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Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:04 pm

To play those 25 movies that President Obama so lavishly showered on him?

http://www.bitterwallet.com/gordon-b...om-obama-75-more-than-playcom/9102

That’s right, 25 DVDs (hey, at least Obama included The Wizard of Oz).

It’s been a couple of weeks now since Brown has returned to the UK, but it appears that he ain’t ’singing in the rain’. Just the other day, Brown discovered that the DVDs were REGION 1, therefore the only words appearing on his screen were ‘WRONG REGION’.


Or will they end up in the same closet that the ill fitting bomber jacket President Bush got him is in? Seems whenever President Bush pulled a stunt like that the press was all over it for all it was worth. Guess with the change in Presidents comes a change in attitudes about poking fun at them too.

Seems like even if they don't think much of the PM they could splurge a little more than that for a gift. Just seems paltry. Maybe they could invite them to one of their Wednesday night parties as a make up?
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:16 pm



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
Seems like even if they don't think much of the PM they could splurge a little more than that for a gift. Just seems paltry. Maybe they could invite them to one of their Wednesday night parties as a make up?

Well seeing as Region 1 DVD's can be played on alot of UK DVD players by way of a hack on the remote control I dont see an issue. If not a Multi region players are also very cheap.

Bit of a non story.
 
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:51 pm

I would think a Prime Minister has a DVD player that can play DVDs from all regions. I am sure he gets DVDs sent from other countries/governments as gifts or for some other reasons, maybe for his wife/family too and he will probably want to watch them.

Which leads me to a question. How can I watch DVDs from another region than mine (Europe) on a computer without having to switch the software? I am using Dell Media and it says the Region can only be changed 4 times (or is it 5 times). What happens after that?

I have DVDs from the QE2 for example coming from the US and some coming from Europe. How do I manage this without any problems? Would Windows Media or Real Player take the DVDs without having to deal with the "Region" stuff? There has to be a solution to this...
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:07 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Would Windows Media or Real Player take the DVDs without having to deal with the "Region" stuff? There has to be a solution to this...

I'm not aware of any way to get round that but you could buy a separate DVD player for Region 2, since they're so cheap, and use the PC for Region 1. Or just but a multi-region or region-free player, which can also be pretty cheap.
 
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Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:15 pm



Quoting David L (Reply 3):
I'm not aware of any way to get round that but you could buy a separate DVD player for Region 2, since they're so cheap, and use the PC for Region 1. Or just but a multi-region or region-free player, which can also be pretty cheap.

Thank you for the idea. A friend has just sent me a bunch of DVDs about the QE2. I find this "region" thing about DVDs is a real bummer.  Angry
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:20 pm

You guys don't get the jist of this thread, do you? It's another NIK-inspired cheap shot at President Obama. As I've seen here and elsewhere, NIK won't bring up anything of substance, so he trolls around the fringes, looking for non-issues to bash the President on.

NIK, if you want to hit hte president on the economy, or his policies, that's one thing. But this constant nit-picking only hurts you, not the President.
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Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:55 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Which leads me to a question. How can I watch DVDs from another region than mine (Europe) on a computer without having to switch the software? I am using Dell Media and it says the Region can only be changed 4 times (or is it 5 times). What happens after that?

Download a program named DVD43. It makes your DVD player region free.
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Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:01 am



Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Well seeing as Region 1 DVD's can be played on alot of UK DVD players by way of a hack on the remote control I dont see an issue. If not a Multi region players are also very cheap.

Bit of a non story.

I despise this "region" crap. It is anti-competitive and should never have been allowed. If a company can outsource a call center (or production) to another country to take advantage of lower costs, then the consumer should be allowed the same advantage.

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Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:12 am

Those of you in the US might think of this as a bit of a "non story", but the UK press had a field day over it. The reporting angle here, was on the lines of "Prime minister snubbed", not just the dvd's, but the hurried press conference, and the overall lack of interest coming from the president.

The only saving grace for Obama is that it died down fairly quickly, as Gordon Brown is about as popular in the UK as George W Bush in the US.
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:55 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
The only saving grace for Obama is that it died down fairly quickly, as Gordon Brown is about as popular in the UK as George W Bush in the US.

