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Sheriff Deputy Assaults 15 Y/o Girl In Jail Cell

Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:54 pm

King County Sheriff Deputy assaults 15 year old girl in jail cell. Deputy Paul Schene has been charged with fourth-degree assault.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kPVM_SfclM


The man has apparently also been in the spotlight before, for his behaviour.


It's sick... and to a 15 year old...
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:23 pm

It is disgusting...assaulting a girl like that. He was probably on a power trip and as a result the poor girl got mauled. His balls should be put in a vice and beaten by a hammer....then we'll see how powerful he is.
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:28 pm

OMG, this is just sick. How can one do something like this?
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:09 pm

A former cop in jail for assaulting a girl? I hope they'll put him into a regular cell, not in isolation. I'll wonder how long he'll last....

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Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:20 pm

When I see something like that I always wish to get 5 minutes with a guy like that to show him what it is like to get beaten up. Freakin a$$hole.

That is just sick!
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:05 pm

This b@$#ard won't get what he deserves, I don't think.
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:08 pm



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
This b@$#ard won't get what he deserves

He deserves nothing less than this:

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 1):
His balls should be put in a vice and beaten by a hammer

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Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:14 pm

What is even more sick:

- The fact that the Sheriff Deputy doesn't think it is..
- The fact that there is a potential that he may come out of this smelling like a rose.
- The fact that this little girl will live with this for the rest of her life, especially her relationships towards other men.

I really hope that justice is served in this case. My prayers go out ot the victim and relatives.

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Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 6):
He deserves nothing less than this:

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 1):
His balls should be put in a vice and beaten by a hammer

 checkmark  And I doubt that or something comparable is what he'll get.
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:58 pm

I saw in TV news and totally shocked.

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 1):
His balls should be put in a vice and beaten by a hammer....then we'll see how powerful he is.

OMG. That's really hurts!

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Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:03 pm

Oh, cops who get put in jail rarely do well with their inmates. Or the guards. Neither prison guards nor inmates have much respect for cops who beat up 15yo girls.

He'll learn what it's like to get beaten up. And raped.
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Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 9):
Sheriff - Ohhh Charlie hit me. Charlie hit my balls. Ahhh Ohhh... ouch ooouch Charlie that really hurts.

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Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:38 pm

I guess 15 year old girls in trouble already, should not kick shoes at policemen, not too smart, she seems to have committed assault on the officer first. Her shoe struck the officer in the leg. He can now go out on disability, she can sue for a pile of money. You wonder why we are so screwed up? He will not go to jail. I wonder what she was in the cell for? I do not think she sells Girl Scout Cookies after school.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
I guess 15 year old girls in trouble already, should not kick shoes at policemen, not too smart, she seems to have committed assault on the officer first. Her shoe struck the officer in the leg.

So she lightly kicked her shoe off and hit the officer, that gives two officers the right to charge into the cell and literly beat the living shit out of a 15 year old girl?
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:59 pm

I only wish I had been the officer putting the cuffs on that bastard. The thin blue line is long gone.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
she seems to have committed assault on the officer first. Her shoe struck the officer in the leg. He can now go out on disability

Disability? What are US officers made of? Donut-jelly? For someone who you believe to be ready for disabilty, he is still mighty capable of kicking the crap out of a 15 year old. What a brave man indeed.
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:11 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
I guess 15 year old girls in trouble already, should not kick shoes at policemen, not too smart, she seems to have committed assault on the officer first. Her shoe struck the officer in the leg.

So she lightly kicked her shoe off and hit the officer, that gives two officers the right to charge into the cell and literly beat the living shit out of a 15 year old girl?

She was wrong to do that. However, The response was very disproportionate. You don't punch someone you have restrained in the head and you don't yank someone to their feet by their hair. He deserved to be sanctioned however a judge and jury see fit
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:12 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
So she lightly kicked her shoe off and hit the officer, that gives two officers the right to charge into the cell and literly beat the living shit out of a 15 year old girl?

