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Ridiculous Job Ads

Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:20 am

Have you ever seen job advertisements that have ridiculous requirements for the applicants? I've just found one here. It's a job ad from a company looking for an IT professional. It has general and special requirements. The general requirements are usually found in most job ads. The funny part is the special requirements

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- Male, Min S1 majoring Information Technology
- Minimum 4 years of similar experience: system analysis, project development, project management, etc
- Working knowledge of TCP-IP, Networking, applications software/ hardware, computer and network hardware and software
- Having exp. in Java programmer, Linux, Window Server, oracle, MS-SQL, networking
- Able to maintan AC, electricity, Plumbing & Kitchen equipments

This company wants IT professionals who are capable of doing programming, analyzing systems, managing IT projects and that are also able to maintain air conditioning, electricity, plumbing, and kitchen equipments!  Big grin
 
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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:53 pm

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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:54 pm

Some of the pilot jobs out there are ridiculous. I've seen places out there looking for pilots with 7000hrs logged PIC and 2000 of that have to be turbine time. All just to fly a lowly entry model king air under part 91. Not even the most picky airlines I've seen have such high hourly minima.

[Edited 2009-02-06 15:55:28]
 
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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:06 am



Quoting Afterburner (Thread starter):
Have you ever seen job advertisements that have ridiculous requirements for the applicants? I've just found one here. It's a job ad from a company looking for an IT professional. It has general and special requirements. The general requirements are usually found in most job ads. The funny part is the special requirements

That advert is discriminatory. You can't advertise only male/female job adverts for these kinds of jobs. It's not right. Identified positions are a bit different - where a position is made for a certain group of people (typically disadvantaged).

But sometimes these jobs with ridiculous requirements are designed to get someone who is temporary / contracting in the position into a full time job. I know, because I got the inside story on two particular job adverts last year, each requiring 15 years experience...

Most of the jobs I apply are advertised with the following:

- selection criteria
- common selection criteria

You have to address each in your claim for the position (a paragraph or two for each). You have to do the claim for the position before you can get to the interview. A resume is also needed, but the most important bit is the claim for the position.

The common criteria was recently abolished, but you still need to know EAPS, EEO and those sorts of things. I think they ended up abolishing those in the application process because everyone just had their own cut-and-paste standard replies.  Wink
 
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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:16 am

Quoting Afterburner (Thread starter):
This company wants IT professionals who are capable of doing programming, analyzing systems, managing IT projects and that are also able to maintain air conditioning, electricity, plumbing, and kitchen equipments

IT Professional or Building Maintenance?

The thing that jumps out to me is that it specifies "Male" -- I know you can't do that in the US, and I had always assumed that in the majority of countries that would also be prohibited.

The sad thing, though, is I can do or have done everything on that list except the "kitchen equipments" and "Java programmer" in both my current position and my previous one.

Current Duties are Crestron SIMPL/SIMPL+ programming, AV Systems Design/Engineering, Microsoft VB6, VB.net C#, ASP.net for inhouse applications, Windows 2003/Active Directory, Microsoft Exchange, Linux (thank god only one server in the farm), Microsoft TSQL, Network Infrastructure (LAN, WAN), Phone System (VOIP in the enterprise, POTS and T1 on the outside), Network Services (Public-Facing and Internal Web, DHCP, DNS, WINS, CIP/CTP), physical network installation, Data Center management, Legal clearance/contract review, minor electrical, and occassionally lending a hand with the plumbing and HVAC (My boss is the expert here, I don't ever do septic, though)... Our approach to the whole kitchen thing is when it breaks it's not worth repairing.

I like to think that my variety of skills increases my value to the company...  

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 1):
Some of the pilot jobs out there are ridiculous. I've seen places out there looking for pilots with 7000hrs logged PIC and 2000 of that have to be turbine time

I don't know if it's the case in that world, but esepecially with government jobs that require advertising (i.e. you actually have to post the position rather than just hiring who you really want from the beginning) the posting is written in such a way that only that particular person (or a very small group, one of whom is that particular person) can meet the qualifications.

E.g. if you want to hire Bob and Bob has 7001 hours PIC and 2100 turbine, but the company says "you have to post the position", especially for a more menial position writing it as 7000/2000 virtually ensures that the person who you want will make it to the front of the interview line.

Same thing happens all the time when specing products where a competitive bid is required, for that matter.

What's really amusing is when HR actually chalenges the hiring department's qualification and people scramble to make excuses. I once saw a (rejected) position vacancy notice that specificed, among other things, a minimum of 4 years and a maximum of 5 years of experience with a proprietary system, a requirement for some certification that had absolutely no relationship to the position, and a requirement for a motorcycle endorsement on a dirvers license (when it was a desk job).

The reason? The department had a temp that they wanted to make full time... That temp had 4.75 years experience with said proprietary system, the certification, and a motorcycle endorsement...

HR's biggest issue was with the "maximum" experience limitation.

Lincoln

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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:46 am



Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):
That advert is discriminatory. You can't advertise only male/female job adverts for these kinds of jobs. It's not right. Identified positions are a bit different - where a position is made for a certain group of people (typically disadvantaged).

Laws in Indonesia may be different. I have seen many job adverts in Malaysia asking for Sales Girls.
 
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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:53 am

A buddy of mine forwarded me a job posting for the first years in my program (we have to do 3 co-ops as part of the program). This placement involved work at an airport (which I won't name) with duties such as "cleaning windows, cutting grass, watering flowers and both "light and heavy labour"). Keep in mind this is an aviation program. The funniest part is it requires you to be in college/university. The job is advertised on our school's own co-op search database. It probably pays min. wage but it has nothing to do with aviation whatsoever. Just because its at an airport they think ppl would want to do it??
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RE: Ridiculous Job Ads

Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:31 am

I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the original posting are the words, "Must be willing to relocate." It sounds to me like they're setting up an office in a culturally conservative country that frowns upon women working, so, they screen out women to avoid offending said country's "cultural sensitivities." I also wouldn't be surprised if the successful candidate arrives on site to find an empty office full of boxes, basically he has to set up the entire office, including the kitchen, hire locals to assist and be able to manage them.

it's not unusual i'm sure. In the travel industry, someone working at an onsite which is to say a contracted travel agent on company premises, has to be able to do everything from making reservations to issuing tickets to fixing the invoice printer.
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