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Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:53 pm

An Israeli author and political scientist, calls Norwegians " a barbaric and non inteligent people with a sickening urge to go against world opinion... "


Manfred Gerstenfeld spoke out in heavy terms today in an interview with Norwegian television against the Norwegian oposition..


He called Norway the most antisemitic nation in Europe.

The critisism comes in connection with the fact that Norway, from march will take over and lead the Task Force Holocaust, a position that the Israeli akademic means that Norway should'nt have had.


- Norway has been in the forfront of oposition against Israel with clear signs of antisemitism.

He says that the main problem for Norway is that there is'nt an oposition in Norway that can say clearly that this is shameful for the Norwegian society,....


He finds it especially shocking that Norway has a finance minister that has rallied against the war in Gaza.

- It's antisemitic pioneering, says the Israeli akademic


- It is'nt a coinsidence that the only contribution to international political science is the name " Quisling ", he says


http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/01/n...heter/antisemittisme/tv_2/5096280/

http://www.tv2nyhetene.no/utenriks/article2599956.ece

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/midtosten/artikkel.php?artid=537269


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All I can say is when we got friends like this, who needs enemies....  

I must say I disagree with his comments. Norway is more balanced in it's critisism of the parties in the conflict, that is all. Most Norwegians don't beleave that the one side is better than the other in the conflict. That they both have alot to answer for.

[Edited 2009-03-01 15:59:25]
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:11 am

I had a very cute beautiful friend (blonde, blue eyes and very ahem........busty) from Norway during my time at art school in Savannah Georgia.

I've heard jokes from people from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark about who is more intelligent, stupid, beautiful, ugly etc etc.

I've never noticed any great amount of anti semitism from anyone from Norway or even my brother in law who is Danish.
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:21 am

Don't be too concerned, after all, the more extreme opinion does throw up this fig-leaf of calling anyone, anywhere, who questions Israel as 'anti-semitic'.
Clearly as children they were not told the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf .

A colleague who once worked with me at BA married a Norwegian girl, now is happily settled in Oslo.
What he tells me does not chime with this dickhead.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:18 am



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Most Norwegians don't beleave that the one side is better than the other in the conflict. That they both have alot to answer for

Well and here is the big mistake. If you are not with Israel then you are anti Semite. Staying fair and not taking sides will not do.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:34 am

Didn't you get the memo?

Any and all criticism of Israel and/or its policies are blatant anti-semitism and inherent collusion with Nazism, Holocaust denial, and murder of puppies and bunny-rabbits.

I swear, it's true!

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Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:01 am

Clearly he didn't read his history.....something about Hitler demanding Jews in Norway to wear stars of David and the king of Norway responding that all citizens, jewish and non-jewish will wear them in that case, sounds really anti-semitic to me. Then again wasn't it Rabin who assasinated a norwegian official? Pot....kettle calling.....
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:09 am

A common and comforting coping mechanism is to believe that people don't like you because of who you are as opposed to what you do.

It's similar to Americans believing they are terrorist targets because they are free and wealthy as opposed to because of what they do in the ME.

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Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:34 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 5):
Clearly he didn't read his history.....something about Hitler demanding Jews in Norway to wear stars of David and the king of Norway responding that all citizens, jewish and non-jewish will wear them in that case, sounds really anti-semitic to me

Clearly a history lesson is needed:

The Jewish community grew slowly until World War II and bolstered by refugees in the late 1930s, peaked at about 2,100. During the Nazi rule under the Nazi occupation of Norway, nearly all Jews were either deported to death camps or fled to Sweden and beyond.

During the war, civilian Norwegian police (politiet) in many cases helped the German occupiers in the apprehension of those Jews who failed to escape in time. Records show that during the Holocaust, 758 Norwegian Jews were murdered by the Nazis—mostly in Auschwitz. Many of the Jews who fled during the war did not return, and in 1946, there were only 559 Jews in Norway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_Norway


Perhaps he has a point.

Norway - a paradigm for antisemitism, by Manfred Gerstenfeld
‘I would like to take the opportunity to remember all the billions of fleas and lice that lost their lives in German gas chambers, without having done anything wrong other than settling on persons of Jewish background.”

This is what Norwegian comedian Otto Jespersen said on Thursday 27 November on the country’s largest commercial TV station. Much worse, however, is that the director of the station defended this expression of “satire.”