I did not say that, we do not know what went on before she kicked her shoe off and hit the officer, we cannot jump to conclusions and wish jail time for the officer. It was not too smart on her part, she got the beating, rightly, or wrongly. If her shoe struck the officer softly, or hard, it was assault. It could have been brick, or a shoe, it was assault. These somewhat quick judgements, are just that, personal judgements. We will have to let it play out in court. It looked like he did over react by the way, but beat the living shit out of her, hardly. Some times you have to take your lumps for your actions, they both should.
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RE: Sheriff Deputy Assaults 15 Y/o Girl In Jail Cell

Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:14 pm

Just seen this on the news (UK), absoulutely disgusting!

Never mind prison guards or inmates taking a dislike to this guy I doubt any self respecting police officer will 'thank' him for bringing there occupation into disrepute! Police Officers have a hard enough time as it is without tossers like this floating about.
 
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Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 15):
For someone who you believe to be ready for disabilty, he is still mighty capable of kicking the crap out of a 15 year old. What a brave man indeed.

Obviously, you did not understand my point about the way things go these days in the US, everybody has a disability and everyone sues, do you get my point now?
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Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 16):

She was wrong to do that. However, The response was very disproportionate. You don't punch someone you have restrained in the head and you don't yank someone to their feet by their hair. He deserved to be sanctioned however a judge and jury see fit

You are correct, he over reacted when he punched her, he does deserve to be disiplined for that. She started the confrontation, they will both pay, seems fair to me. Ask an older policemen, how they were taugh to control an out of control women years ago, it was not a hand full of hair, on her head, it was a hand full of hair much lower, and dammed if it did not work.
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Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 16):
She was wrong to do that.

I'll agree with you on that, a lot of kids these days show no respect to anyone, but that hardly justifies such a beating.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):

I wasn't sure what direction your original post was going off in, which is why I asked you.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
we cannot jump to conclusions

No, we can't. All we have is a video and media to give us the information we're basing our opinions on.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
It was not too smart on her part, she got the beating, rightly, or wrongly

She got it wrongly. I'll agree, it wasn't smart on her behalf, but a minor to get beat up like that is absolutly disturbing.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
If her shoe struck the officer softly, or hard, it was assault. It could have been brick, or a shoe, it was assault

Assault is a very overused word these days.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
These somewhat quick judgements, are just that, personal judgements.

We all have our different views  Wink

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
We will have to let it play out in court

Absolutly.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
It looked like he did over react by the way, but beat the living shit out of her, hardly.

Watch the video again and explain to me how that is not beating the living shit out of her.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 17):
Some times you have to take your lumps for your actions, they both should.

She should get what ever sentence she deserves for being in there in the first place and he be getting the maximum sentence for assualting an minor. Not just for the assualt, but also because of the abuse of his authoraitive position.
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:46 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 21):
Assault is a very overused word these days.

It most certainly is here anyway, and usually we find it used by wrongdoers it seems when they are caught doing wrong. One cannot restrain a person without violence, this was a case of overeation.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 21):
We all have our different views

No question, my views are somewhat less sympathetic to most in a jail cell. 99.9% usually belong there. I have been there myself, kid stuff, and dammed if I did not deserve it. Just a few hours until parent came, not nice for me.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 21):
Watch the video again and explain to me how that is not beating the living shit out of her.

They only thing out of whack was the two punchs, that was excessive, no call for that. He restrained her and removed her from the cell. He was not too professional, no doubt about it.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 21):
She should get what ever sentence she deserves for being in there in the first place and he be getting the maximum sentence for assualting an minor. Not just for the assualt, but also because of the abuse of his authoraitive position.

Yes and well, use of excessive force while restraining the minor, who assaulted him. The question is also, did he know she was minor, probably did. Lawyers love this stuff, that is why there is no respect for authority anymore.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
It most certainly is here anyway, and usually we find it used by wrongdoers it seems when they are caught doing wrong. One cannot restrain a person without violence, this was a case of overeation.