Thank goodness our press isn't biased and didn't play up that snub! And thank goodness they aren't biased and didn't play up his joke on Leno. I'm quite sure they would have had a field day as the UK press did with PM Brown if President Bush were still in office. Remember the scandal behind some Hannukah cards that he didn't even see before they were issued. There was even a thread about them. Of course that wasn't a non-issue, it was a major faux paus to some.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...4&s=bush+christmas+cards#ID2010934

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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:56 am

Is the problem that they are Region 1 disks or that they are in NTSC AND Region 1?

As an American physicist once told me in the Never The Same Color twice system (NTSC), when they could have been in SystEme Contre les AMericains (SECAM). He did not have an explanation for PAL, any offers?

I spose I should add

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/PALvsNTSC/PALvsNTSC.asp
They're Not Really PAL or NTSC
The first thing I need to clarify about DVD is that PAL and NTSC are words and formats that are applied to DVD for convenience, and because of historical convention. There is nothing fundamental about a DVD which makes it either PAL or NTSC, but for simplicity and brevity, I will continue to use these terms throughout this article.

At their heart, DVDs are merely carriers of data files with compressed audio-visual information contained therein. This information can be placed on DVD in one of two resolutions; 720 x 576 pixels (PAL DVDs), or 720 x 480 pixels (NTSC DVDs), and with various frame rates (24, 25, and 30 frames per second are common). The DVD player itself takes this data file and formats it appropriately for display in either PAL or NTSC.
The Issue Of Resolution
In principle, PAL DVDs have a compelling advantage over NTSC DVDs. PAL DVDs have 576 pixels of vertical resolution versus 480 pixels of vertical resolution. That's a 20% increase in resolution for a PAL DVD as compared to an NTSC DVD. Increased resolution translates into a better looking image. However, this is an overly simplistic way of looking at the whole PAL vs NTSC issue as there are other factors that need to be taken into account.
Active Pixels & 16x9 Enhancement
Because programming can be presented on DVD in various aspect ratios, it is useful to consider the active pixels in a given image when considering the overall resolution of a DVD. For a widescreen image, not all of the pixels available on a DVD are actually used for the image. Some of them make up the black bars above and below the image. The format that provides the most overall active pixels for a given aspect ratio will in theory be the best possible format. Complicating the issue is the difference in active pixels when a DVD is 16x9 enhanced.

The following table illustrates the common aspect ratios presented on DVD along with the total active pixels presented in each possible DVD format. I have highlighted the best formats in green.


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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:10 pm

Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
Thank goodness our press isn't biased and didn't play up that snub! And thank goodness they aren't biased and didn't play up his joke on Leno. I'm quite sure they would have had a field day as the UK press did with PM Brown if President Bush were still in office.

That there is media bias in the U.S. mainstream media (can't speak for overseas, but I wouldn't be surprised...) is in the same cagegory as "water is wet", and the "sun rises in the east"; in other words, just plain obvious. I think it's called a double standard or something like that.   

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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:18 pm



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
Download a program named DVD43. It makes your DVD player region free.

Thanks a lot for this tip. I will certainly look into it.
It would be nice no longer have to worry about this Regions thing anymore.
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:36 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
You guys don't get the jist of this thread, do you?

I am absolutely loving this thread, actually, it's close as damn to the funniest one I've read in a while!

Despite DXing's usual cheap shot on anything that relates to Obama, everybody on here, who could not be any less interested by the Anet neocon clan's frantic and desperate efforts to pour fuel on a dying fire, decided instead to debate the DVD region system and exchange technical info...

There should be some sort of thread awards, I'd vote for this one.  rotfl 
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Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:50 pm



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
Download a program named DVD43.

I have downloaded and tried the latest version of this little piece of software and it works quite well. Thank you again for this. I would most probably never have known about it without this thread.
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:15 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 11):
As an American physicist once told me in the Never The Same Color twice system (NTSC), when they could have been in SystEme Contre les AMericains (SECAM). He did not have an explanation for PAL, any offers?

No one bothered with an alternative to the true definition of PAL, for the simple reason that it actually produced a decent picture, unlike NTSC and SECAM
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:42 am



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 16):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 11):
As an American physicist once told me in the Never The Same Color twice system (NTSC), when they could have been in SystEme Contre les AMericains (SECAM). He did not have an explanation for PAL, any offers?

No one bothered with an alternative to the true definition of PAL, for the simple reason that it actually produced a decent picture, unlike NTSC and SECAM

I agree but you still need to come up with a (German) version of superior picture, preferably while incorporating a few Hollywood cliches!