A week later Jespersen, in his weekly TV appearance, gave a “satiric” monologue of mixed anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli remarks. He concluded by wishing the Jews a happy Christmas. But then as an afterthought, he said this was not proper as the Jews had murdered Jesus. Two years ago the same comedian burned pages from the Tanach in front of a TV camera, but this was no reason to terminate his employment. Jespersen explained that he wouldn’t burn the Koran if he wanted to live longer than a week.

LAST WEEK, on four consecutive days, there were anti-Israeli articles in Norway’s second-largest daily Aftenposten. The first called for a general boycott of Israel. The second promoted an academic boycott, falsely accusing Israeli physicians of participating in torture and the Israeli Medical Association of remaining silent about it. Any honest debater would have reported that Israeli hospitals routinely treat Palestinian children, some of whom express joy when suicide bombers kill Israelis. One wonders whether any other country would allow this.
http://www.eiscablog.eu/norway-a-par...ntisemitism-by-manfred-gerstenfeld
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:07 am

It seems there is only one ethnic prejudice element in the story, that a man from Israel believes that Norwegians are a "barbaric and non intelligent people." It is sad that people have ethnic hatreds like that.

Would it be equally scandalous to accuse Israeli academics of being anti-Norwegian? I believe it would. And here we have one unit of evidence to suggest that very thing.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Any and all criticism of Israel and/or its policies are blatant anti-semitism and inherent collusion with Nazism, Holocaust denial, and murder of puppies and bunny-rabbits.

It seems that way.
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:09 am

Since when does disagreeing with Israel's military actions = antisemitism, and justify stereotyping an entire nation?

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Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:31 am



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
An Israeli author and political scientist, calls Norwegians " a barbaric and non inteligent people with a sickening urge to go against world opinion... "

Norway has one of the world's highest per capita income's, and has one of the best human rights records in the world. If this makes Norwegians "barbaric and non intelligent", then I shudder to think what Manfred Gerstenfeld must think of his fellow Israeli's using the same logic.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:47 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Any and all criticism of Israel and/or its policies are blatant anti-semitism and inherent collusion with Nazism, Holocaust denial, and murder of puppies and bunny-rabbits.

What about the clubbing of baby seals?

Seriously, this is what he can come up with? "Barbaric and non-intelligent"? I have seen better comebacks in kindergarten playgrounds by kids 5 minutes after they have been shoved face first into the sandbox.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:58 am



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):

What about the clubbing of baby seals?

I forgot about that...

I'm sorry, but I'm glad that I've sworn off Judaism as my religion. The state of Israel has given us all a bad name.

"Never again" so you throw people in ghettos and start bombing them. It just smacks of a slightly version of what the Nazis did to us.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:02 am



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Norway has one of the world's highest per capita income's, and has one of the best human rights records in the world. If this makes Norwegians "barbaric and non intelligent", then I shudder to think what Manfred Gerstenfeld must think of his fellow Israeli's using the same logic.

The only blot on Norway's human rights record is the terrible treatment of the children of German military personal after WW2, these kids were often institutionalised, treated like dirt, had difficulty getting education and jobs. Apart from that and the terrible roads I can't think of anything the Norwegians do wrong.
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:48 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Apart from that and the terrible roads I can't think of anything the Norwegians do wrong.

Apparently you've never had Norwegian food.  duck 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:18 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):

What about the clubbing of baby seals?

I forgot about that...

They probably stab bulls to death too, and what they do with those lovely lovely reindeer is beyond imagination.
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:32 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Apart from that and the terrible roads I can't think of anything the Norwegians do wrong.

Well, if a New Zealander says the roads in Norway are bad then they must be downright suicidal. NZ is a great country but when I was there I was never sure if the roads were actually meant to take you from A to B or just another part of the whole "adventure tourism" thingy New Zealand has going for itself.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:38 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
Well, if a New Zealander says the roads in Norway are bad then they must be downright suicidal. NZ is a great country but when I was there I was never sure if the roads were actually meant to take you from A to B or just another part of the whole "adventure tourism" thingy New Zealand has going for itself.

Norway have terrible roads,iv'e been on them several times,here are some info regarding this

Low nr = Low/bad quality.