I find that the term (among other terms) gets overused and abused by both sides.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
No question, my views are somewhat less sympathetic to most in a jail cell. 99.9% usually belong there. I have been there myself, kid stuff, and dammed if I did not deserve it. Just a few hours until parent came, not nice for me.

I agree, most people in a cell are there for a reason, BUT there needs to be a line drawn on how the officers can treat the prisoner. I don't know about your neck of the woods, but around here, the RCMP is under extreme scrutiny in their disturbing lack of professionalism and constant investigations in crossing that line.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
They only thing out of whack was the two punchs, that was excessive, no call for that. He restrained her and removed her from the cell. He was not too professional, no doubt about it.

This is the way I see it ...

- 0:10 he charges in kicking her.
- 0:11 he throws her up against the back wall.
- 0:12 he grabs the back of her hair and throws her face first on the floor.
- 0:18 he punches her in the head twice.
- 0:44 after handcuffing her, he pulls the back of her hair and lifts her up by her hair.
- 0:45 still pulling her hair, he escorts her out of the cell.

If we're talking about a grown man punching and kicking at the officers, I could side with the officers. But a 15 year old girl to get treated like that, IMHO, is not only unprofessional but very disturbing.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
Lawyers love this stuff, that is why there is no respect for authority anymore.

As do counselors, pyschologists and everyone else who thinks its their job raising your kid and not the parents.
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:11 pm



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
No question, my views are somewhat less sympathetic to most in a jail cell. 99.9% usually belong there.

On the same page...... all we know what happen in the video but no audio.....

So what facts do we actually have other than the video...... I am against excessive force, but I am sure she is/was not an 15 year old angel to be at the police station in the first place..... have wondered lately too that some of today's teenager have quite the mouth....these kids have to understand that on of these days they will mouth off to the wrong person.....

It is shocking that is for sure...... but I would like to have more info..... there is always 3 sides a story....

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Quoting Swissy (Reply 24):
I am against excessive force, but I am sure she is/was not an 15 year old angel to be at the police station in the first place

What kind of charge would justify that kind of force?

Quoting Swissy (Reply 24):
have wondered lately too that some of today's teenager have quite the mouth....these kids have to understand that on of these days they will mouth off to the wrong person.....

That I agree with.

Quoting Swissy (Reply 24):
It is shocking that is for sure...... but I would like to have more info..... there is always 3 sides a story....

That I also agree with.

BTW, from what I've googled, she was arrested for driving her parents car after they reported it stolen.

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Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:48 pm



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 22):
who assaulted him

assault my a-- !

She gently let one of her shoes fly towards the officer foot... Nothing hard, nothing abusive, nothing that would hurt anyone. To call it assualt is riddiculuse.

Please watch the video again. She is GENTLY letting one of her shoes fly toward him.... and fly is a strong word... Can't possibly have hurt one bit.
 
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
it was a hand full of hair much lower, and dammed if it did not work.

Wait, they taught policemen to sexually assault out-of-control women?
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:25 pm

We all watched the video and i agree his response was what seemed far more than appropriate. But, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, we do not know what went on between the two persons before they got to the holding cell and her kicking her shoe at him might have been the last straw, so to speak.

Yes, he is a lot bigger and a lot stronger than her and the response shouldn't have been that severe and I certainly don't condone the response at all, but let this all play out in court and see what might have happened prior to this video starting.
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:27 pm

I knew there was going to be some people that would justify beating on a disarmed kid that had pretty much nowhere to go.

How unsurprising.

As for the guy, I'm sure he will enjoy the stay in prison, as an inmate this time.
 
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Quoting Mortyman (Reply 26):
assault my a-- !

She gently let one of her shoes fly towards the officer foot... Nothing hard, nothing abusive, nothing that would hurt anyone. To call it assualt is riddiculuse.

This is what really concerns me. It seems to some that simply not being cooperative is considered some sort of assault where the officer feels "threatened" and justifies that for using excessive force.
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 25):
What kind of charge would justify that kind of force?

