oly720man
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Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:56 pm

to the tune of $2.6million.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...us_and_americas/article5864483.ece

for crimes as wicked as, for example

LIKE many other 15-year-old schoolgirls, Hillary Transue was not quite as respectful as she might have been towards the teachers at her Pennsylvania school. Yet she was a clever, computer-savvy pupil who had good grades and had never been in serious trouble.

One day, for a joke, she published a spoof article on the MySpace social networking website, mocking the assistant principal at her high school in Wilkes-Barre. The teacher complained and, to the astonishment of her family, Transue was charged with harassment and hauled into juvenile court.

That was where the family’s surprise turned to horror. After studying the case for two minutes, Judge Mark Ciavarella sentenced Transue to three months in juvenile detention. She was led out of the court in handcuffs.


Scary that there's obviously so much money in jailing kids that such large backhanders can be paid - who actually pays the jails? The state? Scarier that the legal system can so easily be bought and subverted.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:15 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Scarier that the legal system can so easily be bought and subverted.

And sad that because of stupid things like a myspace article that this girl's life is screwed.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:25 pm



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
that this girl's life is screwed.

Is there any possibility of having such a criminal record wiped from the system because of the way the case was handled or are she, and the others in the same boat, stuck with it?
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:34 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):

Well, can't certain offenses be expunged from your record with some sort of just cause... or at least with time, like bankruptcy?

Because I totally agree... it would be horrible if this girl gets stuck with this bogus jail time on her record for the rest of her life because a teacher took a prank personally.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:50 pm



Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
it would be horrible if this girl gets stuck with this bogus jail time on her record for the rest of her life because a teacher took a prank personally.

Was she there because the teacher took a prank personally, or was she there because the judge took a bribe to put her there?

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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:55 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
Is there any possibility of having such a criminal record wiped from the system because of the way the case was handled or are she, and the others in the same boat, stuck with it

Since she's not an adult I would expect that when she turns 18 the record would be sealed anyway, but I would expect that because the conviction was tainted that at the very least it would be reversed on appeal and retried... and that's assuming that the prosecuter didn't take some kind of proactive action first.

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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:57 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Was she there because the teacher took a prank personally, or was she there because the judge took a bribe to put her there?

Perhaps both. But what I want to know is how this teacher found out about it.

Although we don't have the full story, I also want to know what was so offensive to send her to court in the first place. Its one thing (example) to say "stinky old hag" but its definitely not worthy of going to court. Now, if it said "kill the stinky old hag" then I can an issue there.

On these pricks that sent kids to jail for money, the article says 7 years so far. IMHO 7 years is not nearly enough for the potential damages they have done to these kids long term.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:38 pm



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 6):
Although we don't have the full story, I also want to know what was so offensive to send her to court in the first place.

What she did with her Myspace page was

She built a hoax MySpace page in which she posed as the vice-principal of her school, poking fun at her strictness. At the bottom of the page she added a disclaimer just to make sure everyone knew it was a joke. "When you find this I hope you have a sense of humour," she wrote.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...nille-judges-cash-detention-centre

which hardly constitutes a hanging offence. At worst she should have been told off and told to remove it. Why on earth did it get anywhere near a court room?
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:26 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 7):
which hardly constitutes a hanging offence. At worst she should have been told off and told to remove it. Why on earth did it get anywhere near a court room?

I agree and this is an absolute waste of taxpayer money, especially in a freaking recession!!

This girl should be demanded to apologize and that's it, it doesn't even warrant a detention unless she did this on school property using their computers. Trashing people is allowed in the US because if it wasn't their wouldn't be a show called TMZ and several other Tabloids that spew false information every week. They don't go to jail if they get it wrong about a celebrity.

Now for the judge can we disbar him and throw him in jail for 3 months (he probably deserves more) and demand he return this money not to the people who bribed him, jail them too. But use this money to invest in the local community to stimulate their economies.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:59 pm

It sounds like this girl was a victim of a very serious judicial crime. She sounds like a regular kid who got victimized by some kind of crazy crime ring of adults (??). Not her fault.
 
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:30 am



Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
It sounds like this girl was a victim of a very serious judicial crime. She sounds like a regular kid who got victimized by some kind of crazy crime ring of adults (??). Not her fault.

I would agree. But it is her fault for posting something stupid on her MySpace page. The worst thing she could have done was taken it down and pay a small fine, but to send her to jail for three months?! I am appalled!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the girl sues the judge and the school district for this. They just wrecked this girl's life for nothing. Fire that damn teacher!

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 7):
which hardly constitutes a hanging offence. At worst she should have been told off and told to remove it. Why on earth did it get anywhere near a court room?

 checkmark  I agree. And I want to know how this got to a courtroom in the first place.


On a side note, I have done something like this, except I did it to a student. Wrote a very immature essay about that student, but without naming anyone. The worst I got was in school suspension for one day. I took the ISS, but all I'll say that it was the most stupidest thing Ive done in school, at the same time it was hilarious!

Kids can be stupid (like I was....), adults just need to see past the humor and grow some brass balls. Kids are kids.
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Mir
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:48 pm



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 6):
IMHO 7 years is not nearly enough for the potential damages they have done to these kids long term.

Not to mention the farce they have made of the legal system. That should be worth at least 5 years on its own, before the costs of the damage to the reputations of the kids.

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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:43 pm

There are some low ways to make money (and this obviously isn't the worst) but you have to be a certain type of scumbag to jail kids to line your pockets.

I found myself astonished while reading the links.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:22 pm

I'm not very familiar with the US legal system, but if what is reported is true, then I do hope that the girl and her family receive substantial compensation for what has happened. What I read in The Times states that judges are elected. Elected by who? Can anyone elaborate on that? I thought judges would be appointed not by the government, but by the judicial system itself. That way, it reduces the likelihood of judges being influenced by members of parliament.

The family should probably have appealed in the first place. I don't know if the family ever had legal representation during the case, but after the decision was so nonchalantly handed down, they should've appealed the decision to a higher court.
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:24 pm



Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
What I read in The Times states that judges are elected. Elected by who? Can anyone elaborate on that?

By the people in their district.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
I thought judges would be appointed not by the government, but by the judicial system itself.

In the case of the US Supreme Court, they are appointed by the U.S. President.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
The family should probably have appealed in the first place. I don't know if the family ever had legal representation during the case, but

The main question is how this ever got to a court of law in the first place. Why didn't the teacher go to the principal first before bringing a lawsuit?! That is supposed to be the policy in public schools here in the U.S. Appearantly, the teacher went around that policy.
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oly720man
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RE: Judges Takes Bribes To Jail Teenagers

Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:02 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 14):
Why didn't the teacher go to the principal first before bringing a lawsuit?!

All I can think of is that because it was on Myspace then it wasn't in school or done in school time so it wasn't treated as something that the school should deal with. But, honestly, to presumably go to the police (how else would it get to court?) and complain about this is really taking things too far.
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