andz
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Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:57 am

I have a PC at work with a clinical information system installed on it and the hard drive is full. I have had this system for a couple of years now and it has had service packs and lots of patches installed, and uses Sybase ASE, so to reinstall from scratch on a bigger drive will take forever. The PC is an Advantech integrated touch screen terminal so there is no provision inside the box for installing a second drive.

So has anyone any experience with disk imaging software? There are plenty out there if I do a search but I would prefer something that comes recommended following a positive experience.
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Klaus
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:13 pm

Do you have complete backups? A full restore from a backup to the new drive might just do the trick.

If you don't, this might be the right time to consider it. After all, even the new drive could fail on you at any moment.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:24 pm

The backup restore isn't going to install the operating system. I have done an image restore once previously (on another system) using Symantec Ghost and it installed Windows NT and the system software onto a virgin drive, ready to use. The programs I have installed on the PC required extensive changes to the registry settings and other Windows structures so I want to preserve all that too.

The backup and failure issue is another reason I want to do this image backup. Unfortunately convincing the bean counters at work to buy a program that will be used once in a blue moon is going to be futile.
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Klaus
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:32 pm

I see. For Windows PCs I have no recommendations, but I'm sure somebody else will be able to help you there. Good luck!
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:40 pm

Use XXClone. ( www.xxclone.com ) There's a nifty "make target bootable" utility included to make a complete hard drive copy, but it will not with Vista which has an added feature which makes bootability more complex compared to XP.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:26 am



Quoting Andz (Reply 2):
Unfortunately convincing the bean counters at work to buy a program that will be used once in a blue moon is going to be futile.

...Until 30 seconds after you tell those same beancounters your entire system and all the data on it just was lost due to the system failing...

OTOH my employer goes by the "rule" of if a certain peice of data hasn't been backed up at least 6 times in it's lifecycle up to this point back it up to a LTO/DDS tape....(tongue in cheek to some degree, but seriously we have at least 4-6 backups of every second of data collected in the field and/or office, not to mention older backups that went to the offsite vault...
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andz
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:10 am



Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 5):

I know what you mean!

Thanks for the replies, I will make a plan to do something this week.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:45 am

It's unfortunate that this basic system management capability is an extra cost on Windows, when so many other OSes (including, but not limited to) OS X include it. I chalk this up to antipiracy measures.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:25 am



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
It's unfortunate that this basic system management capability is an extra cost on Windows, when so many other OSes (including, but not limited to) OS X include it. I chalk this up to antipiracy measures.

The irony is, Microsoft has done that for other things, comes under heavy criticism for doing it and by extension squashing third party competitors and then the EU sues them.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:21 am

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 8):
The irony is, Microsoft has done that for other things, comes under heavy criticism for doing it and by extension squashing third party competitors and then the EU sues them.

If users actually had a choice of removing Internet Explorer from Windows and if Microsoft made a good-faith effort of supporting open standards instead of their bastardized Microsoft-only versions, there would be a whole lot fewer complaints.

[Edited 2009-02-15 02:22:00]
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:36 pm

Microsoft has come under criticism for other things besides IE, such as including disk management and defragging programs in Windows.

As for IE, I think that whole thing is a lot of crying by the Europeans. So what if it can't be removed, it doesn't mean you can't install the browser of your choice and make it the default. I haven't used it in years except for the occasional website....and if a computer manufacturer wanted to preinstall another browser, nothing prevents them from doing so.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:02 pm

Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 5):
...Until 30 seconds after you tell those same beancounters your entire system and all the data on it just was lost due to the system failing...

I learned an important rule about such things many years ago.

Be sure you document your recommendation, including the recommendation to buy a supported software product in a memo. In the memo, warn your supervisor and the bean counters the system will fail and go offline without moving to a new hard drive.

Make sure you get a reply denying your plan to buy a supported software program before touching the box. I would not touch the box with freeware without written direction from my supervisor.

You can avoid being too confrontational about this by asking for approval of a short project plan for the change, including document your concerns about the install/ image process.

I've worked with Ghost for years, though where I worked moved away from Ghost to custom scripted OS builts/ rebuilds and app installs.

Recently I had a need to move both Vista on one computer and XP on another to new hard drives - and Acronis True Image worked perfectly. I also found it an excellent backup solution to implement on my home network.

http://www.acronis.com/

[Edited 2009-02-15 12:05:00]
 
andz
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:12 pm

Sounds like good advice.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 11):
Acronis True Image worked perfectly

This is what the developers of my system in Helsinki are using. It isn't that expensive so I will use my charm to get it bought!
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:21 pm



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 10):
As for IE, I think that whole thing is a lot of crying by the Europeans. So what if it can't be removed

That's the point. It can't be removed and is made an integral part of the OS which is required for certain tasks, which skews the competitive landscape in favour of IE. That is quite clearly the attempt to leverage the OS monopoly to achieve a similar monopoly in the browser market. That is what the objections refer to.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:56 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
That's the point. It can't be removed and is made an integral part of the OS which is required for certain tasks, which skews the competitive landscape in favour of IE. That is quite clearly the attempt to leverage the OS monopoly to achieve a similar monopoly in the browser market. That is what the objections refer to.

I have not personally found a "requirement" to use IE in any Windows task yet, other than a few bad websites(hardly the fault of MS). Nor have I found any limitations on my ability to replace it for what it is, a browser.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend Disk Imaging Freeware?

Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:36 pm

ActiveX and Active-something can be a problem in other browsers which will need 3rd party components but afaik, at least Mozilla is patchable.
I'm not sure if you can successfully initiate Windows autoupdating if your IE is severely acting up, but manual update by other means is of course an option.

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