That is a good question....... have 3 kids myself and it is a 30hr. job a day just to remind them about respect & manners........
We do not know what else she did...... but I have to agree it takes a bigger person to stay calm and cool.... and yes it is easier said than done...

When I was 15 years old (long time ago) I darn well know what was right and wrong.... and I would have to lie if I said I was an angel.... I received what I deserved after all.....

She was for sure old enough to dish it out.... perhaps she met the wrong person this time.....

Quoting Acheron (Reply 29):
I knew there was going to be some people that would justify beating on a disarmed kid that had pretty much nowhere to go.

What is your definition of "kid"......

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):
Wait, they taught policemen to sexually assault out-of-control women?

When I went to police school, that was a legitimate control option, taught and used. You have to remember, we did not have all the whinners we have today, People tended to take their punishment and get over it. It was usually drunken women, on men we used a claw, now that was a tough one.
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Quoting Acheron (Reply 29):
As for the guy, I'm sure he will enjoy the stay in prison, as an inmate this time.

He will not go to jail, not called for.
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Quoting Mortyman (Reply 26):
She gently let one of her shoes fly towards the officer foot... Nothing hard, nothing abusive, nothing that would hurt anyone. To call it assualt is riddiculuse.

Please watch the video again. She is GENTLY letting one of her shoes fly toward him.... and fly is a strong word... Can't possibly have hurt one bit.

I understand your point, there are degrees of assualt, when the shoe hit the officer, there it is, assualt. She kicked the shoe intentionally. It is like me laying my hand on a womans back, very gently, but she could charge me with assualt. No one is saying that the policeman was not physical.
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Quoting Swissy (Reply 31):
When I was 15 years old (long time ago) I darn well know what was right and wrong.... and I would have to lie if I said I was an angel.... I received what I deserved after all.....

The difference then and now, you caused the problem, you paid. I was raised the same way, there was a price to pay and you did not whine about it.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:21 am

We cant see in the video, but if she is still struggling, his 2 blows are legal.

That said, he needs a vacation.
 
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 32):

When I went to police school, that was a legitimate control option, taught and used. You have to remember, we did not have all the whinners we have today, People tended to take their punishment and get over it.

I'm sorry, but touching a woman's genitals against her will is rape. I find that disgusting.
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Quoting Acheron (Reply 29):
I knew there was going to be some people that would justify beating on a disarmed kid that had pretty much nowhere to go.

So, if a teenage gang-banger gets thrown in a holding cell, a cop walks in, and he lunges on the cop, the cop has no right to fight back?
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 21):
Watch the video again and explain to me how that is not beating the living shit out of her.

People who have had the living shit beat out of them aren't capable of walking and are generally unconcious. There was not even any blood. She was inappropriately handled with excessive force but this was a pretty minor assault.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
it was a hand full of hair much lower

???!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):
Wait, they taught policemen to sexually assault out-of-control women?

Thats what I'm saying. How revolting.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
I'm sorry, but touching a woman's genitals against her will is rape. I find that disgusting.

Agreed there are plenty of civilized ways to handle an out of control person that do not involve touching them in the genitals. This doesn't even seem practical. Someone is wildly out of control and you are able to reach down their pants or up their skirt and yank their short n' curlies?
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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 38):

So, if a teenage gang-banger gets thrown in a holding cell, a cop walks in, and he lunges on the cop, the cop has no right to fight back?

Where did anyone say that?

Kicking a shoe at someone in no way merits getting slammed to the floor, having your head repeatedly bashed, and then getting yanked up by the hair.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
Where did anyone say that?

He said 'unarmed kid.' Since they are in a holding cell, they are essentially unarmed. 15 year old girl, or 14 year old boy thug. Both are kids, and according to him, neither should be hurt.
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Quoting Swissy (Reply 31):
have 3 kids myself and it is a 30hr. job a day just to remind them about respect & manners........

