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Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:43 pm

Well, we have fans of airliners, trains, buses, and ships, so I decided I should come up with a more unusual poll.

So, what is your favorite elevator brand?

I am personally a KONE fan. I really liked those elevators that they had on the Carnival Pride.

Speaking of KONE, here at the University of New Mexico, Mitchell Hall (an all-classroom building built in 1950) is undergoing a major renovation. Improvements to Mitchell Hall include new bathrooms, a new HVAC system, a computer lab, a food mart, and of course, a brand new elevator. The new elevator being installed is a KONE EcoSpace machine room-less (MRL) traction elevator, which will be replacing a Dover hydraulic elevator installed in the 1970s. The KONE EcoSpace MRL elevator uses 1/3 the energy of a hydrualic elevator and does not require hydraulic oil.

However, I wonder if it will have a voice annunciation system. After all, one of the main reasons for its installation is for improved ADA compliance.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:47 pm

Yep, avid Kone fan here, they make some wonderful escalators too!!!

Can't wait to grace one of those tonight on the bakerloo line!!!!!!!!

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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:01 pm

If I were to pick one, it would be Schlinder's lift. Big grin
 
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:14 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Favorite Elevator Brand

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Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:57 pm

Good thing we have fans here of elevator brands other than Otis. It seems that Otis is the only manufacturer that most Americans have ever heard of. I know that Otis invented the first passenger elevator, however, it seems that KONE leads the way in advanced technology, as they invented the machine room-less (MRL) traction elevator. From what I have heard, other maufactuers' MRL offerings don't come close to the reliability of KONE's offerings.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:03 pm

Any and all elevators that don't trap me, injure me, or kill me.
 
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Whichever model they use in the Gateway Arch in St. Louis  silly 

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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:50 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Good thing we have fans here of elevator brands other than Otis. It seems that Otis is the only manufacturer that most Americans have ever heard of.

Otis? Jeez... Do they even make elevators anymore? I'm a fan of any elevator that gets me from floor A to floor B without leaving me stuck somewhere. I also hate the ones that talk to me.

Seems like most of the elevators I've seen recently have been a combination of Thyssen and Kone, but for some reason a lot of the hotels I stay at have Dover... every once in a while I'll come across a Westinghouse
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:00 pm



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 7):
Otis? Jeez... Do they even make elevators anymore? I'm a fan of any elevator that gets me from floor A to floor B without leaving me stuck somewhere. I also hate the ones that talk to me.

Seems like most of the elevators I've seen recently have been a combination of Thyssen and Kone, but for some reason a lot of the hotels I stay at have Dover... every once in a while I'll come across a Westinghouse

Yes, Otis does still make elevators, and they are still the overall market leader worldwide (not sure about the U.S. though).

Also, Dover is now owned by ThyssenKrupp, and Westinghouse's elevator division was sold to Schindler.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:21 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):
Schlinder's lift.

ha ha, clever.  Wink

I deal with many of the elevator companies noted above and i must say from a contractors view point, Otis has caused me the least amount of aggravation.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:39 pm



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 5):
Any and all elevators that don't trap me, injure me, or kill me

Those ones get my vote aswell.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:41 pm

I do not have any favourite elevators make. I just use whatever is available. I know of and have been on the three elevator brands, Otis, Kone and Schindler. I guess I have been on the Thyssens too.  Yeah sure
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:56 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 3):
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Favorite Elevator Brand  

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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:26 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

So, what is your favorite elevator brand

I like Kone ("machine" in Finnish) the best. I'm an impatient rider and want to see the doors close or open the split second we arrive or depart. Also I like the guard devices to work at a light touch whenever I'm being friendly to a latecomer. Valmet was also good but they were bought out. We have a number of Italian IGVs from the 1990s and 2000s (also know locally as "TGVs") in two university buildings, and they seem to annoy everyone. They do go up and down most of the time, but nothing is smooth yet everything takes ages.
 
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:36 pm



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 9):
I deal with many of the elevator companies noted above and i must say from a contractors view point, Otis has caused me the least amount of aggravation.

Well, KONE does all the maintenance on the elevators on the UNM main campus, regardless of manufacturer. However, I don't know if this was a driving factor for choosing KONE for the new elevator at Mitchell Hall. UNM's newest building, the Centennial Engineering Center, in which despite being labeled as an energy-efficient building, uses a ThyssenKrupp hydraulic elevator.