I have scratched my head about this for years and have never got past Panzer ???????

On a technical side, I have been told that in theory the NTSC (given equal line counts) should be better, but in the real world it is during transmission that PAL turns out to be superior. Any offers from the world of tech that is lurking close to the surface so often on a.net?
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:41 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
Any offers

The NTSC and PAL colour TV systems have (had) two components, luminance and chrominance. The chrominance channel needs less information as the eye seems not to care about much detail in color. Luminance is sent as a "legacy" black and white amplitude-modulated signal that all sets will respond to. The trick for the colour TV was to add the chrominance signal into a separate channel at a little used portion of the signal band, close to the sound channel (sound and video actually employed separate physical transmitters). Some degradation of the b/w signal will occur as well as "corduroy" effects because of this.

In one encoded colour channel, the three main colours are made into two signals that are encoded together but the two signals are derived differently from the main colours, and the third colour (blue) will be later reconstructed on the basis of the two and the "legacy" luminance signal. The "never the same colour twice" is due to the fact that this encoding system will by its nature be very sensitive to what is known as phase errors, and the synchronization between the studio and the receiver will never be quite perfect. (Synchronization info is derived from a separate timing signal which is present when the screen is blank between the frames, 25/30 times/sec.)

PAL reverses the phase of the colour channel signal evenly 50% of the time at each vertical scan. The phase-reversed line is fed into a delay line that will delay the signal by exactly one scan's worth or time. When the delayed and the fresh lines are later averaged together, phase error will cancel out. Nevertheless, because of this there will be some loss of horizontal colour resolution.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:59 pm



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 18):
PAL reverses the phase of the colour channel signal

Aha, I knew someone would know. Many thanks. And that sounds like the remains of a memory from 1977 when it was last explained to me!! It also explains the difference between theory and practice, just as the physicist said.

Now all we need AU is an expansion of PAL that is as appropriate as Never The Same Color twice.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:17 pm



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 18):
horizontal

Ouch, vertical was the direction.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 19):
an expansion of PAL that is as appropriate as Never The Same Color twice

I just about managed to remember than PCMCIA stands for "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms" when they changed it into something less snappy.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:22 pm



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 20):
I just about managed to remember than PCMCIA stands for "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms" when they changed it into something less snappy.

You get at least 8 out of 10 for that response. But no koala stamp until we get a good one for the PAL that is all poor old Gordy can probably cope with. Some of our DVD players state they can manage NTSC, but I have never tried to find out.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:37 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 19):
Quoting AverageUser (Reply 18):
PAL reverses the phase of the colour channel signal

Aha, I knew someone would know. Many thanks. And that sounds like the remains of a memory from 1977 when it was last explained to me!! It also explains the difference between theory and practice, just as the physicist said.

Now all we need AU is an expansion of PAL that is as appropriate as Never The Same Color twice.

Hence the true definition is Phase Alternate Line.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:57 am



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 22):
Hence the true definition is Phase Alternate Line.

Well truth is no competition for the likes of SystEme Contrr les AMericains or Never The Same Color twice. The winning entry should have Germanic overtones, or preferably be in German.

I see Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL
has the explanation of NTSC too. Surely Jan or Klaus can top the NTSC decoding???
 
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RE: Has Gordon Brown Bought A Region 1 Dvd Player Yet?

Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:14 am



Quoting Baroque (Reply 23):
Surely Jan or Klaus can top the NTSC decoding

Actually PAL is in principle the same as NTSC with the added feature (a German patent) of automatic phase correction. I might not have made it clear in the above.

In the practical implementations of PAL there has been more frequency space reserved for the signal, at the expense of the overall number of channels, so the receiving quality is slightly better, but that has nothing to with the basic system itself.

Anyways, both are quickly becoming 3rd world systems with advancing digitalisation.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:42 pm



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 24):
Actually PAL is in principle the same as NTSC with the added feature (a German patent) of automatic phase correction. I might not have made it clear in the above.

No it is more than clear - and correct. I am just hoping for an inventive and not correct but funny version of PAL.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:16 pm

Meanwhile, back to the original topic, it appears that Gordon Brown has been plotting his revenge. The Daily Telegraph reports today, that Gordon will be presenting Barack with the following gifts when he comes to the UK next week:

A tea towel, a bowl with a candle in it, a neck tie, and some chocolate.

I hope the baggage hold on Airforce 1 is big enough to take all these riches
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