Pos 1. France (6.7)
Pos 7. Denmark (6.2)
Pos 18. Sweden (5.6)
Pos 32. Thailand (5.0)
Pos 44. Botswana (4.5)
Pos 48. Norway (4.1)
Pos 50. New zealand (4.1)

List: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article2953194.ece
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:15 pm



Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 17):
Norway have terrible roads,iv'e been on them several times,

When a Swede that cannot even properly use (navigate on) a keyboard claims this, it may only mean that he's gotten too soft in his driving habits and that the Swedish roads gets too much unneeded maintenance.

-Just kidding, I've driven from Oslo to Stockholm quite a few times, and it's amazing how the road-standard changes to the better on the Swedish side on the E18.

Can we now get back to topic?

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Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:35 pm

The usual rubbish - if you criticise Israel or Israeli actions then you are anti-semitic.  sarcastic 

Take the most extreme idiots in Norway as an example and I'm sure you'll find some anti-semitic views or similarly idiotic racist opinions, but then that is true of pretty much any country.
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:48 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Apparently you've never had Norwegian food.

There is nothing wrong with Norwegian food if you stay away from lutefisk, you should only eat lutefisk if drunk.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
They probably stab bulls to death too, and what they do with those lovely lovely reindeer is beyond imagination.

I've never heard of Norwegian clubbing baby seals, whale is pretty good, although it is terrible if over cooked

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
Well, if a New Zealander says the roads in Norway are bad then they must be downright suicidal. NZ is a great country but when I was there I was never sure if the roads were actually meant to take you from A to B or just another part of the whole "adventure tourism" thingy New Zealand has going for itself.

I was back home in NZ over Christmas, boy was I impressed, the roads in NZ are so much better than the crap in Norway it almost made me homesick. The 80kph open road limit is a joke and so is the complete lack of safe places to pass, I wonder why the Norwegian roadbuilders never thought about putting in passing lanes.

With all the money floating around in Norway it's a shame the govt doesn't use it on the crumbling infrastucture.
 
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Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:55 am



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
An Israeli author and political scientist, calls Norwegians " a barbaric and non inteligent people with a sickening urge to go against world opinion... "

The title says it all. Yet another "expert"! That guys like him are even wondering themselves that there are people that can´t stand Israelis. It is a shame that people like him are allowed to publicize such things.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Apparently you've never had Norwegian food.

Do not say that! I never had bad food there.
 
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Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:33 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
(Someone should tell him the Viking era ended centuries ago).

Somehow I'm less scared of Viking Berserkers as a Dark Ages British peasant than I would be as a civilian in Gaza, facing Apache gunships and dum-dums day-to-day.

Barbarism in Norway? Pot - kettle - black.
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Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:50 pm



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 22):
Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
(Someone should tell him the Viking era ended centuries ago).

Somehow I'm less scared of Viking Berserkers as a Dark Ages British peasant than I would be as a civilian in Gaza, facing Apache gunships and dum-dums day-to-day.

Barbarism in Norway? Pot - kettle - black.

Fair point. And in any event, we see every day in the paper what a nice sweet chappie Hagar is. Pity the Vikings never went after Levantine castles and their IGG.
 
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Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:15 pm



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 22):
Somehow I'm less scared of Viking Berserkers as a Dark Ages British peasant than I would be as a civilian in Gaza, facing Apache gunships and dum-dums day-to-day.

I don't know about that, I would be a lot more scared of a giant blond viking wielding an axe hacking me to death than a jewish dude in a helicopter gunship blowing me to smithereens without me even knowing it had happened.
 
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Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:08 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7):
Clearly a history lesson is needed:

The Jewish community grew slowly until World War II and bolstered by refugees in the late 1930s, peaked at about 2,100. During the Nazi rule under the Nazi occupation of Norway, nearly all Jews were either deported to death camps or fled to Sweden and beyond.

During the war, civilian Norwegian police (politiet) in many cases helped the German occupiers in the apprehension of those Jews who failed to escape in time. Records show that during the Holocaust, 758 Norwegian Jews were murdered by the Nazis—mostly in Auschwitz. Many of the Jews who fled during the war did not return, and in 1946, there were only 559 Jews in Norway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocau...orway

It is fair to say that Norway's history under the Nazis is not something the country looks back on with any pride, but it did hang the three leading collobators, including the infamous Quisling.

