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Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:31 am

I don't mean Joe is going to run in 2012 or 2016, he'll be way too old. What I mean, is, there's been this constant nagging question since the campaign as to Obama's eligibility to be president, which has not been helped by Obama's refusal to open his educational and medical records for scrutiny, as all the other candidates did. So, now that Obama is president, he and his team have been going in fast forward to pretty much get his entire agenda rolling and i can't help but wonder if there is something in the wind that Obama knows of, and maybe he knows that he may have to resign the presidency sometime in the not too distant future when the issue of his eligibility goes before the surpreme court, so, before he has to do so, he wants to make sure that his agenda is rolling and all Biden needs to do is preside over it's implementation.

I am not a tin-foil-hat wearing Alex Jones disciple, but i must say Obama is on a mission, and i'm not sure what's got so much fire under his rear end, other than think he knows something is looming in the future that could cost him his presidency.

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:40 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I am not a tin-foil-hat wearing Alex Jones disciple, but i must say Obama is on a mission, and i'm not sure what's got so much fire under his rear end, other than think he knows something is looming in the future that could cost him his presidency.

Nothing. It's the first hundred days, which is always the most fast-paced, agenda-orientated time of a presidency. It happens with ALL presidents, and I don't think there is anything extraordinary about Obama.

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency

Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:45 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I am not a tin-foil-hat wearing Alex Jones disciple

Now it's really a relief that you've said that. It would be hard to think otherwise from the rest of your post!  mischievous   hypnotized 

By the way: As far as I'm aware the Supreme Court has already vetted him as thoroughly as they deemed fit and found no reason for objections. And given its current composition I doubt that he received any favours from at least most of the judges....
 
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:48 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
maybe he knows that he may have to resign the presidency sometime in the not too distant future when the issue of his eligibility goes before the surpreme court

my God people, when will this baloney end? He published his damn birth certificate!

in any event, the Supreme Court of the United States has already made clear they are not interested in discussing that issue. They denied certiorari.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:59 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Obama knows of, and maybe he knows that he may have to resign the presidency sometime in the not too distant future when the issue of his eligibility goes before the surpreme court, so, before he has to do so, he wants to make sure that his agenda is rolling and all Biden needs to do is preside over it's implementation.

Ok I have heard about this eligibility thing numerous times and would like to know why the elections committee or the state dept would not have verified this before he was allowed to run. I assume they did and this really is a non issue except for a very loud minority, and this is really no different that people preaching that Gore won in 2000.

Provide me with more evidence to prove me wrong but I think this is a huge conspiracy.

What I think he is doing is the unpopular stuff first so people will forget about it when he comes up for re-election in 2012 improving his chances especially if things pick up drastically. Also he may feel that he has a limited time with democratic majorities so he is trying to get enough stuff through in fear that the GOP takes congress back in 2010 leading to 2 years of potential gridlock.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:15 am

I'm thinking there's a few reasons he's moving so fast:
- It's a radical agenda. The more he tries to shove down our throats the less we'll notice. He's trying to overload us.
- He has a crisis...why waste a crisis?
- He's pretty sure that he will lose at least one house in The Congress in 2010.

He is the President. Those that think he's ineligible officially entered the realm of the marginalized and foolish when the Supreme Court refused to hear the challenges.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency

Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:22 am

Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 5):
- It's a radical agenda

Yeah. He's robbing the poor private banks of their private debt they've worked so hard to build up, maliciously stopping them from falling into bankruptcy as is the right of every capitalist enterprise!

How dare he intervene!

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:05 am



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
Ok I have heard about this eligibility thing numerous times and would like to know why the elections committee or the state dept would not have verified this before he was allowed to run. I assume they did

Especially a BUSH State Dept. that made no bones (esp. the terrorist will get us if O wins mantra) how badly it wanted a McCain win.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
this is really no different that people preaching that Gore won in 2000.

HUGE difference...time to revisit history. Not even close.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
What I think he is doing is the unpopular stuff first so people will forget about it when he comes up for re-election in 2012 improving his chances especially if things pick up drastically

Now here, I think you're on to something.. given how short our memory span is these days (Palin wishes I was part f that crowd)... that strategy is a brilliant one! And it should work.