IMO the worst elevator on the UNM campus that I have been on is the one at the Farris Engineering Center. I don't know who made it, as it appears that it was retrofitted with a new button panel and LED floor display a few years ago, which does not have any indication of the manufacturer. That elevator is very slow and jerky.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:10 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):

If I were to pick one, it would be Schlinder's lift.

All these years and I thought I was the only one with that joke Big grin
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:35 pm

Sorry to bump, however, since we are talking about elevators, in October 2007, there was an incident on one of ThyssenKrupp's ISIS MRL elevators, where the elevator broke free from its Kevlar ropes. This forced a required inspection on all ISIS elevators installed in the U.S.. The ISIS has been discontinued by ThyssenKrupp and has been replaced by the Synergy MRL elevator that uses more conventional braided steel ropes.

Luckily KONE seems to have a great track record with their EcoSpace and MonoSpace MRL elevators.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:05 pm

I really like Thyssenkrupp. The most amazing elevator I've ever been on was built by them. It was in a museum in Parque La Fundidora in MTY. It was glass all around and used cables. But the most amazing thing was how ridiculously smooth and quiet it was. I was expecting the usual jolt when you hop in or out but no, it was completely solid and incredibly quiet, like there was no slack whatsoever on the cables. It was waaay smoother than any of the better hydraulic elevators I've been on. An amazing piece of engineering.
 
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:40 am

I haven't come across any that I like. Whether they be OTIS Elevonic, ThyssenKrupp.

ThyssenKrupp holds the title for the most terrifying elevators I've ever been in.  eek   scared 

I remember with those ones, I would actively seek to take the stairs rather than the elevators.

They would always break down, so on a 26 story building, we'd have only 1 or 2 elevators working. Getting out at lunch time or going downstairs to get a coffee at 10:00am would be horrible. You'd wait 10 minutes or more.  Sad
 
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:41 pm



Quoting Cpd (Reply 18):
I haven't come across any that I like. Whether they be OTIS Elevonic, ThyssenKrupp.

ThyssenKrupp holds the title for the most terrifying elevators I've ever been in.

I remember with those ones, I would actively seek to take the stairs rather than the elevators.

They would always break down, so on a 26 story building, we'd have only 1 or 2 elevators working. Getting out at lunch time or going downstairs to get a coffee at 10:00am would be horrible. You'd wait 10 minutes or more.

So far, the best elevators that I have been on are the MacGREGOR/KONE elevators on the Carnival Pride. I don't know if they are MRL elevators or not, however they are definately not hydraulic elevators. The elevators on the Carnival Pride even talked, indicating the deck they arrive at.

KONE actually offers two MRL products: the EcoSpace and MonoSpace. The EcoSpace is designed for low-rise buildings as an energy-efficient alternative to hydraulic elevators, while the MonoSpace is designed for medium-rise buildings as an alternative to conventional traction elevators.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:46 pm



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 2):
If I were to pick one, it would be Schlinder's lift

You beat me to it; I recall that their advertising tagline was "people moving people" which I thought was rather appropriate.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
Yes, Otis does still make elevators, and they are still the overall market leader worldwide (not sure about the U.S. though).

Isn't their UK headquarters in Reading* (Otis, Reading?)

I guess some are more prominent than others; like every industry, it goes through its ups and downs.


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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:01 am



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 20):
You beat me to it; I recall that their advertising tagline was "people moving people" which I thought was rather appropriate.

Well, there are hardly any Schindler elevators (if any) at the UNM main campus. Dover seems to be the most common, with some KONE and Otis elevators in a few places. UNM's two newest buildings (Centennial Engineering Center and George Pearl Hall) both have ThyssenKrupp elevators, although I don't remember if the two at George Pearl Hall are hydraulic or traction since I don't go there very often. However, KONE provides all the maintenance on all campus elevators regardless of brand.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:43 am

I've never given elevator brands a thought even though I was employed as a courier for a few months after college, and subsequently took many elevator rides per day. However, I encountered an interesting statistic the other day on Wikipedia (which is always right), that Italy has more elevators than the US (#2).
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:17 am

My uncle owns OTIS in East Africa so you know where I pledge my allegiance.  Wink
 
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:24 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):

So far, the best elevators that I have been on are the MacGREGOR/KONE elevators on the Carnival Pride. I don't know if they are MRL elevators or not, however they are definately not hydraulic elevators. The elevators on the Carnival Pride even talked, indicating the deck they arrive at.

