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Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:22 am

Obama can hardly be described as Russia's friend

As seen on Pravda.ru

Obama begins to dig in Bush’s heavy legacy
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/23-01-2009/107001-obama_bush-0

Obama embodies grand failure of great hopes
http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...as/22-01-2009/106993-obama_hopes-0

World leaders, save China, flatter Obama with their congratulations
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/21-01-2009/106991-obama-0

Barack Obama takes office as Republicans’ scapegoat
http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...s/20-01-2009/106979-barack_obama-0

Obama: Deceiver, Cheat, Swindler, Liar, Fraudster, Con Artist
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/08-01-2009/106908-obama-0

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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:28 am

From the first article, just for my amusement:

Unlike the USA, Russia has always been a champion of the multipolar world.

But not, apparently, a champion of multiopinionated journalists.  Yeah sure
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:40 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
As seen on Pravda.ru

Well, I wouldn't pay too much attention. I have very high hopes for Russo-American relations now that President Obama has taken control, and Pravda is not really the most representative source out there on Russian national policy.

Obviously we can't expect any miracles overnight, but it's hard to see how things could get much worse between Russian and American than they did under Bush. So far, the signs are that Obama very sensibly wishes to adopt a more constructive and less confrontational approach in international relations, and there is no reason to think that this will not extend to Russian relations. Similarly, the Russian government has on many occasions expressed high hopes for an improvement.

These Pravda articles are good for a laugh, which is generally what I read the site for anyway.  smile 
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:44 pm

From the last article:

Quote:
The photo in the article shows that there is nobody standing up to shake hands with him and some have their backs turned to Obama. If those people, trying to enjoy their meal in peace, had thrown their food in that stinking bum’s face with disgust, ABC News could have reported it as, “The soldiers were so overjoyed to catch a glimpse of their Commander In Chief Elect, that like true Marines, they all chipped in to share their Holiday meal with him.”

(emphasis mine, but it's a direct quote)

I don't think that can be taken serious.  rotfl  If you notice, the article was written by a Westerner. Judging from his style of writing, it's probably just a frustrated guy who lets it all out.

In Obama's foreign policy, the relations to Russia will be a key to success, especially in regard to Iran. It must be possible to substantially improve US-Russia relations, since the interests of both countries are not adverse at all. I personally believe that the key is to treat the Russians with the respect they think they deserve. It's very easy to provoke Russia, and it's equally easy to make clear to them that they're a valued partner.

But that probably deserves its own thread.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:49 pm

You can blame Putin just as much as Bush.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:11 pm



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 4):
You can blame Putin just as much as Bush.

For what in particular?
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:30 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 5):
For what in particular?

For all the troubles in the world that is. Everything that the US does right, Putin (and Russia) are there to be against it.

You can't expect that much from a communist terrorist like Putin.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:46 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
I have very high hopes for Russo-American relations now that President Obama has taken control,

Won't make a difference until Putin is gone and replaced with someone rational.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:56 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Won't make a difference until Putin is gone and replaced with someone rational.

Not just him, the whole top leaders in the Russian govt have their hands dirty and need to be removed for Russia to become a democratic nation. (at the moment they're not)
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:25 pm



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 6):
For all the troubles in the world that is

Wow, he's a leader with many faults, but I don't think he bears that much responsibility for the world's ills.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 6):
Everything that the US does right, Putin (and Russia) are there to be against it.

Again, as I was intending with my original question about this, can we be a little bit specific? What in particular, for example?

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 6):
a communist terrorist like Putin.

In what sense is he communist or terrorist? Ok he worked for the KGB, but communist he certainly is not. Not a loaded question, just interested to know what you really mean by that.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Won't make a difference until Putin is gone and replaced with someone rational.

Of course it will still make a difference.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:32 pm



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
Of course it will still make a difference.

Putin survives, in part, by creating a bogeyman out of the US--think Venezuela. If he suddenly warms up to the US because there's a change in leadership, most of the credibility he's built up on irrational nationalism and anti-Americanism flies out the window and suddenly everyone will focus on the Russian government and economy, which are flying off their respective rails.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:23 pm

President Obama made it clear last year that he has serious reservations about the Russian leadership.

"We know that Russia is neither our enemy nor close ally right now, and we shouldn’t shy away from pushing for more democracy, transparency, and accountability in that country. But we also know that we can and must work with Russia to make sure every one of its nuclear weapons and every cache of nuclear material is secured."

Source: http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/dynamic_page.php?id=64

In a September 2008 presidential debate, Obama said, "our entire Russian approach has to be evaluated, because a resurgent and very aggressive Russia is a threat to the peace and stability of the region." He called Russia's August 2008 actions toward Georgia "unacceptable" and "unwarranted."

Source: http://www.cfr.org/bios/11603/barack_obama.html

I think that Putin and Medvedev will probably continue to stoke the coals of Russian nationalism as Russia experiences serious problems due to the global credit crisis and the free-fall in oil prices. This will put Comrade Putin into an increasingly financially strapped position and - if there is serious discontent among the Russian people - Putin and his cronies will be even more prone to rely on external ambitions (like bombers to Venezuela and excursions into Georgia) and to further increase their already rabid nationalist rhetoric in order to rally support domestically.

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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:15 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
Putin survives, in part, by creating a bogeyman out of the US--think Venezuela. If he suddenly warms up to the US because there's a change in leadership, most of the credibility he's built up on irrational nationalism and anti-Americanism flies out the window and suddenly everyone will focus on the Russian government and economy, which are flying off their respective rails.

I think you nailed it exactly!
 
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:31 am



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
Putin survives, in part, by creating a bogeyman out of the US--think Venezuela. If he suddenly warms up to the US because there's a change in leadership, most of the credibility he's built up on irrational nationalism and anti-Americanism flies out the window and suddenly everyone will focus on the Russian government and economy, which are flying off their respective rails.

I think the anti-American element of Russian politics is overstated. It may be a popular and simplistic view to think that Putin is popular because he blames America for Russia's ills, but you do the Russian people and government a disservice by trying to apply such simple principles to the thinking behind the current situation. People aren't under nearly as many illusions as you would apparently think they are.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Frie

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:50 am



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 13):
People aren't under nearly as many illusions as you would apparently think they are.

Sure, Russians are a modern people now, plus lots of experience decoding propaganda over the years.

But the government... why does Putin complain about totally innocent EU-USA activities? There is no rational explanation for it... we are in a modern era now. The peace in Europe is rock solid.

We are always caught off guard when Putin starts talking about random items as if we are in 1983 again. It's like, what?

We don't bring up these topics; we are busy. We are friends of Russia, there simply aren't seeds of a conflict. My impression is Russians and Americans are great friends as people.
 
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Friend

Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:01 am



Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
why does Putin complain about totally innocent EU-USA activities?

Such as? I'm not trying to be difficult, but so far not one single poster has been specific about this kind of thing.
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RE: Obama Can Hardly Be Described As Russia's Frie

Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:22 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Obama can hardly be described as Russia's friend

Apparently the Russian government feels differently:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/2037651/
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