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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:25 am

BN let me clarify what I was implying when I made that statment about the 2000 election. (I can't quote the text because I am using an Ipod touch)

My point was and I feel that some of the same people that are saying that Obama wasn't US born are the sore losers of the right looking for some reason to complain.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency

Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:37 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):

My point was and I feel that some of the same people that are saying that Obama wasn't US born are the sore losers of the right looking for some reason to complain.

Okay, I get that...but reverse that argument, that was not the case of the Left in 2000. They had a legitimate reason to complain. As I said in another thread, if there was a Fred Obama who was Governor of Michigan in the 2008, and the entire US election came down to Michigan and Obama won the state by a ridiculous 525 votes, the Right would certainly have a reason to complain, but they wouldn't have stopped there. A black Governor (or if he was white from Obama's mama [lol ... always wanted to say that] helping the black Presidential candidate and the Right would have burned the country down, moved to impeach the Governor and would not quit until the Michigan count was nullified entirely .. no matter how any recount turned out. They would not have trusted the results given the Gov's biological relationship. The left in 2000...really let that one slide by comparison.

I mean the Right is simply bitching cuz Obama 'is President' ... nothing else.

Not to say I wouldn't be bitching about Bush if Florida 2000 did NOT occur. Bush was rather..the anti-intellectual and I must admit, that would have bothered me in his 1st 100 days. But nowhere as near as vicious as these guys have been on Obama.



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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:25 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I don't mean Joe is going to run in 2012 or 2016, he'll be way too old. What I mean, is, there's been this constant nagging question since the campaign as to Obama's eligibility to be president, which has not been helped by Obama's refusal to open his educational and medical records for scrutiny, as all the other candidates did.

*facepalm*

OH MY GOD.

The man produced a BIRTH CERTIFICATE and it was VERIFIED by the STATE OF HAWAI'I.

He's a natural born U.S. Citizen. That is a fact and not open to debate.

For the love of god, come off it. The man has a foreign-sounding name, nothing more.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:07 am

I remember Campbell Brown on CNN reporting on the whisper campaign that Obama is actually Muslim. Her point: so what ? The real issue for Americans is: is he honest and dependable and committed to preserving the US Constitution ?

Barry Goldwater IIRC in 1964 had a quiet campaign against his eligibility as he was born in Arizona _Territory_, not the State of Arizona. I'm not sure much came of it.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:23 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
*facepalm*

SA)">OH MY GOD.

The man produced a BIRTH CERTIFICATE and it was VERIFIED by the STATE OF HAWAI'I.

He's a natural born U.S. Citizen. That is a fact and not open to debate.

For the love of god, come off it. The man has a foreign-sounding name, nothing more.

AGREED!!!

1,000,000%

I voted for McCain.

So did the REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawai'i (Linda Lingle.....Palin's Best Governor Gal-Pal)

The SAME Republican Governor of Hawai'i who herself inspected Obama's Birth Certificate and said it was legitimate

FYI....Obama's birth was announced in Honolulu newspapers at the time of his birth.

This Obama is ineligible thing is getting VERY old, VERY fast.

He won.

Get over it.

Start organizing, putting forth coherent alternatives and prepare for 2010 and 2012.

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:52 am

Resign? Dream on, I´m convinced that he´s a two-term president in the making.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:19 am

Any offers on the next Obama is not really POTUS or is not fit to be POTUS miasma of threads? I mean if we could get it over and done with now, it would save some bandwidth. I saw him speaking to a mere Prime Minister the other day, is that suitable for a President? I mean he is head of State and said PM is not. Is this not all too demeaning?
 
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:34 am

In 1945 when VP Truman became President upon the death of FDR, little had been done to prepare him for taking power. He knew almost nothing about the nuke bomb program and little say about the proscution of WWII. That was not good. After that, VP's got more involved with day to day actions of the President. You had JFK assinated and Johnson take over with no real crises. Reagan was shot and survived, but he could have died and there was no crises. Obama is Black and realizes that there are racist nutcases out there that may try to assinate him. You have the risks of a terror attack killing him as well. Keeping Biden prepared to take power (but not talking too much to prevent his misstatements from screwing up things) is a sound policy.
 