That isn't an easy job by any means, I don't envy you one bit ...  Silly

Quoting Swissy (Reply 31):
but I have to agree it takes a bigger person to stay calm and cool.... and yes it is easier said than done...

It does and I agree, its much easier said than done. But, if the bigger person (in this case, the officer who should know better) doesn't stay cool, he should also stand up to the consequences.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 32):
on men we used a claw

I'm not even gonna ask ...  scared 

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 33):
He will not go to jail, not called for.

I think it is called for. If you did that to your own kid, not only would there be a pretty good chance of the kid going into a foster home, you could also face jail time. Why should authority figures be exempt from the same consequences of moral conduct?

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 34):
I understand your point, there are degrees of assualt, when the shoe hit the officer, there it is, assualt. She kicked the shoe intentionally. It is like me laying my hand on a womans back, very gently, but she could charge me with assualt.

Perfect example of why I mean the term is being overused and abused (by both sides).

According to the link I provided in reply 25, the officer said that the shoe hit him in the right shin, "causing injury and pain." and e said a "blood filled pocket" formed on his shin, requiring treatment at Auburn General Hospital. For some reason, I'm just not buying that. I'm not a doctor, but I seriously doubt a sneaker being tossed like that can cause a grown man pain and injury.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 36):

We cant see in the video, but if she is still struggling, his 2 blows are legal.

Wouldn't some common sense be in order here? If we're talking about a 250lb drunk male that can do some serious damage to the officers, I can see it. But, even though teenage girls can be tough and mean, if 2 grown men are on top of a 15 year old girl, 2 blows to the head are completly uncalled for just because she's struggling. If she was attacking them with a weapon, I can see it, but laying face first on the floor with two guys on top of you is disgusting.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 38):
So, if a teenage gang-banger gets thrown in a holding cell, a cop walks in, and he lunges on the cop, the cop has no right to fight back?

The officer has a right to self defence, but it most certainly should be within reason. If she came after him with a dangerous weapon I can see it, but slightly kicking a shoe? Come on!

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 39):
People who have had the living shit beat out of them aren't capable of walking and are generally unconcious. There was not even any blood. She was inappropriately handled with excessive force but this was a pretty minor assault.

Having 2 grown men throw themselves at a 15 year old girl, kicking her, throwing her against a wall, pulling her hair, throwing her on the floor, punching her in the head twice, pulling her up by her hair isn't a minor assault, thats pretty serious from my point of view.

Now, another thing I've been thinking about. She was arrested for driving her parents car who reported it stolen. While being an illegal offence, wouldn't it have been more prudent just to take her home simply because of the relationship to the stolen car and go from there? For all we know, they did and they said just haul her ass off to jail for the night. But, giving her the benefit of the doubt (just for arguements sake), why not let her parents deal with her first and go from there?
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 42):
She was arrested for driving her parents car who reported it stolen. While being an illegal offence, wouldn't it have been more prudent just to take her home simply because of the relationship to the stolen car and go from there? For all we know, they did and they said just haul her ass off to jail for the night. But, giving her the benefit of the doubt (just for arguements sake), why not let her parents deal with her first and go from there?

Looks to me like her parents are dealing with it. They chose to report the theft and teach her that her actions have serious consequences. I applaud them for this. Better to teach her now as a minor that you break the law and you can go to jail than to shield her from the consequences of her actions so that she will suffer really serious consequences later in life when you can no longer do so. Protecting your kid from the consequence of their actions does them no favors .

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 42):
isn't a minor assault, thats pretty serious from my point of view.

Fair enough it's somewhere between minor assault and living shit kicked out of her. Closer to minor assault though on that spectrum.
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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 41):

He said 'unarmed kid.' Since they are in a holding cell, they are essentially unarmed. 15 year old girl, or 14 year old boy thug. Both are kids, and according to him, neither should be hurt.

Did you have to take special training to learn to put words in someone's mouth like that? That was pretty neat.