You could argue that Norway's experience during the war has encouraged it to be a flag bearer against acts of violence elsewhere (and it has to be said that it's hard to find acts of violence more egregious than Israel's acts against the Palestinians, and its heavy handed limitations on imports of reconstructive materials), which was probably what motivated its foreign ministry.

When it comes to civilisation and model societies, my general view is "always go with the Scandinavians", so I dismiss this cheap attack for what it is - and what it's been described by other posters here as being - an attempt to smear opponents of Isreal's actions as anti-semites.

It is also fair to say that the Norway of the 1940s is a whole world away from the Norway of the 21st century. Which country usually comes out first (or at least in the first three) when it comes to being the best places to live in the world? Norway's right up there.
 
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Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:45 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 25):
It is fair to say that Norway's history under the Nazis is not something the country looks back on with any pride, but it did hang the three leading collobators, including the infamous Quisling.

I'm not Norwegian, I do live in Norway, I find the above article you have referenced insulting, what is doesn't mention is the 1000 or so jews saved by Norwegians, read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Righteous_Among_the_Nations

a few jews were killed but a lot more were saved.
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:24 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26):
do live in Norway, I find the above article you have referenced insulting, what is doesn't mention is the 1000 or so jews saved by Norwegians, read this

I'm sorry if I caused offence; it was not my intention to do so; beklager. I have a great deal of respect for Norway, as should be evident from the last part of my post. The article I referenced was actually from an earlier posting on this thread.

Norway is viewed throughout the world as the epitome of civilisation and to bring this thread back to the initial point, nothing this very biased individual said will change that.

And now for something completely different ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNJuP6m9JU
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:22 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26):
I'm not Norwegian, I do live in Norway, I find the above article you have referenced insulting, what is doesn't mention is the 1000 or so jews saved by Norwegians, read this



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 27):
I'm sorry if I caused offence; it was not my intention to do so; beklager. I have a great deal of respect for Norway, as should be evident from the last part of my post. The article I referenced was actually from an earlier posting on this thread.

I think KiwiRob refers to what you quoted by DtwClipper, who was the one who had qouted the Wikiartivle
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:32 am

That should teach the Norwegian government for issuing press releases like these:

http://www.norway.org.ps/Press+Relea...ck+on+UN+building+and+hospital.htm

The case of Manfred Gerstenfeld only shows how desperate the situation of Israel is today. There's no Six-Day War to win any more, international Jewish finance is suffering heavily in the downturn, political support is fading in the Barbaric and non-Barbaric countries alike.

There's even a World Hate Conspiracy against Israel: see Dr Gerstensfeld's (ed.) 2003 book reviewed here:


Gerstenfeld convincingly argues that there is a new common ground on which right-wing Holocaust deniers, leftist European intellectuals and influential Arabs stand united: in their criticism of Israeli policy, and in their hatred of the Jews.


http://www.jcpa.org/mg-myths.htm
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:24 am



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 29):
There's even a World Hate Conspiracy against Israel: see Dr Gerstensfeld's (ed.) 2003 book reviewed here:


Gerstenfeld convincingly argues that there is a new common ground on which right-wing Holocaust deniers, leftist European intellectuals and influential Arabs stand united: in their criticism of Israeli policy, and in their hatred of the Jews.

The review might be more convincing if it started "Gerstenfeld argues that" and THEN tried to show if it was convincing or not. Putting convincing at the beginning is code for, "OK, I am with you regardless of the quality of what you wrote".

In short that extract looks like a diatribe worthy of those he criticises.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:53 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):

They probably stab bulls to death too, and what they do with those lovely lovely reindeer is beyond imagination.

I hear it gets lonely way up north... Scotsmen and their sheep, Norwegians and their reindeer...  duck 
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:51 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):

They probably stab bulls to death too, and what they do with those lovely lovely reindeer is beyond imagination.

I hear it gets lonely way up north... Scotsmen and their sheep, Norwegians and their reindeer..

Certainly seems likely, although round here the focus is on our NZ cousins. I notice, however, that the Hagar strip stays away from such activities - maybe that is suspicious! But would anyone wishing to club a baby seal with a rabbit, kindly come down here to collect the rabbit, they are a bloody plague.

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