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:05 pm



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I am not a tin-foil-hat wearing Alex Jones disciple

Could have fooled me.

Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 5):
Those that think he's ineligible officially entered the realm of the marginalized and foolish when the Supreme Court refused to hear the challenges.

 checkmark  That ship sailed a long time ago. Get over it.

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:24 pm



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I am not a tin-foil-hat wearing Alex Jones disciple

Sure about that?

As for the rest of the post, I think everything's been covered, interesting theory on your part though.
 
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:25 pm

I think A.net should just start an Obama forum at this point. It seems that there are daily threads about him (fan boys, bashers, veiled bashers amongst others) it would really make the site more navigable.

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:29 pm



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
Provide me with more evidence to prove me wrong but I think this is a huge conspiracy.

Forget about where he was born for a minute. His mother was a US citizen and he is therefore a natural born citizen - even if he was born on moon. His natural citizenship was established by the citizenship of either one of his parents.

I'm a Natural born citizen (yes, Texas is part of the US) and my wife is Australian. Both our kids were born in the US, but were registered with the Australian Embassy. Both are considered natural born citizens of both countries. Dual citizenships by birth.

They do not have to be naturalized.

(To make it even more interesting, my wife was actually born in the UK and moved to Australia when she was a small child. It's my understanding that our kids can also claim UK citizenship from a grandparent.)
 
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:37 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
my wife was actually born in the UK and moved to Australia when she was a small child. It's my understanding that our kids can also claim UK citizenship from a grandparent

That might well be so, but you probably do not need to go back that far as they can claim it from your wife presuming she does have UK citizenship. But the UK is getting a bit less open about this these days so if you need that you should enquire. In general UK citizenship is extremely useful as it gives access to the EU.

Re O'bama, who is probably Irish, how would anyone go about getting him declared ineligible at this stage. The Supreme Court is going to look a bit daft as the CJ took his oath, as I recall not once but twice. What are they expecting, that he will recuse himself on the grounds of having accepted him twice?

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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency

Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:16 pm

I don't know how people can in a such matter of the fact way really give this internet rumor that Barrack Obama was not born in the US repeat these claims, to make this theory work thousands of employees of the State of Hawaii and the City of Honolulu where Barrack Obama was born who have access to these records have to be in on a conspiracy.

And it's not some government conspiracy because Obama was not the President when these rumors started, so it has to be some kind of Democratic party scandal. Not only that but all of the employees who have access to these records would have to have some sort of threat against their lives to keep them from cashing in on the tens of Millions of Dollars media outlets like Fox News or even TMZ would pay to get proof he's not a American citizen.

In real life it's very easy to disseminate what is true and what is a lie, which is the quickest least complicated answer and which is the longest most complicated.

You can tell when a Child is lying because it takes them 10 minutes to tell a lie but a few seconds to tell the truth.

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Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:20 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
Not only that but all of the employees who have access to these records would have to have some sort of threat against their lives to keep them from cashing in on the tens of Millions of Dollars media outlets like Fox News or even TMZ would pay to get proof he's not a American citizen.

I don't think that their is any doubt that he is a legitimate citizen of the US but the tin foil hat people believe that he was born outside of the US and that the state of Hawaii issued his birth certificate after the fact.
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RE: Is Obama Paving The Way For A Biden Presidency?

Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:31 pm



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 22):
I don't think that their is any doubt that he is a legitimate citizen of the US but the tin foil hat people believe that he was born outside of the US and that the state of Hawaii issued his birth certificate after the fact.

Did they also go back and republish the newspapers so the announcement of his birth could be included "after the fact."

Give me a break.

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Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:41 pm



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 23):
Did they also go back and republish the newspapers so the announcement of his birth could be included "after the fact."

You never know these conspiracy people believe some crazy stuff and someone I bet has an argument to that.  stirthepot 
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Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:55 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):
Obama is Black

Actually he is half white.
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