline pilot

There's hardly any 'honor' in being an airline pilot these days. It's just another job. Whereas in the past it was a very respectable high paying career which was very selective of its member, air travel generalization and airlines' greed made sure that a guy like this paedophile only makes about 20 to 30 Ks a year as a junior F/O...
Not that this has anything to do with anything. As said, anyone can be a paedo...
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:55 am



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
There's hardly any 'honor' in being an airline pilot these days. It's just another job. Whereas in the past it was a very respectable high paying career which was very selective of its member, air travel generalization and airlines' greed made sure that a guy like this paedophile only makes about 20 to 30 Ks a year as a junior F/O...
Not that this has anything to do with anything. As said, anyone can be a paedo...

So what do you do when you're at cruise and you realize the guy next to you has nasty pics of kids on his laptop? Lob him out the window at the nearest convenient safe altitude?

I didn't understand this stuff before, but now as a parent, it just makes me incensed. I never think of myself as a violent person until imagining how I'd feel if someone did this crap to one of mine...
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:04 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
So what do you do when you're at cruise and you realize the guy next to you has nasty pics of kids on his laptop? Lob him out the window at the nearest convenient safe altitude?

I would report him to the authorities immediately upon blocking in. Report him to the company as well and I would refuse to fly with him again.
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:26 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
Lob him out the window at the nearest convenient safe altitude?

Now.... if you were at FL330, would that be a climb to make sure he splatters nice and good?
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:50 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
So what do you do when you're at cruise and you realize the guy next to you has nasty pics of kids on his laptop? Lob him out the window at the nearest convenient safe altitude?

I don't think you understood my post the way I wanted it to come across... Probably my fault.

And to answer your question, I still believe that pilots, like any other group of worker in any industry, are very honest, educated, well thought and law abiding. I'm pretty sure that guy took great care of never showing any signs of his 'interest' in a cockpit, as he was aware that none of his colleagues would have doubted in denouncing him.
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:20 pm

Because of various laws that affect convicted pedophiles or sex offenders once they have served their sentences (can't go near schools, playgrounds, etc) could an airline fire an employee like a pilot or f/a as could come into conflict with such places, limiting their ability to work? I also wouldn't want a criminal pervert working for me either due to liability fears.
 
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:48 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
could an airline fire an employee like a pilot or f/a as could come into conflict with such places, limiting their ability to work?

Of course, I'm guessing that NW will fire him (if he hasn't been already) if he's convicted as there are probably children on every flight. Even after a lot of these guys get paroled so they can go live outside prison, they are under probation, and usually part of that (and definately should be in this case) is he can't cross state lines. Kinda makes it tough to be a pilot with a huge airline if you can only fly interstate flights...
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:35 pm

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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:18 pm



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 14):
Of course, I'm guessing that NW will fire him (if he hasn't been already) if he's convicted as there are probably children on every flight. Even after a lot of these guys get paroled so they can go live outside prison, they are under probation, and usually part of that (and definately should be in this case) is he can't cross state lines. Kinda makes it tough to be a pilot with a huge airline if you can only fly interstate flights...

I am pretty sure that you can't hold an ATP with a Felony conviction, making his career toast.

And I'm sure Mesaba (not NW) will place him on paid leave (as they should) until he is proven guilty.
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:54 pm

If guilty, I am pretty sure you could revoke his ATP under FAR 61.153(c). Even if innocent, his career is probably over.
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:23 pm

What's kind of interesting is this story broke big time here in Houston and the next day and ever since we haven't heard a thing about it. Damage control maybe?
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:19 pm

Believe it or not, I know the guy. He worked for F9 in OMA before I started working there, but I knew him through another friend of mine at F9. I've hung out with the guy on several occasions and was friends with him on Facebook (checked a couple days ago and his profile is gone), the whole 9 yards. I was positively shocked to hear about this. The guy was at my bachelor party and just seemed like one of the guys. Truly despicable and seriously incomprehensible to me that anyone, let alone someone I knew closely, could do this.
 
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:00 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
I didn't understand this stuff before, but now as a parent, it just makes me incensed. I never think of myself as a violent person until imagining how I'd feel if someone did this crap to one of mine...

I don't have kids myself but I have a 7-yr-old niece and understand your feelings. Thankfully the authorities were able to intervene before anything happened.

Quoting Adxmatt (Reply 7):
I just don't understand why someone 28y/o would want to have sex with a boy who is 12 or 14

I don't think anyone can logically explain it, only options are to offer some sort of rehabilitation/therapy to the person while keeping them a safe distance from children.

What I don't get though is why he didn't try to just simply hook up with anyone around his age if all he wanted was to get off. He's not bad looking, surely he can find someone on any number of hook up websites. Leave the kids alone!!

Quoting Adxmatt (Reply 7):
and why would a boy who is 12/14 want to have sex with a 28y/o man?

Same reasons why 12/14 yr old boys want to have sex with the 28 yr old hot female teacher...you are in that stage of your life where you're not quite sure how to deal with your feelings and emotions. Still doesn't justify some pedophile taking advantage of them, that's why we call them "adults" because they're supposed to know better than the 14 yr old.

And I agree with other posters here, 35 cases so far this year already is a LOT!
 
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:58 pm

What did this guy do for Frontier? Was he a pilot? If so wouldn't flying for Mesaba be a comedown after flying for Frontier?
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:09 pm

Dang, I am from Shakopee too.

First, crazy obama lady at McCain rally, now this...
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:37 pm



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 21):
What did this guy do for Frontier? Was he a pilot? If so wouldn't flying for Mesaba be a comedown after flying for Frontier?

Not a pilot. Just a cross-utilized customer service agent. He was doing that while working toward his CFI. When he got his CFI he started working at Millard Airport (MIQ) as a CFI there. Eventually he was hired on at a charter operation flying right seat in King Airs out of OMA before getting hired on by Mesaba.
 
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:34 am

Are the press allowed to put big sharp pictures of accussed people, before they are convincted in the US?
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RE: Pedophile Pilot Flies To Houston....

Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:58 pm

Oh yeah, about the only time they aren't are during juvenile court cases. They can't put on a picture of a child.
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