I'll elaborate on my story a little. Big grin In my old office, you'd hear a lift come rushing down very fast, and then the doors would open and you'll see a whole group of pale-faced public servants stumble out, in absolute silence!

Everyone would else would nod, they knew.. It's why we avoided those lifts as much as possible.  Wink I had the plummet from hell a few times, and the getting stuck once. They were sheer terror.
 
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:32 pm



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 22):
I've never given elevator brands a thought even though I was employed as a courier for a few months after college, and subsequently took many elevator rides per day. However, I encountered an interesting statistic the other day on Wikipedia (which is always right), that Italy has more elevators than the US (#2).

Interesting. I wonder who is the dominant brand there. It seems that Otis and ThyssenKrupp seem to be the largest brands in the U.S., although it seems that KONE has gained a bit of popularity. Schindler, on the other hand, seems to be larger in the escalator business rather than the elevator business. However, worldwide, Schindler is the #2 elevator manufacturer behind Otis (#1), and ahead of ThyssenKrupp (#3) and KONE (#4).
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:28 am

Otis for the win! I think they are the company that first invented the lock if the cables snap,
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:35 pm



Quoting Thetuna (Reply 26):
Otis for the win! I think they are the company that first invented the lock if the cables snap,

Um, they invented the first passenger elevator period. I know the Otis name has lots of prestige, however, I wouldn't say that their quality is any better or worse than the other manufacturers. Otis actually offers their own MRL elevator now (the Otis Gen2), and I haven't heard of any issues with them, unlike the ThyssenKrupp ISIS.
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:50 pm

DEFINITELY the ones that offer a "close door" switch / key!!
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Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:13 pm

Over in this neck of the woods, I nominate ShinMaywa, small as their market may be. Mitsubishi and Hitachi elevators blow goats.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:32 pm



Quoting LH526 (Reply 28):
DEFINITELY the ones that offer a "close door" switch / key!!

Most newer elevators will generally have a door close button. There are a few on the UNM campus that don't, however, most of them do.

However, on some newer KONE elevators, there is a Door Hold (DH) button, where one press of the button holds the door open without having to hold the button. To remove the hold, just press the button again.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:49 pm

Sorry to bump again, however, today I have just gotten an email from the project manager for Mitchell Hall, and have just learned that the new elevator will include hall lanterns (with an audible tone) and a voice annunciation system. I know some people find voice annunciation to be annoying, however, the visually impaired would find it helpful. After all, the new elevator is going to be more ADA compliant, as it will be larger than the existing elevator. The hall lanterns with the tone as well as a voice annunciation system seems like an excellent idea for full ADA compliance.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:57 pm

Anyone but Kone. I can't believe how popular they are on here! We have them at work, and they are ALWAYS doing something stupid, or being 'maintained' or out of service. I'm sick to the back teeth of them! The most annoying thing they constantly do is when when you get in, press the button for the desired floor, then when the doors are nearly closed they spring open again and the exercise has to be repeated! All four lifts in the building do this, and have done so for at least the three years I've been using them. Grrrr.
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:10 am



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 32):
The most annoying thing they constantly do is when when you get in, press the button for the desired floor, then when the doors are nearly closed they spring open again and the exercise has to be repeated!

The fact that the floor button needs to be pressed again is the sign of a passenger protection device having been activated to prevent the lift from moving. This could be due to overloading, or a misalignment somewhere. This is not a design feature -- as you said Kone is a popular brand.
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Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 am



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 33):
The fact that the floor button needs to be pressed again is the sign of a passenger protection device having been activated to prevent the lift from moving. This could be due to overloading, or a misalignment somewhere. This is not a design feature

All the lifts do the same thing, and I don't think they're all that heavily used. Anyway, I'm no expert on lifts of course, all I know is that they've never worked sensibly for me!
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RE: Poll - Favorite Elevator Brand

Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:28 am

You know, I thought buses were far enough, but elevators? Really?  Wink
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