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French Legislators Obey The Pharma-lobby..

Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:50 pm

Unreal legislation voted in France,that prohibits the use of nettle-extract as as natural garden treatment against unwanted pests and simultaneously as fertilizer..
Everybody that spread information on how to proceed and use nettle-extract can be fined up to 75.000 € ( yes-seventy five thousand Euros..!!)
Similar laws dealing with other natural herbal extracts are being prepared.Guess who is behind this -right !
The Pharma-lobby,who works hard on getting us to use OGM modified ,sterile seeds,chemical treatments for our gardens and fields and sues many ecological groups for spreading knowledge about the dangers of chemistry in our nature.
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http://www.ecolopop.info/interdictio...-dortie-ce-nest-pas-une-blague/625

If France so far is the only country in Europe to maintain such a ridiculous legislation,it's pharma-lobby obviously works on a global scale well connected to multinational agro-chemical groups like Monsanto.While chamicals are authorized,natural Phyto-remedies are severely controlled and increasingly difficult ot get homologated.
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RE: French Legislators Obey The Pharma-lobby..

Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:17 pm

Beaucaire, maybe you could've looked for a more up to date piece of information.
This stupid law was passed in September '06 but it got changed 3 months later...


http://www.enviro2b.com/environnemen...oppement-durable/2160/article.html
 
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RE: French Legislators Obey The Pharma-lobby..

Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:31 pm

Cela est déjà caduc ..-sorry- the legislators have re-written a new law about precisely the same matter..

http://www.kokopelli.asso.fr/divers/guerre-ortie.html

and the manager of Kokopelli has been fined 17.000 € for selling natural seeds that were not listed in the French catalogue of authenticated -"validated" seeds..
This movement to control seeds and phyto-natural remedies is absurd.Try to open a herb-shop in France today- impossible !!

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Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:12 pm

The typical answer I get for things like this is the following:

"Kokopelli is just whining because the government thinks that its products are nothing but rip-off marketing". I guess these laws are ok only when someone has a business bigger than yours.

PS: A question, has this guy explicitly supported legislation to ban practices and/or products he sees as detrimental in any way?

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RE: French Legislators Obey The Pharma-lobby..

Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:39 pm

You have to understand how Kokopelli operates..
They are a unique institution that works on free seed-exchange among members wordwide.
Focus is on keeping alive bio-diversity in a world ,where seeds have become major business for multinationals like Monsanto.They are not really a profit-making seller of seeds but try to teach farmers all over the world how to use natural,fertile seeds-unlike sterile seeds sold to Indian farmers by Monsanto. They have more than 2500 vegetables in their offer-all supplied by members free of charge and who have,in turn ,the right to obtain different seeds from other farmers.Kokopelli has about 250 different kinds of Tomatoes ! Kokopelli runs seed-production sites and educational gardens in India and several African countries,teaching old and basic knowledge that has been lost.They do sell seeds through freely to those who want to buy,but are mainly a non-profit center.
Competition comes from the established seed-pruducers who run semi-industrial seed productions with genetically engineered stuff.They attack Kokopelli constantly with substantial legal and fiancail means,trying to destroy a worldwide recognized beneficial institution.
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:24 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
They are a unique institution that works on free seed-exchange among members wordwide.
Focus is on keeping alive bio-diversity in a world ,where seeds have become major business for multinationals like Monsanto.They are not really a profit-making seller of seeds but try to teach farmers all over the world how to use natural,fertile seeds-unlike sterile seeds sold to Indian farmers by Monsanto.

French economist Jean-Baptiste Say said that all "products are paid for with products", and money is merely a facilitator that makes exchange easier. In this regard there is little difference between Monsanto and Kopekelli. I think it's fair to say that Monsanto is just as bias to its products as Kopekelli is to their products and ideas. When you hire (or elect) someone else to give their opinions there is always the possibility of corruption and bias, which is very evident with the legislation passed in France that you shared with us.

And if the answer to the question I posted in my first reply is yes, then there is no reason to be surprised Monsanto and the like are trying to defend themselves or even launch a counter-attack. If Kopekelli and its supporters don't like the tactics being used against them, they shouldn't endorse it against others, even their arch-enemies. Tough to do in an environment that this is common practice, but for the madness to stop, someone needs to take a stand.

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RE: French Legislators Obey The Pharma-lobby..

Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:20 pm

How are they going to stop gardeners use a method (the fermented nettle solution) my grandad used already 50 years ago?
Also, how are they going to stop farmers using the method of keeping some of their harvest for resseding next season, like farmers have done for at least 5000 years?

I remember the outcry though a few years ago, when a very popular type of potato was removed from the German list of approved crops on request by the breeder association.

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Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:43 pm



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
In this regard there is little difference between Monsanto and Kopekelli. I think it's fair to say that Monsanto is just as bias to its products as Kopekelli is to their products and ideas.

This comparison is absolutely absurd ....
If you don't see the difference between Kokopelli and Monsanto,there is no need to discuss.
One is exactly the opposite to the other.
Kokopelli tries to preserve bio-diversity and Monstanto tries to kill it . It's as simple as that .
Since you fly a flag from Brazil, you should very well be aware about the dammge intensive mono-farming based on gentically modiefied seeds does to the environment and farmers..
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Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:02 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):

If you don't see the difference between Kokopelli and Monsanto,there is no need to discuss.

The difference between the two is a difference of opinions.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
Since you fly a flag from Brazil, you should very well be aware about the dammge intensive mono-farming based on gentically modiefied seeds does to the environment and farmers..

As for GMOs and farmers. . no, not really. If they are using it it's because they think it's better for them.

Environment. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic...vironmental_and_ecological_impacts

Some pretty pointless reasons. Not that there's no concerns about it spreading into the wild, though sterile seed technology apparently is already available.

If you click above and go under "Public Perceptions" it's interesting to see that the Amish have adopted it:

"Interestingly, about 550 Amish farmers in Pennsylvania have adopted GM crops, because they allow for less intensive farming (fewer pesticides, etc.), are more productive (under most conditions), and do not conflict with the Amish lifestyle."

Less intensive farming should help the environment somewhat, no?
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RE: French Legislators Obey The Pharma-lobby..

Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:06 pm

Oh btw, I tried "organic chicken" today. Was pretty good, perhaps tastier than the usual, but it also cost me a lot more. I'm not sure a lot of people in Brazil would be eating were it not for the non-organic foods.
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