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WSJ Article: Limbaugh's Bipartisan Stimulus

Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:15 pm

Rush Limbaugh has apparently wrote his own bipartisan stimulus perspective in today's Wall Street Journal.

The article can be found at this link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123318906638926749.html

Upshoot: definitely a unique approach.
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RE: WSJ Article: Limbaugh's Bipartisan Stimulus

Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:25 pm

"We see which stimulus actually works." Yeah, if it went that far through the legislature (and with Obama's pen/ink). Voters could definitely be for it - if they think that progress at a rate of 46% is success.  Wink
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:18 pm



Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
Rush Limbaugh has apparently wrote his own bipartisan stimulus perspective in today's Wall Street Journal.

Rush is the de facto leader and water carrier of the Republican Party.
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:33 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
Rush Limbaugh has apparently wrote his own bipartisan stimulus perspective in today's Wall Street Journal.

Unfortunately he is and has been such a polarizing figure that what ever he says will largely be dismissed and discredited by many. I am not arguing if he has a good approach but that he has inflicted upon himself relative irrelevance in being able to assist in maters like this.

There are many other that work hard to not be polarizing and they are the one who will be listened to by both sides not Rush.


Quoting Confuscius (Reply 2):
Rush is the de facto leader and water carrier of the Republican Party.

No, he is the mouthpiece, leader, and water carrier of the "Rushies". He most certainly does not represent any type of leadership for the Republican party I support.

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Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:34 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 2):
Rush is the de facto leader and water carrier of the Republican Party.

Once again, showing how you've never listened to Rush's show. If you did, you might hear how he rails against the Republicans almost as harshly as he does the Democrats.
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:13 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 3):
Unfortunately he is and has been such a polarizing figure that what ever he says will largely be dismissed and discredited by many. I am not arguing if he has a good approach but that he has inflicted upon himself relative irrelevance in being able to assist in maters like this

Here's what he said.

"Let's stop the acrimony. Let's start solving our problems, together."



Pardon me while I puke. The useful idiots are lining up already to explain this from their Chairman-"ooooooooh! You know Rush wants to be fwends but that uppity nigruh don't! Oooooooooooh!"
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:22 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 5):
Here's what he said.

"Let's stop the acrimony. Let's start solving our problems, together."

Yes, it is the arsonist helping to fight the fire.

It just doesn't have any credibility.

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Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:46 pm



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 5):
The useful idiots are lining up already to explain this from their Chairman-"ooooooooh! You know Rush wants to be fwends but that uppity nigruh don't! Oooooooooooh!"

How 'bout naming some names?

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 5):
Pardon me while I puke.

Theatrically or for real?

Quoting Tugger (Reply 6):
Yes, it is the arsonist helping to fight the fire.

I'm sure an 8B stimulus won't fan the flames.  sarcastic 
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:57 pm

Tax cuts?

Like Bush's $600?

Sorry, Rush. I need a lot more than $600 to get me out of the mess I'm in. I need a better salary, I need healthcare, and I need to have an economy that isn't going to randomly crash on me.

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Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:06 pm



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 7):
I'm sure an 8B stimulus won't fan the flames. sarcastic

That has nothing to do with what I am saying. I am saying that Rush does not have the ability to introduce something like this. He has destroyed any credibility he has on making proposals by the way he and his show attack others. Again, I already said:

Quoting Tugger (Reply 3):
I am not arguing if he has a good approach but that he has inflicted upon himself relative irrelevance in being able to assist in maters like this.

I am sure there are many not so good and even wasteful parts of the $800B (not 8) stimulus plan that I won't like and, maybe he has a fantastic idea, but he will not be able to get it heard just because it is a good idea. Just like nobody would want the arsonist to help with putting out the fire he started because no one would trust him.

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Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:51 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Tax cuts?

Like Bush's $600?

Sorry, Rush. I need a lot more than $600 to get me out of the mess I'm in. I need a better salary, I need healthcare, and I need to have an economy that isn't going to randomly crash on me.

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Dear American Taxpayer,

What are you doing yourself to improve your salary, healthcare, and to prepare for downturns in the economy?

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Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:43 pm



Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 10):
Dear American Taxpayer,

What are you doing yourself to improve your salary, healthcare, and to prepare for downturns in the economy?

Signed,

Personal Responsibility

Thank you!

To quote one of my favorite Radio Hosts, Tammy Bruce:

"Stop buying stuff you can't afford!"

Which reminds of the great line from Jim Carrey in "Liar Liar" when his client asks him for help getting out fo jail since he robbed another ATM...

"STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!"

Pretty simple if you ask me!

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Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:24 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Once again, showing how you've never listened to Rush's show.

I do whenever the Republicans loses. I love to hear him whine and blame everything on the media. I have to admit it's quite entertaining.