Having a kid "lunge" at you is a bit different than having a kid kick a shoe at you. And even with the "lunge," an officer is to DEFEND himself. He is not to beat up the perp. He is to disable/subdue the perp enough to restrain him/her. This was one 15yo girl and two very large male cops. I alone could have subdued her and restrained her without having to hit her. Lord knows I occasionally have to subdue violent teenagers in my job.
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Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 43):
Looks to me like her parents are dealing with it. They chose to report the theft and teach her that her actions have serious consequences.

But the parents didn't know that their daughter was taking it out for a joyride until after they caught her. I must admit an error on my behalf, the officers didn't know the releationship unitl afterwards, so I guess the reason why they took her to the station is answered. However, if they would have known, would it be an option for them to take her back home first?

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 43):
Fair enough it's somewhere between minor assault and living shit kicked out of her. Closer to minor assault though on that spectrum.

Sorry, there is no way I'll ever see that as a minor assault simply by the the fact that it is a 15 year old girl and not a 250lb 35 year old male attacking the officers.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 44):
Having a kid "lunge" at you is a bit different than having a kid kick a shoe at you. And even with the "lunge," an officer is to DEFEND himself. He is not to beat up the perp. He is to disable/subdue the perp enough to restrain him/her.

That I agree with 100%. I see a very big difference between the two.
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 45):
However, if they would have known, would it be an option for them to take her back home first?

There is something called Prosecutorial Discression, it does not apply to police officers, when they do such things they are accused of favoritism and a bunch of other "isms". Enforce the law and let the courts work it out.

In most states in the US, merely touching any part of a police officers appendages including his writing pad is considered assualt, remember the dash board pictures of officer against officer who was stopped for a traffic offense. How hard or softly she kicks the officer is irrelevant, the charge will be the same assault. It took me some time to get my head around this concept in the US, in the Caribbean when we say rape we immediately think "coitus", in the states, some states have defined rape with a lower threshold.

Remeber Rodney King, the jury looked at the same tapes that everyone saw and said it was not excessive force, what makes us think that this case will be any different when it goes to court.
 
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RE: Sheriff Deputy Assaults 15 Y/o Girl In Jail Cell

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Quoting Par13del (Reply 46):

As I said earlier, the term "assault", among other terms, are being used completely out of context because the group feeling "threatened" needs some sort of justification for what would normaly be an illegal act. In todays world of lawyers and law makers, its getting easier and easier for certain groups to cover their asses for doing stupid things (that would have severe consequences for the most of us) simply by coming up with such ludicrious accusations and hiding behind terms that are being twisted and turned to suit their benefits.

Just for the hell of it, the dictionary defines assault as:

1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught: an assault on tradition.
2. Law. an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.


A 15 year old girl lightly kicking her shoe is not a sudden, violent attack or onslaught now is it?

A 15 year old girl lightly kiking her shoe is not an unlawful physical attack upon another or an attempt to offer to do violence to another without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.

A 15 year old girl lightly kicking her shoe is nothing more that a stupid teen being lippy. Thats it! Nothing more, nothing less!

Of course, all the lawyers and the officers team of professional legal assistance will twist and turn every little word in action to make a grown man look like hes the victim. Just a thought, but why not actually be a grown man? Admit you made a mistake and accept the cosequences.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 35):
The difference then and now, you caused the problem, you paid.

in other words you approve of men beating up on women...nice one!
 
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RE: Sheriff Deputy Assaults 15 Y/o Girl In Jail Cell

Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:28 pm

The cop deserves severe punishment, and this was an inexcusable, serious assault, and a total disgrace to his public office - let me state that unequivocally.

However:

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 1):
His balls should be put in a vice and beaten by a hammer.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
He'll learn what it's like to get beaten up. And raped.

These are similarly savage and disproportionate reactions to the one being criticised in this very incident.

He should be punished severely by the courts, but he does not deserve to be maimed, tortured or raped for such an assault.
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