Rush would be bitch and whine about the GOP, but in the end he ends up carrying their water anyway.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 3):
He most certainly does not represent any type of leadership for the Republican party I support.

Too bad your kind of GOP is an endangered species.
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:33 am

Quoting Aloha73g (Reply 11):
To quote one of my favorite Radio Hosts, Tammy Bruce:

"Stop buying stuff you can't afford!"

Like health care? I don't think many, possibly even you, could afford your health care cost if companies weren't running interference and paying a large chunk of it.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 12):
Too bad your kind of GOP is an endangered species.

It's actually a much larger portion of the GOP than the extremist. The GOP I believe in is far closer to the one that existed during the Reagan 80's, less taxes, more freedom, get the government out of peoples lives. The "new" Republican's are far more "security at all costs" Republican's and vilify everyone who disagrees as weakening our country and willing to watch everyone to make sure we are all "safe". Sounds to much like the Taliban.

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Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:24 am



Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
Rush Limbaugh has apparently wrote his own bipartisan stimulus perspective in today's Wall Street Journal.

I am struggling to find anything bipartisan in it.

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Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:57 am

Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 10):
Dear American Taxpayer,

What are you doing yourself to improve your salary, healthcare, and to prepare for downturns in the economy?

Signed,

Personal Responsibility

Being told by banks that we can afford it and don't worry when the ARM starts adjusting. Being told by banks and lending institutions not to worry about the fine print, you can't understand it anyway. Being told we can have the American dream but getting it all taken from us because our job is being shipped overseas even when we do live within our means. It's always someone else's fault. Never big corporations. Always the little guy's fault.

Edit: I was taking the Jeopardy! online test. I read the article. It sounds to me like Rush wants to do what has been done over the past 8 years. Where has that gotten us? Let's try something else for a while. Let's let the opposition have a go at it for once. I know that hurts Rush's ego, especially if the economy gets going again, but, you had your chance. Let's do something else and see if it works.

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Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:43 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Like Bush's $600?

Ummm..that was a one time stimulus check, not a tax cut.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Sorry, Rush. I need a lot more than $600 to get me out of the mess I'm in. I need a better salary, I need healthcare, and I need to have an economy that isn't going to randomly crash on me.

Then you need Cuba. They have 24/7/365 nanny care there waiting for you.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 13):
Like health care? I don't think many, possibly even you, could afford your health care cost if companies weren't running interference and paying a large chunk of it.

Then health care, like the housing market, would suffer a crash in prices. Did you ever stop to think that the government helps to prop up the high prices?
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:15 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
It sounds to me like Rush wants to do what has been done over the past 8 years. Where has that gotten us?

Precisely. That line about the definition of insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results comes to mind.
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:21 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
Being told by banks that we can afford it and don't worry when the ARM starts adjusting. Being told by banks and lending institutions not to worry about the fine print, you can't understand it anyway.

Anyone who believed that deserves whatever they get. Who signs something without examining the fine print and consequences? Oh, that's right....irresponsible people.
 
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:27 am



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 17):
Precisely. That line about the definition of insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results comes to mind.

Ironically, the Democrats are pursuing the same failed Keynesian economics that prolonged the Great Depression even though it didn't work then. I guess some never learn, do they?

Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 10):
Dear American Taxpayer,

What are you doing yourself to improve your salary, healthcare, and to prepare for downturns in the economy?

Signed,

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I am getting SO sick and tired of people whining and complaining as if the world owes them something for the stupid decisions they've made in their lives. Didn't save for a downturn? Give me a check! Didn't get an education? Give me some free goodies! Fortunately, most people still do believe in personal responsibility.
 
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:38 am



Quoting Tugger (Reply 13):
Like health care? I don't think many, possibly even you, could afford your health care cost if companies weren't running interference and paying a large chunk of it.

No, not health care. I was thinking more along the lines of....flashy cars, flat screen TVs, eating out, vacations, BluRay players, DVD collections, expensive shoes/purses/jewelry/makeup, iPods, cell phones, computers, XBoxes, Nintendo Wii, bottled water, Starbucks, etc.

I was thinking of the kids at the public school my aunt teaches at...the kids who get "free and reduced rate" lunches (ie they are POOR)....the same kids who have 10 pairs of Nikes, the latest iPod and a cell phone. My parents were what most people would consider "rich" and my mom told us to go play outside....no video games, no expensive shoes, no CD player or walkman.....it was the early 90s  Wink We shopped at the church thrift store and wore hand me downs. All I am saying is that people should live within their means!!

Obviously you should be buying healthcare, food, housing, electricity, water, etc.

And FYI, I did pay for my own healthcare ($219.50 per month + a $2,000 deductible each calendar year with no drug coverage from HMSA--Blue Cross/Blue Shield) from May of 2007 through September of 2008. I paid every penny myself and didn't ask anyone....my parents and especially not the government for help.

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Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:25 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):

Being told by banks that we can afford it and don't worry when the ARM starts adjusting. Being told by banks and lending institutions not to worry about the fine print, you can't understand it anyway. Being told we can have the American dream but getting it all taken from us because our job is being shipped overseas even when we do live within our means. It's always someone else's fault. Never big corporations. Always the little guy's fault.

Do you have a credit card? If so whats the limit on that card? The day you got that card did you go out and spend to the limit?

Go jump off a bridge.

Get my point? Follow a few simple rules, 1. Always look out for yourself first. 2. Never trust anyone 3. Read the fine print.

A person making 30K a year can't afford a 200K house. If I bank told me that I would walk out the door. I put a lot of blame on the current mess on big banks, they didn't have any personal responsibility either. They should have never been bailed out, the short term effects would have been horrible however the longer term health of the economy probably would have been better. Small local banks would have been created taking their place, creating decent paying local jobs. Instead the responsible people get dicked and the people who jacked everything up get a free ride.


In regards to big corporations many times it is their fault but the problem is they are being driven by consumer demands.

My wifes company (her employer) is a supplier for WalMart, in the 50's 60's, and 70's over 5,000 people worked for her company, as the pressure to reduce costs came they started to outsource manufacturing to Mexico, when that wasn't cheap enough they outsourced the Mexican jobs to China. All because WalMart always wanted 1 or 2 more cents cut from the cost. Her company now employees about 125.
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:36 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
Being told by banks that we can afford it

And not having a third party check out the paperwork on what is probably the biggest purchase of your life? That's responsibility?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
. Being told by banks and lending institutions not to worry about the fine print, you can't understand it anyway.

And not having a lawyer check out the fine print you don't understand before signing? That's responsibility?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
Being told we can have the American dream but getting it all taken from us because our job is being shipped overseas even when we do live within our means.

Exactly where is this paper that says the company you work for owes you anything other than what they agreed to when you hired on? Do you faithfully buy your gas at the same station, even if the station across the street is a nickel a gallon lower? Do you buy your groceries at the same store even if you know the store across the street sells them for less? If you've ever comparitively shopped in your entire life then guess what, you practiced outsourcing. Stop whining.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
Where has that gotten us?

It has gotten us substantially higher tax receipts and put more money back in the hands of the people that earned it in the first place. The only thing that hasn't sunk in is politicians learning to live with less and that is not about to change.
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:50 pm

The WSJ, Bipartisan, yea sure. To me they are somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun. They just keep up that broken record of tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts....
 
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:16 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 23):
The WSJ, Bipartisan, yea sure

The same could be said of the NYT, and who had an op ed piece in it before the election? Hmmmm....can't quite recall the name.
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:35 pm



Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 21):
Do you have a credit card?

No. I was told over and over again I had zero chance of ever getting a credit card, even when banks could not hand them out fast enough. Whatever my bank statement says is what I can afford to spend. Last check, $3.82. I have gotten by without credit cards for years. I would like one, but why? Like the iPod, everyone seems to have one but me, but I don't need one. I have the next best thing.

Quoting SASD209 (Reply 18):
Who signs something without examining the fine print and consequences? Oh, that's right....irresponsible people

Irresponsible people who had jobs (sometimes two or three) and do not have a week or more to read every single word on every single document. I courriered those documents around and watched my partner shred his loan documents from a decade ago. A couple hundred pages worth for one house. I can't also help but thinking the appraisers were in on this too. They could have jacked up the price on houses so the banks could make the loans larger. That seems pretty irresponsible, too. Let's not place the blame soley and squarely on the backs of those that wanted a piece of the American dream. The banks and appraisers were in on this too. Slick marketing and a rush to get these loans out, let's not forget.
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:32 pm



Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 19):
Ironically, the Democrats are pursuing the same failed Keynesian economics that prolonged the Great Depression even though it didn't work then. I guess some never learn, do they?

You know, just saying something enough doesn't make it true. There is no consensus that the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. A survey of economists back in the mid 90s found that a quarter of them though it did, half of them thought it didn't, and the last quarter thought it did "with provisos," though the provisos weren't specified. Even ignoring the "with provisos" bit, that's a 50/50 split. Historians believed by a 3 to 1 margin that the New Deal did not prolong the Depression. Clearly, the New Deal didn't end the Great Depression, but it did stop the fall and helped a bit of recovery to occur.

And if you really disagree with the Keynesian idea that the government should increase spending to counter economic slowdowns, explain this--when World War Two started up, and the government spent far more than it ever did during the New Deal to hire troops and purchase war materiel, why was it then that the economy recovered?
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